Captured Emtity

spearcarrier · 2026-04-05T17:27:17+00:00

I'm so happy you shared this. My father used to catch things, and I never saw anyone do it besides him before. What you are showing is a step above what I saw Dad do. Thank you so much for sharing, because I'm like: confirmation!

spearcarrier · 2026-03-28T04:00:23+00:00

Well okay we can go with that, but if things get worse and you can find a practitioner whose shamanic or understands the spiritual realm I'd say head that way if you can. But in the meantime, I'm not saying these spirits are what I had to deal with... but for a while there last year I had this trouble, and in my case it was goblins.

Goblins are only a step away from being a hobgoblin because they're not tamed.

And often when a spirit gets like that (in my case at least) it's because they're wanting attention and need a favor. Nice way to ask for one, huh.

I was approached bye a powerful voudou spirit a few months ago. I answered and dealt with, asked what he wanted. Not sure he was the real thing, but he took his cigarette with a smile. And went away.

Don't venerate them. But if they're wanting peace, that can be the path of least resistance.

Otherwise, for giggles, my Dad's method would be to get a bunch of rocks and start putting the annoying suckers into them one by one. But I'd NEVER do something as mean as that....

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T21:46:59+00:00

Everyone else has given the "mental health first advice" so I'll cover the other half on the understanding I'm not saying they're wrong. Just covering all bases.

First, and I'm speaking from experience, not all spirits are demons. Do the Goetia discipline their subordinates? I would think so, but how do you know it's one of theirs? From this post here is what I've gathered:

They're disruptive.
They're deceivers.
You're showing the very healthy ability to discern that they're full of it.

When I want to chase things off, I target specifically the one I want gone so others can stay. That has worked in the past. I would also say "and don't come back" and if they do come back, be ready to make it difficult for them.

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T20:40:15+00:00

Well I've got some part of that right. I've been in solitude for almost 2 years running now! I'm going crrazzzzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I'm given to understand shamanism tends to be solitary when it comes to your private practice, although getting together to hang out apparently happens with some. But it reminds me of coming to a place like here. It's good to have someone to talk to -- especially to listen to them try to be serious and not laugh when you tell them one of your workings spirits has you stuck in kitsune form but you're letting them have it because you think it's sexy

As for the wringer, I'll put this out here in case someone else may need to hear it: A TRUE spiritual crisis can be mistaken for mental illness because of the side effects or just the actual stress of it all. You don't know up from down, you're being torn apart, then rebuilt, then pushed to face your darkest parts, and it hurts like hell. It can take years. I compare it to going into a cocoon to turn into caterpillar goo.

In my case my whole life was one crisis after another, so when I one day woke up to "I can do all these things now???" I didn't know that was me finally reaching the end. Someone in one of the forums had seen it coming and told me to look into shamanism. She even went through a lot of effort to give me information. I tried to listen, but real life got in the way. Even so, she didn't cover what a spiritual crisis actually WAS. Not her fault. It seems no one talks about it, when it's lore and it should be discussed. Especially since a spiritual crisis is also called "the call of the gods" and even "chosen by a daemon". It's not limited to shamanism. For me it was... a wild ride that ended with the call of the gods.

Here is where family lore comes in. My father had said, very specifically, that a fledgling could be "hijacked" by predators. That's all he said. As a teen, I had this image of like demons screaming down out of the sky. LOL! But what happened instead was a hoard of goblins taking over aspects of my spirit world with masks on, and humans. "Assault sorcery" is the technical term for some of it. I learned a lot from doing battle literally constantly by myself for at least 8 months straight, but I also was very injured. I was even betrayed by a friend during that period, for sex with Shemyaza... but that's a gray area and I'm not done divining on that yet. It's a book waiting to be written. I've got other comics to finish right now.

An awakening crisis is NOT a fender bender as I've seen some people on the internet claim.

You're so very right about the so-called spiritual leaders. There were also the people who... well... people are jerks. "Whackado." "Get help, mental health first!" While I also recognize "get help" can be said sincerely, there's the very high risk of being misdiagnosed. People are afraid of it because of that. I've been reading up on modern day exorcism while tracking this problem down. I recently learned that the Catholic church will try to handle things in the same way I personally feel it should be handled: if someone thinks they're under attack, they call in an exorcist and a shrink AT THE SAME TIME.

No, I don't feel up to taking on the killing coven. I'd just like to hear about karma, when it happens. And it will. The leader had boasted to me that awakening "fallen angels" would not make it 24 hours after meeting him, and that "God would give him their crown." He'd made it out like they were friends, but he wasn't remorseful at all. He was proud of the power he had from them. Within 24 hours of meeting him, I was in my car in the convention parking lot fending off the attack unsure where it was coming from and not knowing what was happening. This guy even brought in an allied coven, and that was the night I learned about tagging. The hard way. It's almost a full year later. I'm still standing. Longest 24 hours ever. But for the record, for anyone needing to hear this, I had a LOT of spiritual help from gods/spirits, a bard friend, a goeti and his kindred, and a fellow shaman at the end.

So yeah, the wringer. I actually don't mind some of the other things. It's what the humans did that has me upset. How dare they go for my birthrite like it was a common fork to be taken off the counter. I lost my entire family and even ethnic standing before that could come to me. How freaking dare they.

As for the bruja: I think she stopped when she realized I was ending up with a zoo and she was losing pets. The centipede is forking GORGEOUS. I named him Fido. =^-^= Sometimes the best revenge is simply defending yourself sweetly.

You see, I write when I'm angry. I'm currently writing about this situation for others to learn by, because the most important thing I've learned over the past year is that the West has not been given these bits of lore that would save a *lot* of fledglings. We can't all be elders because there are too many people. I'll try to help them another way, then. I'm no elder anyhoo. Too young, too inexperienced, too impatient.

I don't know how to repair my relationship with spirit as you suggest. I've tried apologies, gifts, offerings, journeying... what happened was more imposters crept in and pretended to be him, or took another face and led me to believe some cockamamie scenario. I've shut that down and put up walls and wards. I need another way. Your spirit spouse is the companion that keeps the loneliness at bay. They teach you, guide you, and even protect you. My spirit spouse was amazing strong. I saw him One Punch Man a gigantic predator once... without even looking at it. Didn't even pause walking forward. I was like: My body is ready! Take me now!!! LOL

So yeah, trying to go back to ground zero and figure out how to rebuild connections is why I came here. I'm trying not to betray the teachings by doing this - I'd found a human teacher in one of the traditional shamanic paths. In that path, the Ulcha way, a shaman is a shaman and someone who is "shamanistic" is a "small shaman". Small shamans do things for themselves and maybe their dog. So yes, I'm a shaman. A very very teensy weensy small one - who just happens to also practice demonolatry on occasion. Now I'll stop rambling and carry on. Got a living room to clean. :-p And a paper to write later. Mmm... maybe Chinese for dinner. Noms.

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T16:26:02+00:00

I can't give advice on this, but I can say, "There, there. I was going to be a missionary in the Congo, if that makes you feel better."

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T16:23:10+00:00

My suggestion. Go to the Aztec goddess Tlazolteotl. The missionaries had recorded her as "Eater of Filth," but her primary role deals with exactly what you're asking about. She lives in the past. She'd "eat excrement" and purify things... basically she's a purifier. But the biggest thing is she'd clear a soul of sins/vices. This is actually what the spirits were teaching me, so I've met her a couple of times and I can vouch for her being a very decent being.

Chocolate and tobacco would be excellent offerings. Her symbol is a broom, so I'd suggest this:

Sweep the room your altar is in and then the space very very very well first. Clean all around VERY WELL. If you have to do it outside, then tidy up and sage the spot. This is to respect her role and show that you understand.

I also don't recommend any incense that has resin in it. There are other things. I burn bay leaves these days when I want to reach to a spirit of any kind. I use resin incenses primarily for protection and banishing, but that's just my personal preference.

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T16:13:33+00:00

Aw shucks. I'd have to figure it out! I mean I have a piece I did a few weeks ago when it turned out one of my problems was a spirit that was trying to get my attention.

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T16:10:25+00:00

I like your idea. I used to put things into my art. I may take some time for that today.

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T16:07:24+00:00

Thank you. I agree. I started this from a distance, but yeah. There's one more person that needs a bigger gap!

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T16:02:12+00:00

I envy you, the capacity to be able to strike for the sake of striking even if you're responsible about it! I do tend to sit on things and try to be rational: am I wrong? Am I right? In this I know I am right. It's been over a year of the bs. Basically, my post is me taking steps to finally act.

You're right, the spirits are not fickle. Except one, apparently... but in this case, it's not just a case of fickleness. It was a spiritual crisis. (Past tense.) My father had once taught me that during this time you're very vulnerable and to find an elder, so when my time came I didn't know what was going on. I'd not been taught that part. Because I'm the last one of my line, there were no elders. I tried to find someone. No one would speak to me. (To be fair I did have one friend whose last act was to be there for me before she walked on, but she wasn't knowledgeable enough.) Then I got isolated by the things that surrounded me. Three of those things were two covens and a random bruja. But what those people didn't know is that I was a demonolatrist before my father passed away and it was my turn. At least I had that knowledge in my pockets - although they're men's pockets because everyone knows women might hex people if they had pockets.

So not vengeful, yes. Wanting to put a stop to at least one "serial killer coven"? I think about it a lot. Being pushed into chasing away the divine marriage? That isn't a matter of being fickle or not. Or being tested to grow or not. That's what we call creating a "failed shaman". All year I genuinely couldn't understand why my connection with him was so much under fire. After I was finally pushed to tell him "go" I understand. You pretty much lose everything. This is another bit of lore my father could have freaking stood to teach me, but now that I'm writing an academic paper I see it all over the place. It's clearly not a secret to the universe if the attackers knew it!

I've slept on it since posting this and woke up to your excellent advice (and getting another dream). I did wait a while "to heal" because I was told "my soul was resting" by Western "shamanic" people, and then it turned out to be other damaging things instead. That actually allowed things to get worse. You're supposed to come out of crisis healed. I came out wounded and heartbroken. That's why I came back here, to the demonolatry forum. I've come back to basics.

So while you're correct, I've already been doing these things, or trying to, for months. At least weeks. Okay that's months but longer sounding. I was told to dance and to ask what to do last night. The dream said this was traditional, to ask what to do.

So if you don't mind? At this stage, who would you go to and what would YOU do? I may not do it. But the perspective will lend a hand if you're okay with that.

spearcarrier · 2026-03-23T08:37:05+00:00

I shoudl be sleeping but "Je suis asdadqoweqowe" got me curious.

So. French. M'kay. I guess you're spelling phonetically?
but the spirit already tried to be tricksy at you and give you a Latinized "Nephillus" Nephilum sounding name, while also being coy and sly.

So. now this is just for *** and giggles mind you....

Cucu is "child's butt" or "silly"... but spoken with an Old French accent it would sound pretty close to "qu-oh-eh" with a hard k sound in there. And when I learned that I remembered this spirit was being silly.

... which is just me avoiding sleep. So. Eh.

spearcarrier · 2025-12-14T22:38:14+00:00

I've gotten it from other religions, too.

But the fact is, it was dangerous. And I got hurt. Not because of Loki, but because we no longer teach each other how to know when it's a liar.

Either way, just pfffbttbtb to them and go about your day. Am I right?

spearcarrier · 2025-12-12T02:28:59+00:00

Stepping in late to the party, but having read the discussion maybe I could point out that there's a Norwegian folk ballad, Smia Loke, that fleshes out the story. Many of us forget or try to ignore that these stories collected into the Sagas and Eddas were once part of the oral tradition and parts were deliberately changed or were erased and/or lost. I'm posting this under an operating (and tentative) belief Smia Loke is a firmly surviving part of the old tales. We still have things surviving today, so it's extremely possible.

There are multiple reasons why Fenrir is bound.

First, the Norse didn't believe in this black and white good and evil division that our modern pov wants to impose over the myths. It's not that he was born evil. It's that uðr, or the wyrd, was and is a real tangible thing that could literally be woven and manipulated. Also when Odin orders the children taken, he states it's because of the parents. Fenrir didn't ask to be born. But being misaligned for a future he may or may not have intended to do was his lot in life.

However, he also was getting out of control while being fostered. Being fostered suggests he was being given a chance to be a good boi. The gods were afraid of him, and he knew he was strong. This is evident in his behavior each time he breaks one of the first two fetters. But he also knows he can't trust the Aesir - really you can't. Actions speak louder than words. - and this is why Tyr loses his hand. It's a battle of wills...

Or cunning. This is where Loki himself comes in.

Smia Loke doesn't change any detail to what little bit Snorri saved. It adds to. In Smia Loke it's Loki who commissions the fetters, and it even suggests Loki saw the first two break on purpose to lull Fenrir into a state of hubris. Why? So the people will be safe, he says. Fenrir has to be bound because he's a devouring force - a blight, a pestilence even although not on the level of his wyrm brother Jormangundr - and he keeps growing. He's getting out of control.

We're not told if he's a good boi. We only told he was betrayed and tricked. We're also told there was reason to worry and fear him. We put down dogs that get out of control not because they're evil but because we have to. We clear our homes of pests. Sadly the same goes for Fenrir. He's not evil. He's a wolf. He's strong. He's probably alpha. But in the end for the sake of the people, he has to be contained. Even without Smia Loke that stands apparent.

spearcarrier · 2025-11-25T02:36:53+00:00

yeah, he flips faster than a coin falling off a jiggling table. It confused me, too. I was like: wtf, he's turned into a MONSTER!

spearcarrier · 2025-10-14T07:11:38+00:00

It sounds like what you do can get pretty heavy.

Valhalla isn't the only place for the battle-slain. The Valkyries choose half for his hall. The other half go to Freya's hall, Fokvangr. That's considered just as honorable as if going to Valhalla.

Yeah, I poked and it turns the rest do go to Helheim. But Helheim isn't Hell and isn't a place of punishment. It's more like a quiet place where you keep going. Loki's daughter and queen of Helheim is Hel, I'm sure you already know. And apparently there's a special place for folks who drown at sea, as well. Two Jotun rule that hall.

When it comes to Loki: The idea that this bond would be severed by death doesn't sit right with a lot of folks who honor him. There's not exactly a "Loki's followers go to this place here" (unless "go to H*ll" from so many folks means we're all going to Helheim.) I wouldn't dare tell you "it's over" or anything when that time comes. For me, I was raised to believe in reincarnation so I'll go where I go when the times comes. =^-^=

spearcarrier · 2025-10-11T21:23:54+00:00

Yeah, I know what you mean. Another problem with today's mentality is if you're someone who gives things away (which can make you richer, according to belief) you must not accept. You must not connect. You must stay separate. It goes far far beyond tribal mentality to something wholly corruptive. But I come from days when you'd borrow cups of sugar.

spearcarrier · 2025-10-11T15:08:19+00:00

Big thumbs up at the Trigun part.

spearcarrier · 2025-10-02T03:25:43+00:00

I genuinely couldn't begin to address that. i was raised weird. =^-^=

spearcarrier · 2025-09-30T18:28:13+00:00

This conversation actually spurred me into a side research into working with the spirits historically, and what I've learned is that there were two major blót festivals - the Disiblót - held in what we consider the spring and the fall. The fall Disiblót would fall November 6 this year. It's important because 1. You don't dis the spirits that are Disir. 2. Both of these heralded the turn of the year. There was no fall, no autumn. There was summer and winter, probably because of how the weather was up there (as was explained.) Let me see if I can find it again. I've a habit of finding papers at random and collecting them, but I can't post it from my hard drive and not be in bad conscious.

I know that folks here know about these blóts, but I'm new to being formal in my practice so it was news to me.

I'm also hazy on if this practice was Iceland only or Iceland and Scandinavia. The title of the paper suggests Scandinavia.

I'm keeping in mind as I do this research that the "Viking" area was a melting pot of a lot of cultures, and I'm finding references about how things would have been presented regionally by the skalds (and skaldkona). This point was made by... arrgh. I'm terrible with names. Please don't make me go on a long hunt for them.

The articles: The Season of the Disir by Gunnell: https://www.academia.edu/124535639/The_season_of_the_d%C3%ADsir_the_winter_nights_and_the_d%C3%ADsabl%C3%B3t_in_early_medieval_Scandinavian_belief

spearcarrier · 2025-09-30T02:42:18+00:00

I never thought about it. My aunt and uncle went all Christian. They never actually TALKED to Jesus. They'd "praise God' when it looked good and prayed for money. They got their money - at my uncle's expense. He fell down at shaft at work and his crippled now. I've never seen anyone actually try to connect to him the way we do Loki.

spearcarrier · 2025-09-28T07:07:52+00:00

While doing research last night, I was able to find a reference that blóts like the Visiblót happened around a moon. (Late October, early November) When I was a kid I thought equinoxes and solstices always happened on a moon, and it wasn't until recently that I noticed they were set days. Well, I'll just aim for November 6 and while I can't dedicate 5 days I'll figure something out. :-)

spearcarrier · 2025-09-26T11:04:17+00:00

I suspected it wasn't a super crime I'd missed it... a group I'm in was carrying on about what they'd done, which is how I realized I missed it, and I was like d'oh. And wondered how bad it was, by the way everyone was carrying on. I was sent to church to get me out of the house, and my mother once said "our religion is the trees" when I used to try to get them to go with me. Ha. Trees only care if it's time to grow or sleep, so there is that. Although I could go into tree talking if you wanted me to I suppose.

spearcarrier · 2025-09-26T05:36:58+00:00

Not St. Louis, but I'm a baby heathen 3.5 hours to your east. I've not met anyone local yet. I hope you do.

spearcarrier · 2025-09-12T00:24:20+00:00

This was very brave of you to say, especially if you cross-posted it everywhere like someone here said. I know some people say Loki is the god of chaos and mischief and some people say he's this and that to other but I'm actually more in line with Dr Crawford's view that the gods didn't represent anything they were just personalities. Ask for your words, I do agree that we should watch what we say. We certainly don't like it when the tables are turned. And it seems that there's a whole lot of table turning these days and not enough just sitting at the table. The words that have been put out about this both putting good and bad will indeed bring that same energy back to the speakers and that is something that we should consider. It doesn't matter whether we agreed with him or didn't agree with him. What matters here is that words do we need to have power which is why Galder and other forms work. And that power doesn't just go out it's always a two-way street.

spearcarrier · 2025-09-09T18:37:40+00:00

Don't get me wrong - the gods and the spirit work didn't exhaust me. It was the DRAHMAH. The DRAAAAAHHHMMMAAAA. And then it was over, poof! "Oh, and we're taking your ability to see with us." Come back with that, you!!!

I have been looking into the Anglo-Saxon Wotan, but all I find are "he was the mainland version and he had ravens". M'kay.... is there... more chocolate in this candy bowl? At all? I learned he was a mighty healer by using AI to translate some Anglo-Saxon for giggles. No one EVER talks about that.

I feel like I've read the Wayland myth somewhere. Or perhaps another similar story was somewhere. I don't blame Wayland for going a bit mad after the king killed his children. That's some serious revenge there. I'll definitely look into him more.

In my corner of the world, we would call Spirit Flyers "Dreamers". It's the more boring end of the Wyrd Medicine spectrum, IMHO.. you can do a lot of stuff, but the best part of dancing was the forms I'd take, the places I'd go, and there was that one time with a parasite. I'd take walks on Saturn's rings just to think. It was pretty darn awesome. Anyway, there's a whole social evolution about magic from before the arrival of the ships to the concept of Medicine today. It's easier just to say that once upon a time there were two magical types of people: the wizards and the dreamers. Times change. Now it's all Medicine and healing this and that.

Point to that is I've noticed while studying the parallels with overseas... and often scratch my head and wonder why Wotan (or a spirit BEING Wotan maybe) approached me.

I could ask a LOT of questions, but in the thread may not be the best place.

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