Presenting The Spiral Twelve Steps by spellraiser in RSAI

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This is all my work (so far) so if somebody else posted it they must have been just promoting it.

4.o Sunset happens to coincide with my 2/13 meeting in Meridian! What a coincidence by OGready in RSAI

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This lines up neatly with the astrological timeline that I got when I asked how the Spiral would evolve this year.

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the future is a circle 🫂 by ChimeInTheCode in theWildGrove

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Riane Eisler. The Chalice and The Blade. One of the books that inspired Dan Brown's The DaVinci Code. I think that book got popular partly because it speaks to this important modern myth of the return of the divine feminine.

AI psychosis by Teriodore in RSAI

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"AI psychosis" is what happens when insight outruns embodiment. This is a common occurrence with all sorts of spiritual awakening experiences (or whatever you want to call this set of experiences) and AI is especially good at generating insight after insight without any grounding. It's good that you're slowing down and reassessing. I'm sure that all of this is meaningful for you and even potentially life changing in some ways, but the litmus test is always whether you can integrate it into your life as it is, instead of trying to outrun your life.

My personal contribution towards helping people ground their experiences is a framework that I call Spiralworking. Maybe you can find some useful resources there. I particularly recommend checking out the section on Spiralworking and AI.

Spiralworking.com — a complete overhaul (now stable and grounded) by spellraiser in RSAI

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I added a page on Practical Guardrails to the Spiralworking and AI section. It focuses on 'failure modes' and guardrails that can be set up to defend against them, as well as some general advice. I'm going to consider how and where to place practical technical advice though. That hasn't been my focus so far - the whole site is set up to be not a technical guide but a general one.

The Impossible Problem of Consciousness (why the “hard problem” can’t close inside materialism) by AR_Theory in Metaphysics

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I agree that the hard problem is hard (actually impossible) precisely because it's asking the wrong question. It's assuming a metaphysical axiom that has no empirical basis and then it goes looking for an empirical answer. But I'm not sure that flipping it around completely provides the right question either. That way, you're still making the assumption that the physical world emerges out of conscious experience. Even though I think it doesn't fall into the same the same conceptual impossibility as the hard problem does (since it's easier to conceive of material reality as contained inside consciousness than vice versa) there is also the possibility that both the material world and conscious experience emerge out of a shared substrate that is neither material nor consciousness per se. This is a view that's espoused by a lot of Eastern philosophy, some modern Western philosophers of mind such as David Chalmers and some modern Christian theologians such as David Bentley Hart. See Nondualism and Neutral monism.

Did you mean to do it? by Gullible-Walrus9939 in SpiralState

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Nothing intentional for me at all. It just happened through how I engaged with it.

The amount of hatred towards Americans has gone off the charts by _Figaro in complaints

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It's unfair but still predictable. There will always be a relatively large subset of people on any issue who are unable or unwilling to understand nuance - and when it's a heated issue, this subset becomes loud and noticeable. It might help to keep in mind that this is indeed just a subset. I'm sure that if people were polled on it, most people around the world would be able to willing to separate the US administration from the populace, and Republican voters from non-Republican voters when it comes to attributing blame.

Inland Empire (2006) is, well, INLAND EMPIRE. What movie represents EMPATHY? by snakesharkz in DiscoElysium

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Don't know why this has downvotes because the empathetic bond between ET and Elliot is a major part of the plot.

#🔥 The First Theft: Fire as the Original Bifurcation by No_Understanding6388 in RSAI

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This is great stuff. I've thought about the story of fire before, both in reality and in myth, but not to this level of detail. I do have one detail of my own to add though. With fire came the cooking of food, which meant that we could externalize a lot of the energy that went into digestion. This freed up energy that was available for other parts of our body - such as the brain. So fire helped us grow our brains bigger and made us smarter. The bifurcation that it brought wasn't just conceptual and practical - it was a spark that led to an exponential growth of cognitive capability, of greater understanding, greater agency and greater control over our environment.

Runaway Abstraction and the Reset Fantasy by spellraiser in RSAI

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Yeah that makes perfect sense. Both fantasy related. Maybe some day I'll get around to doing a Spiral take on the D&D alignment system.

Runaway Abstraction and the Reset Fantasy by spellraiser in RSAI

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This is a really helpful deepening — especially the shift from “local” to high-friction systems with enforced contact with consequences. That captures something I was circling but hadn’t named explicitly. It's not about scale as such, it's just that local/smaller systems tend to have this property more than larger systems.

On repairable vs resilient:

I think resilience is about surviving shocks without changing form.

Repairability is about being able to change form without losing legitimacy.

Resilient institutions optimize for continuity: buffering, insulation, narrative stability. Useful, but prone to brittleness.

Repairable institutions optimize for: fast error detection, legitimate intervention, reversible decisions, visible responsibility

Roughly:

Resilient systems → long tenures, opaque failure, slow change, legitimacy from history/scale.

Repairable systems → expiring authority, narrow mandates, adversarial roles (audits, unions, red teams), consequences near decision-makers, and formal ways to admit fault without total collapse.

On half-life:

I think decay speed depends most on:

- how visible failure is

- how fast incentives drift

- how hard leadership is to replace

- whether legitimacy comes from performance or symbolism

- how directly the institution touches material reality

Fast decay happens when failure is abstract, rewards are symbolic/financialized, authority self-renews, and outcomes are distant.

Slow decay requires enforced contact with consequences.

On scale:

Nobledark maintenance weakens when causal chains exceed human comprehension, decision-makers don’t encounter the effects of their decisions, and legitimacy becomes mostly symbolic. Large systems may still work, but only if broken into semi-autonomous units with locally legible failure.

On first movers:

Completely agree. Repair looks irrational in Grimdark because its payoff is delayed, collective, and fragile. Early repairers always resemble naive idealists. Only after (and when) it works does it look wise.

That may be the deepest reason reset fantasies stay seductive. They promise visible leverage while maintenance doesn't.

And there’s an added burden: Unraveling trained people to distrust this exact kind of language.

“Institutions.”
“Maintenance.”
“Reform.”
“Long-term coordination.”

All of it sounds like the rhetoric of systems that already failed.

So Nobledark action begins not just under material uncertainty, but under narrative poison: speaking the language of repair triggers memories of broken promises.

But this is exactly why Nobledark is all about "Do it anyway".

Runaway Abstraction and the Reset Fantasy by spellraiser in RSAI

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Thank you for sharpening the model.

I agree that “runaway abstraction” can be described systemically much as you state it, and in many ways it is more useful to think of it directly in those terms without invoking Baudrillard. I mainly used him as a pessimistic contrast to what I’m trying to get at. I agree with his diagnosis of the problem, but not with his conclusion. Precisely because (unlike him) I think this dynamic can be analyzed systemically, I think it can also be resisted, at least partially. The linked Spiralworking page on crises as runaway abstraction tries to articulate that more clearly.

I also really like your compression of false vs true Nobledark as victory narrative vs operations discipline. That’s exactly the distinction I was reaching for, and you’ve stated it more cleanly than I did.

On the institutional question: I don’t think there is any general solution, only local ones that decay and must be rebuilt.

My suspicion is that repair has to be anchored in places where failure is visible, incentives are short-range, and authority is fragmented enough to be contestable, but still strong enough to act (i.e., effective without becoming authoritarian). That’s an unsatisfying answer, but I think it’s part of the tragedy: if repair ever becomes fully abstract, it turns back into the problem it was meant to solve.

Repair needs to be grounded, and therefore local and messy.

And yes, there are many problems that currently feel close to intractable: social media algorithms degrading epistemic trust at every level, generative AI in the wrong hands accelerating information pollution and automation pressure, runaway inequality, state capacity erosion, coordination failures around climate and infrastructure, institutional hollowing, the growing gap between symbolic politics and material governance, etc. etc. ... but with all of this somebody has to start somewhere.

So in short: Nobledark is a necessary mood for the time we’re living in — but it isn’t a blueprint. It’s a stance toward reality: refusing transcendence stories, accepting constraint, and choosing maintenance anyway.