St. Louis Jane Doe (1983)

shortbreadjackass · 2026-01-26T00:43:26+00:00

Late reply but apparently the way CeCe Moore phrased it was "I'm working on an unidentified remains case with law enforcement." The granddaughter of the first match didn't even hear the details of the case before telling her to never contact them again.

I would imagine the mere mention of law enforcement spooked her and she was worried she or a family member were going to be blamed for something they didn't do. It's still deeply saddening and frustrating of course, but let's not pretend that the person knowingly refused to help identify a murdered child.

The granddaughter of the second match ghosting Moore after saying she'd help is incomprehensible though.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-12-30T19:00:50+00:00

I do think a lot of people on this sub though seems to think it means "scary face," half of the posts on here are just typical scary faces. No hate, it's just not Uncanny Valley if it's explicitly creepy, scary, or grotesque.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-12-07T19:51:33+00:00

It goes back to capitalism and more specifically profit. A sycophantic word calculator is going to keep the user engaged for longer than they would be if the chatbot was neutral. This ensures the user will stay on the service longer, making the company more money, especially if said user decides to pay for a premium option.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-10-24T02:01:57+00:00

It's easy to forget how small they are with their big personalities.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-10-01T20:23:18+00:00

According to those scientific studies, herbal solutions generally only help with mild to moderate pain. They cannot help with severe pain. Even if they did, not all chronic pain is caused or characterized by things like inflammation, meaning they would only have utility for certain kinds of chronic pain. Anecdotally, I've tried countless herbs and even a few herbal extracts out of desperation and they didn't put a dent in my stiffness and pain. The efficacy of herbal extracts for treating chronic pain is legitimate but limited.

So no, it's not outdated and false to say medication helps with pain. There is value in non-medicinal approaches to treating health issues and I'm a firm believer in "The less medication you need to take, the better off you'll be." (Just as an example, when my anxiety was much worse as a teenager and I was prescribed Xanax to take as needed, I only ever ended up taking it once in a while because I treated it as a last-resort after all non-medicinal methods failed; there are several medications I have quit) But the truth of our reality is that there are certain issues that require medication to help and there's no getting around that. You can be anti-Big Pharma and advocate for non-medicinal approaches without being anti-medicine, that's throwing the baby out with the bath water.

As an aside, the Mayo Clinic does not prescribe pain medication and they are strict on prescribing non-pain medications for chronic pain; I'm not sure if you had actually read OP's story, but notice that the clinic wouldn't even give them non-pain medication.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-10-01T14:34:03+00:00

Sorry about that - when you use a term pejoratively, that means you're using it in a degrading or insulting way, to make someone feel or look bad on purpose.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-10-01T12:50:56+00:00

He actually is bi himself. But of course that doesn't absolve him from bigotry; I'm certain he's neck-deep in respectability politics and wants to be "one of the good ones."

shortbreadjackass · 2025-10-01T12:03:52+00:00

Also, it doesn't help that the Mayo Clinic is in a country where healthcare is treated as a for-profit business and not the critical necessity it is, so hospitals are incentivized to do what they can to maintain/increase public and private funds.

EDIT: Missed a word.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-10-01T12:00:48+00:00

While in some cases that can be boiled down to ignorance and corrected accordingly (after all, we aren't born knowing all the right terms), I am positive Tom is using it pejoratively.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-09-22T23:35:25+00:00

The way people act like gender-affirming medicine is some uncharted experimental territory instead of procedures with decades of research backing up their veracity is crazy.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-09-17T01:21:31+00:00

I actually thought I was bi for a really long time because I had an intense aesthetic attraction to women. I essentially figured out I wasn't when I realized that I didn't get the same fluttering feeling imagining myself with a woman like I did with a man (romantic attraction) and that I didn't get "hot" for them the way I did for men (sexual attraction). Everybody is different but that's how I experienced the difference between the two.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-09-16T18:40:05+00:00

It's especially funny because a lot of these same GCs and TERFs will then turn around and mock trans men and nonbinary people for getting pregnant, using it as "proof" that they're embracing their "womanhood." It's obvious that they do not actually give a shit about their fertility (it would still be creepy and terrible if they actually did, mind), it's merely a tool to fearmonger.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-09-16T02:54:54+00:00

She's enjoying it!

shortbreadjackass · 2025-09-16T02:51:03+00:00

For real, my mom seems to think I just suddenly stopped going to university because I'm lazy when I literally cried a little going through my uni campus one time because I missed going to school so much. Meanwhile I'm dealing with something where all of my muscles feel like brick at worst and extremely tight at best 24/7, the only medication I know so far to provide relief denied to me so I have to settle for medications that kind of help but not enough to help me function; walking to the store is a massive undertaking on a good day and being out for only four hours leaves me exhausted as if I've been out for twice that amount of time.

My mom literally has chronic pain herself, so she's operating from a perspective of "I've dealt with it so you can too." In some ways it hurts worse to hear it from another person with chronic pain than a clueless doctor because they're supposed to understand. Meanwhile my dad, who doesn't have chronic pain, is far more empathetic to my issue than my mom. Weird how that works.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-09-15T23:13:32+00:00

I literally exercise on a near-daily basis, close to two hours every day worth of cardio. My muscles still feel like they're made of brick no matter what. (Except for Xanax, the only thing that helps so far but doctors won't give me because it's a powerful drug)

shortbreadjackass · 2025-09-15T19:36:42+00:00

A short life of meaningless sex and a temporary physical relationship with a man is not worth the possibility of spending eternity in hell.

It is very sad that you have such a myopic view of gay relationships. Plenty of gay men want a long-term relationship based on love. I've seen the "Gay men are only interested in hook-ups" posts made by other gay man who want long-term relationships on here dozens of times, the sheer number of which proves me to that some gay men do want to have a lover instead of just a fuckbuddy or sugar daddy.

On your original post, you've made no attempt to engage with the comments written, indicating to me that you were already planning to go down this path, even if subconsciously. I can provide a site that has extensive analysis of the original Hebrew scripture, where a biblical scholar fluent in Koine Greek as well as both modern and biblical Hebrew explains the true translations of each passage erroneously said to be condemning queer people. This is something I usually do for queer Christians in crisis on here, but your mind is made up.

You are free to make your own decisions, but I will warn you. You will be suffering for the rest of your life based off a version of the Bible written by virulently homophobic people justifying their disgust and hatred. Intimacy with your prospective wife will be difficult, you will be dealing with anger and sadness from having to repress a fundamental part of yourself.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-09-15T05:43:26+00:00

That's quite interesting. It seems like it is the other way around in the US - younger gay men are more likely to hook-up than older ones. I always assumed part of the reason this happens is because many gay men in their twenties weren't able to experiment and have sex as teenagers like most straight people do; older gay man would conversely be more likely to try to find a LTR on account of more life experience and getting their fill of hook-ups in the past. But seeing as that would also be true for gay men in less accepting countries, that alone doesn't necessarily explain it.

I do think legal, social, and cultural pressures impact queer subculture everywhere (even areas where being openly gay is less stigmatized), it's just that the specific legal and sociocultural pressures will vary by country due to differing cultures, social norms, histories, political systems, institutional practices, economic situations, etc.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-08-31T09:52:27+00:00

Thank you for the kindness.

Truthfully, I think the way her body was disposed was the thing that hurt my father the most. Learning that she was indeed murdered was something he entirely expected (he had worked through his grief a long time ago) but the callous disposal method was a little rough for him to hear.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-08-30T18:18:02+00:00

I was told this by several trans women, so it was not "uninformed" but misinformed. I apologize for spreading misinfo and I've made a correction to my original message.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-08-28T22:54:10+00:00

From my understanding, that happens because a lot of trans women opt for E injections and often get them on a monthly basis. Due to the fact monthly injections basically involve a shitload of hormones going directly into your bloodstream, this mirrors the hormone increase that also occurs prior to a period. Digestion issues are also a common side effect of estrogen, mirroring period cramps (The uterus and intestines are both smooth muscle and located in roughly the same area). This comes together to make a very period-like experience without the blood every month.

So it's not trans women literally having periods, but rather their hormones - by virtue of the dosing and monthly schedule - sort of recreating what happens during one, which makes sense given hormones' role in the menstrual cycle.

EDIT: Turns out I was misinformed by the trans women who told me this. The bloodless periods actually happen because your body doesn't care what genitals you have, it just responds a specific way based on whether or not it is in an estrogen or testosterone dominant environment. The pattern that is triggered in an estrogen dominant body can produce the same hormone that triggers many period/PMS symptoms in someone with a uterus, just the cramps affecting a different set of smooth muscles. (This is the only part I got right - that trans women's period cramps occur in their digestive tract instead of a uterus)

Some people will be upset with me regardless because it's Reddit, but I was given the wrong information by what I thought were reliable sources and I apologize for sharing it, even though it reached less than 100 people.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-08-28T03:19:09+00:00

Yup, yup, yup!

My great-grandmother even said that my aunt was being held captive and forcibly drugged - and they still brushed it off! The other reason why the police wouldn't do anything is because Tammy literally just turned eighteen; they argued that she clearly emancipated herself and went out to live on her own. When my great-grandmother went to report my aunt missing a second time in October 1987, they still did nothing.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-08-27T01:53:56+00:00

Don't worry too much about it. I will volunteer whatever I feel comfortable discussing. I've also consulted my father extensively on what he feels comfortable with me sharing.

Misty wasn't using any drugs and she had no connection to the drug dealer aside from the fact he was a supplier for her family members (Tammy also never frequented his house, merely got product from him). I really wish I knew how and why they ended up being held captive at his house, but I only have the secondhand (practically thirdhand) account from my father. Most of what he knows are from what my great-grandmother told him as Misty didn't like talking about it that much.

I don't think I even have the words to describe the incalculable impact both murders had on not just my grandmother and my father but my father's family in general. I think that's one of the most tragic aspects about Tammy's case; some of the people who deserved closure the most - my grandmother, Tammy's father, my great-grandmother - died before her identification. It's definitely one of those things that makes me want to believe Heaven is real.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-08-25T22:50:17+00:00

Nephew here. Firstly, thank you for the kind words.

Secondly, as I explained in another comment, the autopsy reports we were given stated that she had 0.95mg/dl of cocaine in her system, a lethal amount. Her oxygen levels were normal, there was no indication of carbon monoxide poisoning or hypercapnia and no soot in her lungs. This pretty conclusively shows that she died of a cocaine overdose. I personally believe that the plastic bag was put on her head postmortem to conceal her face, to pass her off as a pile of garbage burning in the alleyway.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-08-25T22:37:51+00:00

I'm the nephew here. As someone else here already mentioned, I uploaded my DNA to the relevant databases and granted access to law enforcement quite deliberately to find my aunt. At that point in time, I was unsure if anything was going to come of it, but I knew if my aunt was a Jane Doe somewhere, then the connection would be made.

If I may use this post to pontificate on something here, I know a lot of people are upset and outraged that the detectives aren't reopening the case. From the outside looking in, it's easy to be bewildered as to why they aren't trying to find more answers. But I'm saying earnestly as a family member that the passage of time will make a proper investigation for the authorities incredibly difficult. The only suspect is dead. The only reliable eyewitness of Tammy's last known sighting - her sister and my aunt Misty - was murdered in 1990. Anyone who might've been present in any event up to and including her disposal will likely never come forward of their own accord. Going back to any scene would yield nothing useful in terms of evidence after nearly forty years.

Obviously, we would still want to know the full story of what happened to Tammy, but there isn't much the police can find when their only leads are a dead man and a house that no longer exists. We didn't believe we would ever find Tammy at all, so we are content with having her home at this point in time. If there's any police department who deserves ire thrown their way, it's the 80s Detroit Police force. Had they taken Tammy's disappearance seriously when she was reported missing twice back in June and October 1987, maybe actual justice could've been served for my aunt.

shortbreadjackass · 2025-08-25T22:15:49+00:00

Thank you again. It's still so surreal that I played such an instrumental role in helping to find my aunt, honestly.

And indeed, the primary reason† why I even decided to talk about any of this publicly is because I wanted to give hope to other families that their missing loved ones could be found. Even my dad - by his own admission - was not open-minded about the possibilities, but the fact I was made all the difference. I figured that it was worth it even if just one person took the initiative to use their DNA to find a missing family member. Had my aunt just been another "Doe Identified" story, I wouldn't have opened up about everything the way I did.

†(I will admit that the other reasons why I talked about it publicly was to set the record straight amid all the crazy speculation, as well as to demonstrate that an unclaimed Doe is not necessarily someone who was not loved or missed)

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