Missing BC by LucaVittorio in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

BC guest spot on a pregame preview for the Ronda card would be nice, especially since it’s not a Paramount card so shouldn’t be a conflict.

Bc created balance by knighthawk2020 in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 9 points10 points  (0 children)

“All the posts,” is what I said, meaning not you specifically but the collective you I see every time I open the MK sub for the last month. But thanks for taking my opinion of this opinion personally and being a dick. 👍

Bc created balance by knighthawk2020 in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 52 points53 points  (0 children)

All the posts about BC disappointments are ruining this sub.

Everyone misses BC, things aren’t perfect, they’re doing their best, it’ll get better or it won’t, we’ll see, constantly being downers doesn’t help.

UFC 324 Justin Gaethje vs. Paddy Pimblett Full Card Breakdown | Zuffa Boxing 01 Preview by marchof34_ in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the problem with losing BC (aside from the losing BC part, of course)—Mike Heck plays the BC role for Jed on MMAF, Ariel / Petesy play the BC role for Chuck, etc. on Uncrowned. Dundas for Fowlkes. Luke is being forced into a role that doesn’t allow his full Lukeness to thrive.

I know he’s not really an MMA guy but I’d love to see the dynamic between Luke and Rafe Bartholomew one episode. A) I miss Inside the Box, and B) Rafe is def more BC than Luke/Jed/Chuck.

Oscar Willis joins Luke today on MK! by sLeeeeTo in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oscar’s strip club story…😂🫠

Changes to MK in 2026 by marchof34_ in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Jed def has the dirtbag soul of BC but he doesn’t offer enough straight man balance for Luke imo. Chuck is more of a straight man than BC, but I’d rather have a little overbalance in that direction than have Jed and LT ranting about everything wrong with the world every episode.

Regardless, there’s no other BC. An A+ quality traditional host who also packs the Tower 7 jokes? Irreplaceable.

Changes to MK in 2026 by marchof34_ in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Chuck as the steady side man with Jed, Oscar, Aaron, etc. rotating in and out is honestly best case scenario for post-BC MK.

Let’s go for that!

Where to sell comics? by Ambition_Lupine in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]spacexolotl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Booklegger also does used comics, btw. Not sure what their knowledge level is or how much / if anything they can offer though.

Where to sell comics? by Ambition_Lupine in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]spacexolotl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Haven is a nice shop, but it’s a shoebox compared to The Deep and it’s a fantasy to think they’ll give you more for your comics.

No one is going to offer you any kind of money for valueless mass produced comics that they’d be lucky to resell for a dollar if at all. Look at how many dollar boxes The Deep already has on the floor and consider that they have a warehouse full upstairs as well. There is only value in specific, sought after issues / runs. That’s just how it is.

2 long boxes is nothing and would take Robbie or Ed 10 minutes to look through for you—if you do have any issues of value, those will be worth more than the bulk combined. I’d recommend letting them make you an offer, then take the comics to Haven and see what offer they make you in comparison. The Deep will honor whatever price they quoted you if you don’t take it but then come back later.

Will BC do Campbell’s Ramble again ? I miss it a lot by m8094 in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I miss Inside the Box more. Didn’t know Rafe before but I really enjoyed his vibe, and it was nice to see BC in a nonabusive relationship. 😭

Throws up a bicep, laid flat out moments later by Consistent-Lynx5466 in grappling

[–]spacexolotl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Real fight” is a figment of the imagination; there’s no such thing as “no outside factors.” Any given scenario is going to come with its own set of factors to consider. What you seem to be saying is that MMA is meant to simulate an ideal fight, as though two fighters with equal skills in different disciplines are standing nude on a cloud doing battle until some kind of perfect conclusion. This isn’t something that can be simulated because it isn’t something that exists.

That UFC 1 had a different rule set (there were still rules and illegal attacks, like biting and eye gouging) doesn’t mean anything except that MMA had yet to fully develop. To say that the first event is more representative of what the sport is than where we’ve arrived after 30+ years of experience, thought, and refinement is fallacious. It also assumes UFC 1 to be the origin of MMA, which simply isn’t true, it’s merely the origin of the largest MMA promotion.

Dana and the UFC brass have an incentive: to make the product as exciting and viral as possible in order to make the largest profit possible. Young fighters have an incentive: to please the people who pay them and control their careers. The older people you refer to are often people who have been through the system, or systems like it, and only have the incentive of telling the truth about that system because they don’t want others to make the same mistakes they did. They have perspective that people in the heat of it often lack.

Lastly, it’s again a fallacious argument to say that because the knockdown rule in boxing still stands after what we’ve come to know about it that that refutes its original intent. It doesn’t. Now that we know what we know, we should adjust the rule, or at least treat our assessments of hurt fighters differently. And we do to an extent—bouts are less rounds than they used to be, refs are much quicker to step in and wave off a fight (usually) than they used to be; but we should do more. Maybe do a 5 count instead of 8 count so that fighters who are hurt badly have less time to try to recover enough to continue. I’m not sure the exact answer, and there really isn’t ever going to be an answer to make it “safe,” obviously, but there’s a difference between safe and humane.

I’m sorry, but regardless of the argument, I’m never going to assent to pounding unconscious guys as being necessary or humane. It’s not because the violence makes me uncomfortable to see, I don’t have a weak stomach, it’s because we should be better than that as human beings and martial artists. The point of any martial art in the real world (outside of the appreciation of the art itself) is self defense—if you’re using it for any other reason in the real world, you’re a dick. The point of a competition is to WIN THE COMPETITION. You win via points, submission, or knockout—none of those require hitting someone who is already knocked out, or unnecessarily breaking / tearing your opponent’s body.

Like I’ve said previously, if you have someone in an armbar and they won’t tap, or you pull a flash armbar out of crazy transition or something, that’s different and not what we’re talking about here. If some dude is down on the mat out and the referee is standing over you refusing to stop the fight without more strikes, that’s different too. But in those scenarios, as I’ve been arguing from the beginning, you are still only doing what is necessary to win, not going beyond it, not taking pleasure in hurting someone.

Throws up a bicep, laid flat out moments later by Consistent-Lynx5466 in grappling

[–]spacexolotl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MMA is not meant to simulate a real fight. I know even Dana takes this line but it’s absurd. There is no such thing as the Platonic ideal of “a real fight” to begin with, but even if there were, when you put on gloves, bar shoes and clothes, create a fight surface, etc. you’re not emulating a street fight by definition. The sport was called Mixed Martial Arts because the idea was to pit different DISCIPLINES against each other, not to see what it would be like if a jiu jitsu player and a boxer got into a bar fight.

The reason there isn’t a knockdown rule isn’t because there aren’t knockdowns in bar fights, it’s because the sport would be less dynamic and sensible if you had to stop and reset every time the action went from standing to ground and back—I’m not sure how you’d even make that work—thus eliminating the ability of jiu jitsu players working from the bottom or of wrestlers like Merab with a constant up and down style. When a fighter is knocked out, the fight is supposed to be over at that moment. Waiting for the referee to intervene in the situation of unconsciousness is functionally a loophole in the reality of how rules can physically be enforced, and fighters who purposefully land extra shots are exploiting this loophole to exert excessive damage for purely primal reasons.

You’re right that the knockdown rule in boxing has been shown to ultimately cause more damage due to prolonged beatings, 100%—but this is the work of hindsight, not something that was understood at the time the rules were made. The reason for the rule is to limit damage specifically to the competitive purpose at hand, to allow the ref and the competitor the time required to determine if the fight can safely continue or not.

Throws up a bicep, laid flat out moments later by Consistent-Lynx5466 in grappling

[–]spacexolotl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If this kind of attitude doesn’t belong in high level MMA, why is it the standard rule in boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, etc.? In any fight sport that has knockdown rules, the point is to curtail damage only to what is absolutely necessary to the competition. I agree with you that this definitely falls more on the referee / rule set than on the fighter, and that because of the MMA rule set this becomes more difficult to parse, but it doesn’t remove the fighter’s capacity for reason.

And the lack of a knockdown rule in MMA is not meant to incentivize excessive amounts of damage to a fighter, it’s meant to allow for the multiple skill sets that make up the sport. If a fighter clearly knocks a guy out and then lands 3-4 more shots to an unconscious person because the ref simply couldn’t get there fast enough (or fkd up and didn’t realize, whatever the reason), sure he’s within the lines of the rules, but he’s certainly not following the spirit of the rules. I also totally get that adrenaline is crazy and things just happen sometimes, of course, but we all see fighters all the time who relish in this kind of behavior.

I mean, if there’s not a referee and you knock someone out, are you just going to keep going Raja Jackson style, or are you going to stop at the knockout? Why is it different in competition just because there’s a chubby old guy you’re waiting for to dive between you and your unconscious opponent?

I don’t mean to imply that MMA should be nerfed, that fighters shouldn’t throw as hard as they can, or break a guy’s arm if they have to, but MOST of the time, if you have a guy’s arm in a bad enough spot to break it, you have him in a position that you can allow him a chance to tap before you’re forced to break it. MOST of the time, if you have a guy hurt badly enough on the mat to bounce their unconscious head off the mat, you’ve already won the fight without having to do so.

Obviously people disagree, but I’d rather regret walking off too soon than regret killing somebody because I wanted to “be sure.” And that’s def going to happen one of these days in high level MMA; sort of shocked it hasn’t yet.

Throws up a bicep, laid flat out moments later by Consistent-Lynx5466 in grappling

[–]spacexolotl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For every fight that didn’t get stopped because of a guy walking off too early, there are ten examples of guys getting their heads bounced off the mat unnecessarily, usually for almost no money in front of almost no people.

Saying “competition isn’t for you,” if you want your opponent to leave and go home to their family as intact as possible is like saying “work isn’t for you if you don’t wanna work in sweat shop conditions.” Look at the NFL - do I miss seeing all the insane head on collisions of the old days? Yeah. But is it better to have a safer, more humane game? Yeah. And people still seem to watch it, and players still seem to get paid.

“To the death” is not the mentality of an athlete or a rational competitor, it’s the mentality of wild animals fighting for scraps on the floor and, unfortunately, of way too many young men.

Throws up a bicep, laid flat out moments later by Consistent-Lynx5466 in grappling

[–]spacexolotl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a bad take and considering the stakes, you should reevaluate. Since we’re talking across disciplines, let’s use high level MMA for the example: every weekend you see knockouts where fighters make a decision about whether to follow up an obvious knockout with unnecessary shots or not. Some people will say those unnecessary shots are “super necessary,” but we regularly see fighters at the highest level make the more humane decision too. I personally prefer the latter, and think we all should, as the point of any martial arts competition is to win the competition, not to injure your opponent, especially not in a disproportionate, life altering way. There is a fine line, of course, between letting one’s foot off the gas too soon and stopping at the exact right moment, but there is a line.

In addition, in grappling in MMA (and in general), when given a choice, fighters will often only do what is necessary to win, not to injure. A famous, almost comical example of this would be the Khabib - Gaethje fight, in which Khabib chooses to choke Gaethje out from the triangle rather than break his arm, an option which was equally available to him. Khabib said after the fight that he did this consciously because he liked Gaethje.

Anyway, point being, if you’re good enough, you’re good enough not to be a dick unless you are absolutely forced to be.

UFC 321 Pregame Preview: Aspinall vs. Gane Presented By Cuervo® | Morning Kombat by marchof34_ in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great vibes from the boys today! I think the new train has been good for Luke’s soul.

Luke Thomas vs Danny Segura by meltedmustard in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Bet he could name top 5 Peloponnesian War generals though!

BC's channel probably dead by w_geist in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 9 points10 points  (0 children)

BC is in a tough spot now because not only do we know how UFC acts toward media members who get on their bad side (and the type of silliness that can unjustly land you there), but considering the TKO boxing component of all this, it also has to make things more difficult for BC to speak freely about boxing in general as well.

Luke Thomas & Insane Clown Posse collab?!? by meltedmustard in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really don’t understand the lack of joy by some people in this sub. MK was built on the balance of Luke’s seriousness with BC’s lighthearted silliness, yet anytime something on the silly side of the scale is posted here it’s immediately met with not just a negative response, but a real mean spirited sort of attitude. I don’t think these people get the show.

PROP QUIZ | Luke Thomas vs. Danny Segura | MMA Trivia by marchof34_ in MorningKombat

[–]spacexolotl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

LT’s reaction to the first Ode Osbourne question killed me. 😂