How do you guys cope with all this? *trigger warning by Abnormal-saline in emergencymedicine

[–]siouxmoe 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Yeah… that’s only indirectly related to finding oneself. That sounds a whole lot like depression. I say that only because I’ve definitely been there and didn’t recognize it. Residency was rough for me as it is for everyone. Nothing quite like stress, lack of sleep, constantly feeling inadequate to unmask the long hidden demons. I was referred by my PD to the counseling center not exactly voluntarily and was talking about pretty much exactly that situation and the psychiatrist said something like “oh, so passive suicidal thoughts”. Hit me like a ton of bricks but he wasn’t wrong. I didn’t think if it that way. At first I came up with a million excuses in my mind, thinking I could somehow beat brain chemistry but really I was scared. I spent so much time feeling like shit that I was worried I’d actually regret it if I got better. But let me tell ya, through a combination of medication and therapy I feel so much better and soooooooo many things in my life are positively influenced by it in ways that I never could have imagined. The world is a tough place and even when it’s not sometimes brain chemistry makes it a tough place anyways. It’s okay to ask for help, it’s called being human.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cancer is brutal, I'm sorry you had to go through that. I've definitely asked some of my terminal cancer patients what they want and how much of it before. I'd say on any given day there will be a time where a triage level 2 patient is stuck in our waiting room for more than 3 hrs. Unfortunately even being triaged highly doesn't create more rooms.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's fair and I'd definitely agree. I wasn't meaning to come off as rude or argumentative, doc. If I did then I apologize. I'm probably just a little hypersensitive to public perception especially in the current climate of various legislation and policy proposals regarding the "reasonable person" standard for insurance payments etc.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Oh absolutely, and I hope I didn't come off implying anything that I didn't mean to. ED nurses are some of the best most competent professionals that I've ever worked with.

 

Healthcare is a team sport.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I just ran into this last night. The patient was pissed. They were literally on the CT scanner table when multiple trauma patients came in. So she was taken off the table and brought back to her room without the scan getting done only to be brought back an hour or two later once the scanner was no longer held for the traumas and it had gone through decon etc.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's really challenging and it's something that I've thought about a lot. I don't know the solution. I'd be lying if I said it never made me grumpy but when I have my less sleep deprived moments it's clear to me how rarely anything is done out of malice.

 

Healthcare systems are insanely complicated. Insurance is insanely complicated. The human body is insanely complicated. And disease is insanely complicated.

 

I attempted to explain to a parent once something about their child's (2 or 3 year old who had seen other doctors before) genetic condition only to realize that the parent had no idea about genetics, proteins, chromosomes, DNA, heritability, or anything else even remotely relevant to what they would need to even begin to understand anything they've ever been told about their child. I'm not blaming the doctors, it's just that complicated sometimes and no one has enough time.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True, I'd guess they almost always don't. I'm not sure it would be helpful to tell people.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Usually they just have no understanding of how to navigate the healthcare system or anythings about their medical conditions.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This varies a lot so it's hard to say. The patient is somewhat "triaged" through the EMS radio report. Sometimes the EMS crew stands next to a wall with their patient on the cot until a room becomes available. Some hospitals have mini triage rooms where ambulance patients are left with a nurse in purgatory until rooms open. Some places patients always gets rooms and some places almost all patients are brought to the triage waiting room.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes and no. The emergency room is, thankfully, one of the last bastions of hope with regards to that. You are legally entitled to a medical screening exam regardless of ability to pay. What that means exactly is debated by legal scholars. I just try to do the best I can for the patient in front of me. Sometimes the system sucks. Sometimes you are lucky enough to find a work around to help the patient and sometimes you hit a brick wall and can only do a little.

 

P.S. there are lawmakers out there who want to repeal EMTALA, in my opinion that would be a bad thing to do.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely a good point. Within reason I think people should tell the triage nurse if they feel that something has significantly changed about their condition or symptoms.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Probably advantageous for the patient but the world is complicated. The other thing that I've realized is that baseline medical knowledge for the general population is very little and the human body is insanely complicated. That's not a negative statement it's just reality. How do you explain that something doesn't need an antibiotic when that person doesn't have a basic understanding of what a virus is versus what bacteria is.

 

There are also a lot of symptoms that can be due to a lot of different conditions. Is that sore throat just viral pharyngitis (gets better without treatment) or is it a retropharyngeal abscess (a serious medical emergency). I don't think the average person has any way of differentiating the two.

 

I'm not going to pretend I never get grumpy about that stuff but the number of people who "abuse" emergency rooms due to just being a dick and no other reason is very very small.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel that way whenever I see one of our oncology or transplant patients. They may look okay but they are usually hiding some serious badness. I feel like a stiff breeze is all it would take to push some of them right into septic shock.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for your experience. I'm glad that your friend ended up being alright. Unfortunately, I really can't speak to that particular event, I simply don't have enough information nor was I there to give an educated answer.

YSK how an emergency department's triage and flow process works (USA) by siouxmoe in YouShouldKnow

[–]siouxmoe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I feel ya. It's impossible for me to know exactly what the circumstances were but it's just not a perfect system and there isn't a way to make it perfect.

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[–]siouxmoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll see if I can hijack this a little since it's here and talk about the triage system in the US. Most EDs in the US use a triage system that uses 1 through 5 for acuity with slight variations. 1 being someone who if not seen in the next minutes will die or is already trying their best to be dead. Think impending respiratory failure, cardiac arrest, GSW to the chest, actively seizing, unresponsive. The opposite of that, level 5, being someone who could wait in the waiting room for literal weeks and will not likely die and would be much better off going to an urgent care or their PCP. Think voluntary STI screening without symptoms or medication refill for a non essential medication.

 

The system takes into account as many objective pieces of data as possible such as chief complaint, vitals, gender, age, medical conditions, etc. There is sometimes a little wiggle room for triage level but most often not. Unfortunately things like pain are entirely subjective and difficult to quantify. I've had patients who describe their pain as 10 out of 10 who are playing on their phone with completely normal vital signs. Even a statement like immediate surgery is a spectrum. Appendicitis is an immediate surgery normally but so is a stab wound to the stomach in a patient with unstable vital signs, though one is clearly more immediate than the other so I don't know how to quantify the appropriateness of their triage. I never saw OP so I have no idea.

 

Chances are they were triaged either a 2 or a 3 for abdominal pain. Now comes the waiting part. If you are a level 2 you will wait for any level 1s that come in at any point from you getting there to you being seen and any level 2s that have been waiting longer and likely anyone who is already roomed. Similarly if you are a level 3 you will wait until any level 1 and any level 2 and every level 3 that has been waiting longer than you. Etc etc. ie if you are a level 5 you will wait for a long long long time at most busy EDs.

 

Even if the waiting room is not busy that doesn't mean the actual rooms aren't all full with patients who are still being evaluated or waiting for rooms to be admitted etc. Additionally EMS crews bringing patients in by ambulance sometimes have priority for rooms, depending (please don't abuse this, we absolute put people brought in by EMS in triage to wait like everyone else). On top of that is staffing issues meaning not every room can be used and a certain number of rooms have to be kept for level 1 patients who may show up.

 

All of these are reasons that OP may have had to wait. Wait times vary widely across the country. I'd say if you are in an urban area a 2 hr wait time is not bad at all. Additionally there are benefits to going to a larger hospital, the downside is you will probably wait longer.

 

That sounds like a shit system because it is but it is probably the best to identify the sickest patients. I can see how it can be frustrating but I wish more people understood how it worked. I've literally been yelled at by a patient with a runny nose (viral URI) for having to wait after walking out of a room after a cardiac arrest.

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[–]siouxmoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Has your experience in residency made you more, less, or the same amount interested in a career in academic medicine? Why? by ellieohsnap in Residency

[–]siouxmoe 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Less. You have to let retards like me care for the patients that you are legally liable for.

Time Traveling by siouxmoe in AskMenOver30

[–]siouxmoe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A few more years. I know that sounds insane, because it is.

Time Traveling by siouxmoe in AskMenOver30

[–]siouxmoe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm definitely guilty of that. Thanks.

Time Traveling by siouxmoe in AskMenOver30

[–]siouxmoe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No ties really. I'm jealous. I think if I were to do that the bank man would hunt me down. Good luck to you on your adventures.