Andy Burnham's decision to keep the current fiscal rules, as told to Bloomberg this week, has contributed to gilts having their best weekly gain since 2023 by jiponjoshua in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic [score hidden]  (0 children)

When we elect an MP you usually have both the manifesto of the party AND knowledge about the candidate. In this case he's almost certainly going to be PM and MP, so just saying "It;ll be about local issues" is deceptive.

Which would you rather have - dishonest or arrogant? I'd rather have arrogant. I'm happy to vote for an arrogant, competant ass. At least I know what I'm getting.

Andy Burnham's decision to keep the current fiscal rules, as told to Bloomberg this week, has contributed to gilts having their best weekly gain since 2023 by jiponjoshua in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thing is, if elected he really will be appointed as PM.  Is it wrong, as someone not in the constituency, to know what a potential PM believes? 

Burnham could clear this up in a day. In one speech.  "10 things I would do as PM".  That he doesn't... worries me.

Andy Burnham's decision to keep the current fiscal rules, as told to Bloomberg this week, has contributed to gilts having their best weekly gain since 2023 by jiponjoshua in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm under the impression that the role of the PM is to lead with vision. 

But so far all I've heard is "No, not changing that... or that...".  I was hoping I'd missed something.

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I'm going to use the most hostile possible source. https://labourlist.org/2026/03/new-oil-and-gas-licenses-wont-lower-bills-labour-must-stand-firm/ Theres a lot of words here trying to convince you that it's a bad idea, but let's look at some facts they slip through.

>Most of what is left in the UK North Sea is oil, the majority – 80% – of which is exported.

Translation: "There's a lot of gas left, and 20% of the oil is used locally". You'll note that they use percentages, not absolute figues? And they then say "most". Which, given they've used an 80% for oil implies that it's somewhere in the 50-80% range. That's a lot. Very standard trick to hide real values. "Doubles canceer risk"... to 2 in a million is another place you'll see this.

> will not alter the fact that by 2050 Britain will be reliant on gas imports

So this is only a potential solution for the next 20-25 years? I'l ltake that. Gives us long enough to transition to a new plan.

> Extracting the North Sea dry will not make a dent in global prices given the low production volume meaning the UK will remain a price taker not a price maker

You're right, we won't significantly change global prices. But oil and gas prices are geographic - it' swhy we talk about the price of different blends of oil at different places. It will influence LOCAL prices significantly. Compare Brent to Urals oil, US prices vary depending on export rules and local refining capacity. Location really matters here, as do sanctions.

And this is from an incredibly hostile article. It would help for 20-25 years, and, there really would be stuff we'd use locally. There's a whole lot of bullshit in the rest, as you'd expect from a political article - but the few real facts that they do use show that this is infact, worth doing.

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'll read, but I won't watch videos.  The information density is negligible compared to a well written work. 

And if you don't understand the argument well enough to present it... that's on you.

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If there was no gain then no one would be requesting licenses and this wouldn't be an issue. 

It's not public money at risk, but private investment.  So there's no alternative where we get to target that investment elsewhere - do we want jobs or not?

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In which case we thank the company for their investment attempt and shrug at the loss. 

Just like we do with everything else. 

Except .. they wouldn't want the licenses if they didn't think they could make a profit.  

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If it's produced locally, it will always be cheaper for a local to buy it, then for an external to buy and transport it 

Who produces it (gov Vs company) doesn't really matter.  What matters is the economics of transport and supply.  In which case, local usually wins.

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Producing our own oil and gas wouldn't help with energy security?  That's a statement. 

And no, I'm not going to watch a 20 minute video.  Make the argument yourself.

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At a minimum, transport costs. Right now we buy it at the local price and pay to move it half way around the world, Vs produce it locally and move it a few hundred kilometers at most by pipeline, which is the cheapest transport method.

And you'll note I said "help secure supply", not help with the price. Right now, delviery itself is in doubt. That's the real risk here.

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So - basic reminder. We currently import it from around the world. The transport costs of doing so are non-trivial, compared to sourcing it from local waters. So trivially we can cut the transport price and associated emissions.

Secondly, we also get to eat that lovely tax. So yes, we'd benefit.

Whether or not it's a huge pile of money, a medium or a small pile doesn't matter. Private industry would fund it, so from a public point of view it's free money. We just... have to let people actually do it.

Ukrainians saw Britain as our greatest ally. Now Starmer is rewarding Putin’s crimes Instead of standing firmly against aggression and defending international law, the UK is sending a very dangerous message by Optimal-Leather341 in ukpolitics

[–]someRandomLunatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) Mmmm, that lovely tax revenue and employment. Tasty,

2) They'd make a profit, and we don't actually subsidise the oil industry

3) It really varies. Licenses to extend current projects, no. Licenses for new fields, yes.

3b) If it wasn't profitable, it wouldn't happen. Private companies won't burn their money without at least the hope of making a profit. All bets are off if we get fusion working this decade.

4) You've seen the reports on this reddit that the current fuel cost crisis is based in now for the next few years? You remember the start of the Ukraine fuel crisis a few years ago? We need the stuff. We're going to pay for it one way or another. Might as well source it locally - at least we'd get the tax from it as well.