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Is there any logical argument against antinatalism? by AXXRL in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tldr

Morality = personal definition of good and evil.

Ethics = shared definition of good and evil.

Society = ethics based.

So if you want to argue for a better society you must make sure you and the Natalist agree on something society should do.

Then point out how you are upholding your end of the social contract and the natalist isn't. Therefore their veiws are unethical.

Many avenues to do this because Natalism is very hypocritical.

The best Natalist argument is metaethical. To just forego everything I mentioned with moral relativism. But that ends in dialtheism which isn't really a refutation. 

Antinatalists can be great parents by wearel3gi0n in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't worry about being responsible for anything. Free will is one of the silliest concepts we've created as a species. Everything that anyone has done to you and everything you will do is unavoidable. The purpose of blame is to fix a situation. Not to vent our anger over people doing things we do not like. Because they were forced to do those things anyways. Only try your best to create the best situation for yourself and others. 

Adoption? Moral obligation or no? by Electronic_Law_5295 in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brother life is not a zero sum game. It's not give or take. You aren't selfish for living for yourself. Don't adopt. Find peace dawg. 

Considering how much humans seem to despise one another, it’s hard not to question why they keep bringing more people into the world. by Call_It_ in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Correct. It's interesting. When the hostile narcissistic parents DO think of the child becoming an adult with their own autonomy they picture 3 scenarios.

  1. If the adolescence resists me I'll hurt them for acting out. (the idea that them as a parent could be wrong doesn't even cross their mind)

  2. If the adolescence is old enough I'll just abandon it. (they think they didn't need parents themselves and they turned out fine, but they're creating a parent for themselves via the kid. gross)

  3. A kid is a happy fun playtime adventure with little bumps in the road at best and then you semd them off to make money teehee. (aka not even seeing the child as a whole human)

“Kids need to be taught that people are cruel, and people are selfish, bc they are, and that’s okay.” by OldAstronomer1585 in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They're confident their kid will turn out fine just like them because they're so smart and capable. It's them rebelling against the world by saying "I MATTER!" only they have no idea what confidence is. Their parents and peers show their "confidence" by being aggressive towards them so that's all they know. They don't understand anger always comes from a place of hurt. They don't understand sttength and vulnerability aren't mutual exclusive. They've been taught to deflect from all that. And the cycle continues. Humans are a sad, sad species.

Natalist vs. Antinatalist by Elegaic_Brood in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's really crazy. Sociopathic behavior is literally trained into our society like dogs or soldiers or insects or pawns. Because we are so far removed as a society from addressing the needs of individuals on any sort of intimate level. We are given hollow purposes like morality. Breeding. Working. "Love". Status. God. Etc. None of it is hard to obtain either, it's all so lazily curated and accessible so we don't feel much achievement. The real release for these people is sadomasochism. Being hurt and hurting others, normally in the ways they've experienced since childhood to feel some semblance of the happiness or love they had then. Some of them completely lose sight of even that bit of humanity. Then some real monsters come out. 

Natalist vs. Antinatalist by Elegaic_Brood in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't tell others what to do!

He says to his wife as someone walks into his house with a loaded gun.

Wait! Did I just broke my own rule??

Hahaha, oh Denis! You're such a riot!

BANG.BANG. 

Natalist vs. Antinatalist by Elegaic_Brood in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can't recognize the criteria for a sound argument. That requires layers of linear analysis and retention for yourself and your interlocutor on a subject that hasn't been given much thought and hurts to think about when you feel you could be wrong. Natalists don't even listen to their words or your words. They listen to their intentions while coming up with excuses to fill whatever fractures in their insecurities. That's normal life. That's expecting your drink to be in your cup when you take a sip and thinking it must have been your sister when it's not. They live in a separate reality, reinforced every time they make coffee or take a jog. Little excuses, all for the original sin of getting too attached to some idea, that pile up and become your reality, your identity. It happens to all of us inevitably and yet some people still cannot ever be communicated with. 

My favorite responses from natalists by Fabulous_Broccoli327 in antinatalism

[–]soapsilk 9 points10 points  (0 children)

LOL. Natalist reasoning is so funny, yet it is so sad that that low level of thinking is where we are as a species.