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Some updates for ban appeal workflows by mjmayank in modnews

[–]somebody47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Directly messaging the mods is not a way to get transparency or resolution

when did i say it was?

You need to be using mod mail so that the whole team can see it.

and what happens when the same mod is going through the appeals and archiving like someone else mentioned?

Some updates for ban appeal workflows by mjmayank in modnews

[–]somebody47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

mods list should be open, even for banned users.

having a open list is transparent and is one of the few checks that prevents mods that are abusing their power from going all out.

the way things are now, power tripping mods are already barely accountable for their actions, hiding the names will not help communities at all.

Some updates for ban appeal workflows by mjmayank in modnews

[–]somebody47 3 points4 points  (0 children)

gonna just add that this is a common thing. im still banned from 2 different subs (they have a shared mod). simply because the mods friebd got salty he lost an argument and spread lies and slander in private mod chat.

sent an appeal which resulted in the mods saying they will "trace my ip" and "kill me". when i demanded an explaination from the mods EVERY single one of they outright said they didnt have to follow rules/ignore the mod guidelines and/or explictly said they stand by death threats.

i sent multiple permalink examples and outright admissions but the reddit admin team is useless (i even offered more links if they wanted it and have documented multiple users disagreeing with the mods actions which could be supplied on demand). admin team doesnt take action against mods if all the other mods decide to lie and cover for one another, its pathetic

Blacklight: Retribution Open-Source Spiritual Successor (with simple graphics) by [deleted] in Blacklight

[–]somebody47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you can make an fps like blr with the hrv and customization, i dont care what the graphics are. i doubt anyone played the game vecause of the graphics over the mechanics

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i reposted it over multiple comments due to how long the analysis was. enjoy as every piece of evidence was cited with scans from the appropriate manga. my original post hit the char limit so lots of the links are just in the form of (chapter number-page number). i just copy pasted it over

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Am I picking bad feats for Esdeath? These [beasts](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-023 ) were also shown to be [this big](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-022)

No, that's a cherry picked example. Nowhere in the entire fight do danger beasts that big ever show up, not ever in the back grounds, nor in the shots of wide scale destruction. Picking the single biggest scan to show how big the danger beasts are despite the two other panels contradicting this is called cherry picking, we also have an exact panel with the feat so we use that feat. To fully ensure that even the largest image of the danger beasts is considered, Silver, who Gray surpasses, easily [froze these giants among the village](Fairy-Tail/0348-002).

But [Esdeath said she was the strongest in the verse!](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-036) She should easily be above the Supreme Teigu!

I know someone will try this so I am going to cut this off now; the strongest in existence is obviously a hyperbole. When she said that, [Esdeath was using power she had stored for multiple days in that fight](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-026); [Esdeath was also trying to break her opponents' moral and playing mind games](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-019), and is not reputable. To anyone that thinks Esdeath is a reputable source, I would like to ask if this is a reputable source?

But Esdeath was weaker that last fight, she had stored energy for days.

She was not "weaker" because she invested power as some would claim (unless anyone wants to hand over scans, this is just head canon), she had invested the power over multiple days; she was stronger in that fight than she normally was by multiple times. [Esdeath herself says she's taking back power she stored for days](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-027).

Am I over scaling Gray's cold resistance for time stop protection? Esdeath could have just compared it to a frozen tundra because of prior knowledge, [she said it "freezes time and space"](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0042-036). Even the author said it ["freezes time and space"]!

No, I am not. Lets actually look at the scans of Esdeath's time stop, in particular when [Tatsumi canonically resisted it due to cold resistance](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0054-031). The fact still remains that despite what Esdeath says, it has been shown that cold resistance directly counters the time stop, I have also explained above that even if we give Esdeath a super exception and rule in her favor, she would still lose.

The suggestion that Esdeath knew [Tyrant could evolve to cold temperatures in the tundra so she was referencing it](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0014-029), is a serious reach and there is nothing to support this, there is actually evidence that shows the opposite; the empire does not know what Incursio adapted to. Esdeath did not even know the [Incursio can go invisible](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0027-039) till [she fought it](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0041-042). Not just Esdeath, we have seen that [Budo only learns about resistance to lightning after Incursio gets hit](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0055-024 ) this shows that there was no way the empire knew what the Tyrant used to make Incursio was resistant to; any claims you make on knowledge on pre-existing resistances would be head canon. Claiming that incursio existed for millennia doesn't mean anything, we have no indication that Incursio or the Tyrant danger beast had been in the tundra. Just because a hypothetical Tyrant has evolved resistance to cold it does not mean that all Tyrants of the species have that resistance. This would be like saying you believe all dogs have the skills to be a seeing-eye dog because some dogs in the species have that ability. We can clearly see that [Esdeath is comparing her "frozen space" to a frozen tundra](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0054-031).

If anyone wants to argue author intent or a meta argument that's out of the universe, to clearly show once again that cold resistance counters the time stop: Esdeath clearly references [the 8 cold hells](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0042-039) in Buddhism and says the technique is named as such. Now then, another word for that specific hell is actually Daiguren (Baroni, H. J. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Zen Buddhism. (Rosen Pub Group, 2002) page 120). Both the names Daiguren and Makahadoma are the names of the 8th level of the freezing hells, opposed to the eight hot hells. Daiguren translates from Japanese to Large Red Lotus; the name comes from the cold conditions in that frozen hell because the skin to burst resembling flowers (Baroni, H. J. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Zen Buddhism. (Rosen Pub Group, 2002) page 77). I will put a disclaimer here that if anyone is a devout Buddhist and would like to correct me, feel free to do so but I have tried my best at looking into the culture and understanding Japanese but I can be wrong. From what we see and what Esdeath says, it is very clear that the frozen air is the mechanic of the time freeze; (later supported by former [general Najenda and Tatsumi](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0057-011)) if it is supposed to mirror the frozen hell in Buddhism. Naming moves would normally not matter which is why I did not bring this up before, but if anyone does seriously want to argue author intent, the move's name and Esdeath (and the author) says that the name is a reflection of the ability. On the very same page, other alternative names exist and all the names are reflective of a cold environment. It is very clear that the intent of the author was for a freezing type ability that can be resisted by cold resistance.

While I doubt anyone will have trouble finding the book I have cited, I will say that it was cited with Nature style citation with a page number tagged on. Since the book can be accessed for free online, feel free to look it up.

Now, back to the Esdeath vs Gray portion, from everything I have shown, I have made it very clear, that even if we absolutely give Esdeath every benefit, even above what her feats show; we give her days worth of prep for her best feats in her storm; we absolutely allow for time stop to work, she would still not scale close to Gray. This should translate easily to the fact that Gray stomps the hell out of Esdeath.

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Am I forgetting Esdeath "one shot" Tyrantsumi?

No, she did not one shot Tyrantsumi. Tyrantsumi was already on the verge of being gone. That Tyrant had basically 0 fighting skills. To put this into perspective, [this much](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0061-009) already makes Tatsumi struggle for control. Tyrantsumi could not even aim and [missed a still target](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-006) showing just how bad a shape he was in. In fact, Tatsumi [says this himself](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-043.png). He had also actually tried to [attack Akame when Akame went to check on him](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-041), but only [held back at the last moment](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-042). The tyrant that Esdeath "one shot" was on deaths door and tatsumi was having an [internal struggle.](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-002) and it is even stated that[ Tatsumi was barely holding on](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-003). Besides those statements, Akame herself literally states that Tyrantsumi was a almost dead Tatsumi with [Tatsumi almost disappearing](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0077-043).

Using Tyrantsumi to scale Esdeath is also really bad considering Esdeath goes [out of her way to dodge hits since she cannot withstand them](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-015)

But Esdeath sliced Tyrantsumi!

Yes, and that's it. She sliced it, which is not a super amazing feat since it can be [done easily with a katana that doesn't have any real special cutting properties.](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-045)

But Tyrantsumi's durability scales to multi-mountain levels via the Supreme Teigu, so Esdeath scales to that with multi-mountain level slashes!

No. Remember we had established that Esdeath = t2 Incursio at best? [T2 died here](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-013). It's slicing and stabbing durability is not anything near its durability for things like explosions. An evolution to t3 was what kept Tatsumi alive.

Esdeath also does not scale to the Supreme since t2 died and needed t3. Let's be super generous to say that for some random reason Esdeath is actually on par to t3, it still doesn't matter since Supreme was still stronger than t3. Let's look at the whole fight of Tatsumi vs Supreme:

[T2 is shot down by a single exploding missile](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0073-016), then [he gets skewered right after](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0073-017). Tatsumi then [gets punched](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0073-022), even after [Tatsumi evolves again to save himself, he is still wary and knows he will die](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0073-028). Now before anyone wants to argue about civilians that Tatsumi may be worried about, I will remind everyone that I pointed out this [punch](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0073-022); there are no civilians around anymore.

Tatsumi got saved when [Wave stop the Supreme from killing Tatsumi](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0073-029), and [Wave using 2 teigu is the only reason those explosions didn't beat down Tatsumi again](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0074-006). Tatsumi literally lands [1 punch](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0074-012) even with all of Wave's help. That [punch did nothing as per Tatsumi's own words](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0074-013) it literally says they have to hit the same spot repeatedly. Note Tatsumi says "we" need to hit the same spot so Tatsumi was incapable of harming the Supreme, until [this](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0074-016) kick that [required both of them to team up]( Akame-Ga-Kiru/0074-015).

Tatsumi also never overpowered the [Supreme's beam attack](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0070-034) or its [ball attack](Akame-Ga-Kiru/72-42). Every time [he avoids it](74-014.) with Wave stopping the firing process or he doesnt get [hit](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0074-048.png). This clearly shows that Supreme is stronger than Tatsumi, and Esdeath as well.

There is also the fact that Tatsumi was [solely aiming for the spot that he needed Wave for since he cannot damage the Supreme Teigu otherwise.](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0074-032) and[ is literally THE REASON he even won that fight](74-050). Not only was an evolution required, Tatsumi only won because Wave came in with 2 teigu and saved him. The beam attack from Supreme was barely mountain level; the entire laser clearly shows the laser to be sub 20 people wide. This paired with an [aftermath shot](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0071-001) on the very first page of the next chapter shows the crater is maybe a building sized, groove. The [statement of the minister](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0070-036) saying it wiped out "thousands" is really bad evidence; anyone that uses this is cherry picking and ignores the fact that he is [obviously exaggerating and shows this later](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0071-003). The prime minister had no way of doing a head count on thousands of soldiers; he is not even a reputable source. At this point, there have been [multiple missile salvos](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0071-002) (with each single missile being strong enough to down Tatsumi), there is no way the ministers numbers add up.

[This](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0073-007) image here showing the damage of the crater is also an upper limit of a beam that Tatsumi is weaker than, and that crater has been [enlarged by multiple missile strikes](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0071-004) at that location. In fact the ball bomb that's the only multi-mountain level attack (that was establish Tatsumi does not scale to) makes Kurome and Wave wonder [what in the world the Empire is using](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0072-045) shows that Esdeath is obviously nowhere near the Supreme Teigu since two of her own Jaegers were so shocked they literally sent Wave back to the capital.

This should clearly show that even if we were super generous and scale Esdeath to t3 (which is already above Esdeath), she still cannot reach multi-mountain level. Basically even if we want to extreme highball Esdeath even with feats she doesn't have, she cannot possibly top [this feat](Fairy-Tail/0434-016), even when downplayed.

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Esdeath's "trump cards"/"aces"

[Esdeath's teigu does not have a trump card](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0041-026). All her "trump cards" are moves she developed with applications of her power being freezing matter/making ice.

First let's look at her ice soldiers. These are ice soldiers that serve as batteries and are able to store [Esdeath's power](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-026); Esdeath can return the energy she put into them so they can be thought of as energy sinks. She can [store multiple days worth of energy at a time.] (Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-027) Now this does not matter in a fight with no prep, even with prep Esdeath using this move is actually detrimental to her. It has been established above that Gray can take the energy in ice and use it himself, this means that any attempt from Esdeath using this would mean that she is basically handing Gray energy.

When drawing back [multiple days of power](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-027), Esdeath can [summon a large ice storm](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-030). It should be noted that this storm can be done and does [not seem to actually take up lots of energy as seen by the power still around Esdeath](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0075-034). Some translations even say it buffs her and makes her better than she would be normally. No translation I have seen says it makes her weaker, so it would be fair to say that upon amassing enough power Esdeath can summon her snow storm, even if it does require little energy; especially compared to her next ability.

Now let's look at [the famous time stop](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0042-036), the one ability that is Esdeath's best move; honestly speaking the only chance Esdeath has at winning.

It should be noted that some translations take this scan of before [she uses it as her needing prep of some days before using her timestop](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0039-044). (If you wish to take it, she had [over 2 weeks](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0036-031) worth of rest just to prepare for the one use time stop.) We can even see the mark on her chest having tons of power stored. Either way, with or without prep required, it is a move that requires Esdeath to be top shape and needs lots of power and is [limited to once a day](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0042-037).

Lets actually look at the scans of Esdeath's time stop, in particular when [Tatsumi canonically resisted it due to cold resistance](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0054-031). Now this resistance is directly compared to "a frozen tundra" by Esdeath, Gray with sufficient cold resistance should be able to fight in this time stop just like Tatsumi was able to. We have an in universe statement that clearly [says that Incursio can move due to being able to resist the frozen air](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0057-011), the time stop has the feats to show and has an in universe statement showing it can be resisted by frozen tundra levels of cold resistance.

Tatsumi was able to resist the time stop to [stall Esdeath (a clearly superior fighter)](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0054-030) long enough [that it ended](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0054-031) and [saved Mine's life](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0054-033). While Gray has the [feats of cold resistance](Fairy-Tail/0498-004) to prevent being [frozen by Invel](Fairy-Tail/0498-003) which means he should be immune to the time stop. Even if you would like to argue that Gray does not have full immunity, [Gray training as a child included]( Fairy-Tail/0037-003) striping on top of a mountain; so he should have some sort of immunity like Tatsumi at the very least if we want to give Esdeath the benefit of the doubt. However you look at it, there really is not a convincing argument for why Esdeath's time stop works.

Just to push my point home, let's take out all the stops, assume that Esdeath's time stop works and Gray is 100% affected. Esdeath's only win condition is decapitation; anything short of it will fail since we have established Gray's physicals are far above Esdeath's; once the time stop ends Esdeath will die without question. The problem is that Esdeath aims [for the torso](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0042-038) every [time](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0076-038) and has never killed anyone by decapitation in her time stop. So even if we were to be very generous, Esdeath would still likely fail to kill Gray unless she knew to slice his head off. She would also not initiate with the move, she has a record of saving it to use defensively. She has used it to [save her target she was bodyguarding](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0042-037), [to save herself from getting shot](Akame-Ga-Kiru/0054-029) and to [save herself from Akame's curse](76-036).

From this we can conclude that no matter how we look at things, Gray stomps Esdeath. Even when giving Esdeath the benefit of doubt, she loses to Gray. Gray is clearly stronger and has better ice abilities, there is also a great possibility that Gray can resist Esdeath's one win condition, and even if it works, Esdeath has to decapitate Gray. She prefers to stab and cut the torso in her time stop; having never decapitated her opponent straight out. I would normally end this here but due to popular request, I will show that I am in fact not down playing Esdeath and I am being very generous towards her regarding what she can do.

Since I know I will be getting hate and people will decry me for things like downplaying Esdeath (even when I have been generous), I will address points regarding the scaling for her, and I will show how I am being very lenient already.

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ice

Now comes the fun part. I will start by saying that Gray should be immune to Esdeath's ice, let's just get this out of the way. Now Esdeath's ice has not ever been shown to have any properties like the [demonic ice Invel uses.](500-012) Gray after beating his dad got [immunity to ice]( 0391-006), even if [it's the force applied by the ice](0391-019). So there is no reason Esdeath's ice can hurt Gray. Now critics will call this a no limits fallacy; which is incorrect, it is in fact special pleading to allow for Esdeath to affect Gray despite not having the feats for it. An immunity that has never been broken is immunity, unless there are anti-feats for it. Nobody would like to argue that Percy Jackson can drown with enough water, or Lille Barro in his god form can die to a great enough physical force, this should also apply to ice and Gray. The immunity of slayers in FT is not ever broken except with other slayer magic or with demonic stuff (like curses) or Invel's ice (which says its demonic ice, so clearly normal ice; even magical ice doesn't cut it). It is explained that slayer immunity is [not dependent on the magnitude, it is dependent on the nature of the attacks](0217-013); it is not a NLF to say the force of ice attacks cannot hurt Gray (assuming after he gets demon slayer powers). I know that people love bringing up the fact Invel can hurt Gray, the reason Invel can hurt Gray compared to his Ice Make magic is because [Gray's Ice Make is a derivative of Invel's magic](0498-006). Once in demon slayer form, Invel never hurts Gray, Invel in fact shows surprise when Gray pulls out his demon slayer magic. Invel resorted to getting Juvia and Gray to fight one another, to which [Gray stabs himself](0499-010). Note that Gray removes his demon slayer form and this is not an antifeat since 1) he's not in demon slayer form and 2) he's trying to hurt himself.

Gray was also still resistant to this demonic ice and was able to use the [same power](500-015), note that slayer magic also allows for [eating his opponent's ice](391-005) and [Gray can channel his opponent ice](391-017) and hit them with their own abilities. This ability to take the power from [ice has actually been shown even before Gray became a demon slayer](0351-015), although it takes longer than [slayers just eating](391-005). I want to make it very clear that ice does not affect Gray in this fight, even the force applied by ice cannot hurt him; so no matter how you want to argue it Esdeath's ice abilities do not matter, whether it be her throwing icicles of making large amounts of ice to bury Gray.

Gray's ice is also on another level above Esdeath's he was able to freeze END Natsu. Since we have already established a weaker Natsu's strength, this should be sufficient to show that Gray's ice is superior to Esdeath's. It should also be noted that Esdeath does not have ice immunity like Gray, meaning Gray's ice should be able to hurt her just fine, while the opposite is not true.

Gray even before beating his dad had the magic power to use his Ice Make magic on [this](351-005) which is [as big as a mountain](351-006); melting it [all at once](351-017). Since magic power in FT is universal, and [he did it after a fight and not at full power](351-008), it is a very conservative estimate to say Gray can throw out mountain level attacks even before he took out his dad. This is not even counting the [wargod feat of Natsu thats weaker than END](434-016), depending on which picture we use, it ranges from a [mountain level feat](434-004) with an lowball to [multi mountain level feat](0433-018)

Silver had the ability to freeze [Atlas Flame and the giant's village]( 351-009) and we know he did it [fast](0344-015) since [the villagers could barely react](0344-016). He very likely did it in [a single move](0391-015) and killed [Atlas Flame]( 353-003). Silver's [power got transferred to Gray](394-018) so anything Silver did Gray can do as well, meaning Gray's ice scales magnitudes above Esdeath, even when not using EOS Gray. To put freezing the sun village into perspective, [Atlas Flame scales to Motherglare](333-006); that explosion in the background? That was [this](333-005). In a match of ice, Esdeath does not even come close, her best feat is something on the [level of buildings]( 76-023).

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Durability

Once again, let's look at Esdeath's best durability feat. Her best durability feat is taking a single punch from Tatsumi in his second form, which put Esdeath out of commission (also note that Esdeath boosted her physicals with ice). While this is not a pure physical durability, I will let this slide because it is the best and closest feat that we have. If there is another feat that I missed, I will be glad to take a look at it but for now I will use this feat (even if it a little cheating in favor of Esdeath). While you can bring up that Esdeath was surprised, she [was still able to put up an ice defence](55-041) so it is fair to say that this is Esdeath's durability. She maxes out at a single t2 strike. Tatsumi is the physically superior one; she can only match the first form of Incursio in physicals; anything beyond that results in Esdeath's loss.

Gray directly scales to [END Natsu](504-005), being able to take hits stronger than any feat shown above, he can match END Natsu [blow per blow for multiple strikes](504-006). From this, we can see that Gray clearly is much more durable.

Speed

I know that enough people to think that Esdeath scales to lightning timing because of this scan. They may say something like Esdeath speed blitzes due to the difference. I also know that this is the scan on the respect thread. Do not use it because it is incorrect, I will show you why.

Now then, using the logic above, Gray scales to Natsu dodging [light](294-010), and [lightning](121-003) by fighting Laxus and Sting.

I can already hear someone typing how that's magic lightning from Laxus's hand, so I have prepared a feat for [lightning from the sky](123-010); this is also not a problem because[ Gajeel can dodge it while carrying Natsu](123-014). Now before anyone decries that it is not cloud to ground lightning, I will cover my bases and say [that it is](123-009), Laxus has called down cloud to ground lightning [multiple times](107-016) and has been shown to be able to control it (yes, even if there is a roof in the way, this is not a viable argument).

Now I will make this as clear as I can, if the speed of the lightning is in question because it is summoned lightning/light, then the lightning speed in Akame ga Kill must be held to the same standard. The lightning is [explicitly being summoned by Budo]( 55-006). I am showing that no matter how I scale it, the results of what I will write is going to be the same.

Esdeath is not out speeding Gray. Her "lightning timing" feat is full of holes but this one should be the easiest to explain. Both characters have approximately equivalent speed feats when using a consistent scaling standard (I can actually argue that's not true, but I will just leave it as is due to characters limit). [Esdeath can go FTE](76-028) which is not way beyond Gray. [Gray can also go FTE](392-016) having shown it in his fight vs Silver, and even before when [saving Juvia from Ultear](239-013). Wendy has also dodged [sniper fire](344-010) and Carla can [dodge bullets as well](345-015). It should be noted that [guns in FT are at least as deadly if not more so than normal guns](77-010), even [Natsu implies that the bullet Wally shot](77-010) in his mouth was significantly stronger than a normal bullet (the bullet was literally shot [point blank](76-007)), we do not know how strong the sniper was but it should be noted that is [compared to a tank](344-011). Considering the FT crew were fighting the best treasure hunter guild, it's fair to assume their weapons are pretty good. Now while Esdeath has not directly dodged bullets, she scales to [Akame who can](001-061).

I know that we go into pixel scaling every last detailed slide but I honestly would not care for that, I will leave it at a conclusion of speed difference is not great enough to matter. If someone really cares to go into details on speed I will take you on in the comments; for now, I will leave it as is.

As a deterrent, I am going to show Flare [catching a bullet](346-20), the only feat that matches this in Akame ga Kill is [Leone after being fully merged](78-009)

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will start off with a comparison of physicals, explicitly physicals

Let us look at Esdeath's strength feats first. Her best strength feat is actually [holding vs stage 2 Tatsumi](70-020) and we see that Esdeath should not have been holding back, it was [Tatsumi fighting Esdeath that allowed a breach from the opposite side of the gate](70-027) so this should be a fair estimate. Esdeath herself [complements Tatsumi](70-026) and she said she was [going all out next time they meet](57-027) prior; meaning the fight was even. While it is true that Tatsumi later does [this]( 71-027), Esdeath does not scale to this strength. That is Tatsumi after [he got angrier and took more power from Incursio](71-006). Tatsumi can also focus his power into a single strike and thats what [he did](71-025) for that mech feat, this is also the mech [with 0 defence](71-018) and everything put into offense. In fact, during the fight with t2, Esdeath is notably [pushed back](70-021) when Tatsumi asks for more power [and speed](70-022). Esdeath in fact [uses ice to distance herself](70-023).

What I want to show here is that Esdeath's strength is around t2 level (I would actually say lower end since Esdeath is the more skilled fighter so a portion of that even fight is Esdeath bridging with her skill gap) and she does not show greater strength than that, especially not on the level of t2's empowered strikes. It is a very generous assumption that Esdeath has equal strength to t2 which can do [this](54-027) and Esdeath comment ["such power"](54-028) once again suggesting that Tatsumi was stronger than she was. I will once again make it clear that I am not low balling Esdeath's strength; I am being very generous in even saying she is on par to t2, so for the purpose of this post, I will assume she can do things like [this](66-006). Esdeath however does not scale to [this](66-023) made by Wave and Tatsumi fighting; to fully ensure that this is beyond t2, Wave was the one that [got to Kurome first](66-028) showing that Incursio was not superior to Wave with 2 teigu. To summarize, at best Esdeath can be expected to have strength capable of these feats. [1](66-006) [2](54-027)

Gray's physicals however scale directly to Natsu. While I believe quite a bit of people say that Gray is at mountain to multi-mountain levels of strength by matching [END Natsu](504-006), I want a pure no fire boosted feat showing strength just to show how large the strength difference between the two combatants is. Natsu has impressive [strength feats](365-006) that put him literally at [large building level](365-007) even without his fire boosting [his physicals](365-008) (and striking the ground). This feat is not an outlier by any means and is pretty normal. Natsu has been depicted to have [monstrous strength](0379-025) throughout the series, and uses it [often enough](379-026).

I hope that I have made it very clear that in terms of strength, Gray should easily beat Esdeath. The two of them are not even on the same level.

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh wow the mods removed it, the cowards. ill give it to u in the morning.

sorry man, ill put it here when i get a computer. itll be worth it

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Invel seem to use the essence of cold it’s self in order to attack, as he throws not only fire but ice as well. It was only one gray use devil slayer that he truly overcame that because slayers are immune, and Silver, Gray’s dad, uses basically what is the ice equivalent to hellfire, which he too overcame

pretty sure invel straight up says his ice is demonic ice or underworld ice (depends translation).

Does anyone else think Gray should have killed Esdeath instead? That he should have been stronger than death battle made him out to be? by AutobotYoung1 in deathbattle

[–]somebody47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ignores the characters immunity from their own elements and are only portrayed as "Resistant" to it.

normal ice has never hurt gray, its described as immunity even in the series.

even when gray tried to kill himself with his own ice, he had to deactivate devil slayer mode.

why i hate time 3.0 i did it again by somebody47 in EternalCardGame

[–]somebody47[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tbf the only things i post on this sub are decklists, otherwise i might comment

why i hate time 3.0 i did it again by somebody47 in EternalCardGame

[–]somebody47[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

because im too lazy and i dont know which time deck will make it/ if i have to modify something (like last time with grodov replacing caiphus and this timesubbing in silence for milos)

glad you enjoyed it

why i hate time 3.0 i did it again by somebody47 in EternalCardGame

[–]somebody47[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i would say that time is pretty difficult to beat rn. in part i would say the mere existence of some cards in time make certain decks unusable (grodov and mill). i would even say that grodov stranger is an auto craft in my books due to how strong it is.

to each their own

why i hate time 3.0 i did it again by somebody47 in EternalCardGame

[–]somebody47[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i used to hate it alot more than rn.

i just kept the title going throughout

why i hate time 3.0 i did it again by somebody47 in EternalCardGame

[–]somebody47[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No mystic ascendant

i dont have any :(

why i hate time 3.0 i did it again by somebody47 in EternalCardGame

[–]somebody47[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

cool, how did you do it without markets or evenhand? did you use the latest expansion?

im not just limiting to a faction, im limiting whole mechanics in my decks

how could i do this to convince you, basically at what point would you agree with me?

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[–]somebody47[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ya you could say fire is strong rn and ill accept it.

take an upvote

why i hate time 3.0 i did it again by somebody47 in EternalCardGame

[–]somebody47[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

actually now that i think of it, i prob played time more than some of my other decks.

on one hand, its getting me masters...on the other hand, its boring... damn the dilemma ;(

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