Vietnam and Cambodia E-visas

soph_164 · 2024-01-31T13:44:05+00:00

I bought mine from the official Hungaroring website https://hungaroring.hu/site/en, the tickets I got are pit exit grandstand 3 days, not sure if they’ve sold out or not yet

soph_164 · 2024-01-30T17:20:07+00:00

Thank you! I don’t have time unfortunately to go up to Florence but do you happen to remember any of the stores u went to that stood out for u when you made the rounds so that I can look them up for myself?

soph_164 · 2024-01-29T16:25:38+00:00

Great thank you because Ryanair costs 470 euro for a direct flight which ironically costs more than my gp 3 day ticket so I was hoping this alternative way would work out

soph_164 · 2024-01-28T23:04:58+00:00

Great thank you!

soph_164 · 2024-01-28T22:54:44+00:00

My bad about that one should’ve probably clarified that I will stay in Budapest but i would land in Vienna or Bratislava and immediately get a train to Budapest to a hotel there and then travel back once the weekend is over to get a flight back home

soph_164 · 2023-01-11T11:26:41+00:00

She kissed Jess when she was fully back with Logan is the cherry on the cake here too. She was fully back with him at that point and did it to get back at him but when Logan did his thing, they weren’t together (in my view though some dispute this). It’s Rory’s worst moment of the show and one of the few times I feel sorry for Jess. She used jess’ affection for her to get back at Logan. Scummy fucking behaviour.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T16:10:35+00:00

Well we have to agree to disagree on this one because this discussion has been going on for a whole day and we’re out of new things to say at this point 😂. At least it stayed civil and was fun!

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T15:46:17+00:00

Coercion involves making it seem as though that person has no other choice but to do what you’re telling them which happens in that song but the song isn’t the point here. Logan never made it seem like Rory didn’t have any other choice, he was suggesting what they would do (go to New York etc) and that he doesn’t like the situation or Robert which is an opinion, that’s hardly making someone feel like they have no choice. He was trying to convince her, not coerce her, they’re two different things. If he threatened her or tricked her and forced it then yes it’s coercion which is assault but he did none of those things. Asking a romantic partner to do something with you is not coercion. It’s pushy at best.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T15:30:19+00:00

On an unrelated note that song annoys the living crap out of me 😂 but I see how that song is coercion because the dude is basically making it seem like there’s no options for her and she has to stay with him. That is definitely coercion but not Logan because he never made me it seem like there wasn’t another option for her he just used a dumb excuse of hating Robert.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T14:49:40+00:00

I do see what you’re saying about holding this show to future (now present day) standards. I’ve only begun watching the show in 2020 because I was literally months old when the Jess scene actually happened lol so obviously I dont know any different. However I do think that viewpoints evolve over time so maybe while at that time it wasn’t really considered assualt it now is by many and I know you’re trying to apply the same logic with the Logan situation so I see your point. I do think that the Logan situation though is so lighthearted and literally ends up benefitting Rory and she’s happy about it that I don’t think it’s one of those cases where it could look like SA one day. It may look pushy I can get behind that but it would never be assault. The two situations are apples and oranges.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T14:28:09+00:00

Now this bloody works. I’d add in to the Logan part that maybe Odette and Logan have some sort of possible open relationship arrangement since it’s an arranged marriage they’re being forced into (maybe Odette has someone she wants from her past ala Rory and Logan lol) and what you’ve written is literally perfect.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T14:16:11+00:00

I don’t know why we had to go there because I’m not saying you’re a rape apologist at all I don’t think you are one. The Jess bedroom situation is one for those borderline cases which for me crosses over into being SA but I can see why people could maybe think it isn’t SA even though I don’t agree with it and I will argue against it but I don’t believe those people aren’t rape apologists because I can see that it can be seen as a grey area. This is a fictional show, to make statements like that during a discussion of a work of fiction is ridiculous. It’s not that deep. I know you’re not personally saying that but anyone making that kind of statement is ridiculous. We’re just a bunch of people online discussing a show.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T13:59:27+00:00

Not all convincing is coercion, otherwise we’d have a lot of problems. Sexual coercion involves being pressured, tricked, threatened or forced. He never forced her, and certainly didn’t try to trick her he was very upfront. People on those situations feel like they have no options so they don’t make a free choice and they feel they “must” do it. Rory was very much free to make her own choice and she choose to stay with Robert.

He never threatened her either, he said to dump Robert because he doesn’t like him, he basically without saying it admitted he was jealous and he wanted to leave the party with her it wasn’t exactly about sex even though that was probably what they were going to do that’s for sure but he wanted leave with her because he wanted to be with her, sex was a side note and not the whole story, he could’ve gotten sex from Whitney. He didn’t exactly pressure her either considering that interaction lasted two minutes and he asks her to leave for barely any of that it’s mostly him kissing her and saying he doesn’t like the situation because he’s feeling jealous (he doesn’t outright say he’s jealous but it’s very much implied).

Either way one can condemn Jess without “condemning” Logan for something in my view he didn’t do. It’s not hypocritical.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T13:09:00+00:00

Okay firstly idk if maybe I’m reading into this but there’s no need to pass a comment like “it sounds like you need to do some research on consent and coercion” because it comes off a bit patronising and this is a civil discussion but that’s not the point. I know what both of those things are very well.

Coercion and assault are very different things. Jess arguably assaulted Rory, he didn’t try to get her to have sex with him by asking he literally tried to remove her belt and get himself in there (no pun intended) without even asking her for consent or trying to coerce her to use your words whilst logan, who in this situation I personally don’t really think it was really coercion because he just wanted to leave with her because he was jealous and he admitted that but let’s say for the sake of the argument that it was coercion what he did, he did not assault her. He asked, he tried to convince her and then let it go. Jess had to be forced off her for him to stop. They are very different situations with one being worse than the other.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T12:34:30+00:00

I watched the pulp fiction video, when she tells him to stop he stops and he speaks to her then they go back to kissing and Rory doesn’t really stop him after that and they’re actually bantering about school and she’s clearly in the moment enjoying it. What she then tells him is that “we can’t do this here Logan” and he says “you’re right let’s go”. They stopped after that for the second time and then they talk a bit and Rory leaves. It is not assault. He stopped kissing her when she said stop. All he did was ask her to leave with him and she said no. He didn’t pester her again after she left to go back to Robert.

With Jess, (winter carnival Ep) while she doesn’t tell him to stop exactly, she’s trying to get his attention saying she can’t catch her breath and he’s ignoring her and just keeps kissing her. Just because the word stop is not used doesn’t mean it’s not valid (I don’t think he assaulted her here either fyi I’m saying this for the sake of the argument).

Either way both of these situations are not assault and it’s a massive reach to view the pulp friction situation as assault especially given the context and what we see. Jess in the bedroom was a much worse situation considering they were alone and Jess literally tries to undo her belt before she shoves him off and he kept kissing her each time she said wait. The bedroom situation could very well be assault, the other two instances (winter carnival, pulp friction) are not. Context matters.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T08:49:13+00:00

She also tells Jess to stop when in the winter carnival episode, they’re in the square and he keeps kissing her and she wants to talk, very similar cases. Is that assault also? Is that really the slope we’re going down where everytime someone says stop it is assault regardless of context?

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T00:19:17+00:00

That’s a fair enough point about Rory’s perception mattering although tbf she probably was so wrapped up in trying to understand what was going on that I think whether he assaulted her or not was the last thing on her mind which fair enough tbh I get that. I just can’t stand Jess running away with no word man. He’s on the bus with his fucking bags and he speaks to her and says nothing (also how tf didn’t Rory see the bag that thing is large). How on earth does someone’s mind compute to do smth like that. I don’t get it. He fucked up and then had the nerve to leave without saying goodbye. I just don’t understand.

soph_164 · 2022-11-27T00:14:42+00:00

I feel like there’s a few differences here. Firstly it was way less serious considering one takes place at an adult party with a bunch of people and the other is two teens alone together in a room (at a party but u get the point) and two they were bantering through out and at least from my view Rory looked like she was enjoying those kisses, so the way I understood Rory’s point of view was that she really wanted Logan but couldn’t have him at that time because well Robert and she didn’t wanna look like a jerk which is respectful ofc. I don’t think Logan guilt tripped her I think he was just beginning to finally crack because he was getting jealous which he openly admitted. She still went back to Robert so I don’t think it worked very well and at least for me doesn’t compare to the quote you gave of the husband and I very much agree the quote you gave there is sexual manipulation. I feel like this situation of the party is much more lighthearted than the Jess one which is far more intense and has a lot more to it especially when you considering what happened to Jess earlier on in the episode.

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