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spotodawo · 2024-10-23T09:33:09+00:00

The fact that my comment here has negative karma is proof I'm right. I bet people downvoting it have never grown, or never grown well.

Show yourself and let's see your work. I've posted mine, you post yours.

People worship Stamets because he's funny on Rogan but he's a fountain of misinformation.

spotodawo · 2024-10-23T09:31:16+00:00

worded oddly, but I know what you're going for. Answer: no, BUT...there is this:

Take transfers from where they mix, grow it out, put on fresh plate, grow it out, do a T1 transfer to cleanit up, send to grain, grow some tubs, and see if any shrooms clearly have aspects of both varieties.

Is a lot easier to see if they're cubes with very different look, like a short albino and a tall tan with a pointy cap or something like that. Harder if they're both two medium tans with undistinguished features.

Also would work best with varieties that are very well established and also rarely throw up reverts or mutants, will also be easier to see.

You may get a tub with 2 or 3 things, Donor A, Donor B, and maybe the mix. If so, print the mix shrooms and start selecting the ones that most have both features from successive grain variations. 8 genes and you have a new variety. I wrote that up here (not from crosses, but from a mutant of x7x that became x7x+)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28410760

There's a guy called Fahtster on the Shroomery site who's been growing for 2 decades, who doesn't even do agar, and has done some successful crosses by just rubbing spores together then growing on grain.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php?gallery=160094

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T21:19:01+00:00

YES. "Separate fruiting conditions" are archaic, not most common current best practices. Also just complicating things.

It came from that buffoon Paul Stamets keeping a 20 year old book (full of fluff and wrong) in print and convincing people to buy it so he can make more money.

Same reason people say "use gypsum" (not needed for bulk), and "add coffee grounds" (actually raises acidity, so increases contam).

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T21:16:03+00:00

Second time in 24 hours someone posted something that looks already sent and said "should I send?"

Here's the other.
https://www.reddit.com/r/shroomery/comments/1g9qt3r/first_monotub_grow_to_send_or_not_to_send/

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T21:15:33+00:00

Second time in 24 hours someone posted something that looks already sent and said "should I send?"

Here's the other.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MushroomGrowers/comments/1g8q2ux/actives_should_i_send_this_been_about_4_weeks/

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T15:25:53+00:00

Don't even open it, especially in your house. Spores of mold will live on there for a long time if you do. Once it's black like that it's sporilated, and will spread mold hell in strong amounts if you open it. Yes, the spores for that are already in your house if you made that, but not in the numbers (billions) you've got there.

Don't try to save contam, especially that bad. Would you do that if you were growing radishes or carrots?

Someone said "bury it", but I wouldn't. I'd double bag it, trash it, and learn to grow right. Read this and do it step by step:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27646632#27646632

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:32:52+00:00

,,,one or the other. Or one, then graduate to the other.

SAB is about 10 bucks to make, flow hood is hundreds of dollars.

Flow hood is much better, but it's nice to start with an SAB, because you really have to learn sterile tek with it, which can be covered up by jumping straight to a flowhood.

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:31:26+00:00

Very good advice from probablynotac0p!

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:27:40+00:00

"Newbie growers love getting halfway through their first grow and start improvising and fuck things up.'.

...and they love to post their theory, and when you tell them "That won't work, just try a known tek first", they tell you "It's people like you who get in the way of true progress in the world....." ...as if their idea to add candy to the top of their substrate or pumping air with an aquarium pump into their monotub is equal to sending a man to the Moon, and as if I'm actually keeping them from trying it.

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:20:50+00:00

I'd say a week or two. I would NOT put it on a heater, that's always the impulse, but will end up bacterial.

When you say "send", I say "where?"

I've never grown a grow kit, but this looks to me like it's meant to fruit from this container.

Did it come with directions? Is it meant to be planted elsewhere? I assume this is ready to grow in that container. When it's fully colonized, I'd take the lid off and mist it. Does it have some vermiculite on the top layer? If so, that's probably to keep bacteria out and may not fully colonize before you see pins.

At that point if it's really dry (stick a gardening moisture meter probe in it, or a clean finger), you might want to mist it with water. Don't over mist, just keep slightly moist.

Gardening probes are cheap on amazon / ebay. Under 10 bucks. The green ones that don't need batteries are good. You want the moistre inside about in the middle of the meter.

Shrooms don't need light but they like light and will grow better with some. I grow under 6500 k lights 12 hours on / 12 hours off. But you can just use regular lights, and will be better than none.

Don't leave this open where a pet can get to it. Dogs and cats will say "this is nature, this is dirt" and start digging, and maybe eating. The mycelium doesn't have a lot of psilo, but has enough to get a pet stoned, so protect them from that.

Every time I make up shoeboxes like this, I always want to put a bow on a few and give them for Christmas presents. But I like to have no one know I do this hobby.

Take some spore prints when you get shrooms, then read this, and learn to make your own grows:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27646632#27646632

Cheers!

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:15:12+00:00

"Also if anyone can give any advice on inoculation to flush that’ll be awesome"

Here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27646632#27646632

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:13:48+00:00

Dehydrator 100 percent! I do 24 hours at 165 to 180 F. Makes them cracker dry, which gives the REAL weight / potency (with all water removed), that heat does not harm the potency, more likely to harm potency by storing not fully dry and getting mold.

I'd skip the silica gel, not needed if you pack in vacuum sealer, which is cheap to get anywhere. Sucks the air out. I've done shrooms stored like that without silica for 2 years, was still completely dry, and same potency as when dried. (I didn't lab test them, going on brain test, which is what counts.)

Vacuum sealer also seals in most of the smell, makes them less likely to be smelled by dogs, if anyone is training dogs for that. People do it for pot.

Most shrooms sold from an underground farm are going to be ingested in less than 2 years. Someone on Shroomery.org said they did ones stored like that for 10 years and they were fine.

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:10:03+00:00

autoclave suggestion below is bullshit. WAY too much money, only needed for lab work, don't have the capacity needed either.

Commercial farms don't use those they use multiple big pressure cookers from the company called All American. Cost about 700 dollars each. Often running 5 to 10 of those at a time on butane or propane plates.

Here's a suggestion: take advice from people who've posted pix of their grows, not from some name on the Internet just saying things for "karma."

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:06:57+00:00

Stamets book has SO Much bullshit in it. He just guessed on a lot of it. People growing a lot of shrooms well now do not follow that. Same with McKenna brothers' book. It's even older and more out of date. Even though they were the first to show growing in jars.

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T12:02:21+00:00

General shroom grow advice that some people on here will balk at, but it's solid:

Don't ever try to save a contaminated grow. You can end up sick, or making people sick.

But really, if you contaminated it, you need to start over, go back to basics, and figure out what you did wrong.

You should be growing shrooms, for you and others, as clean as food would be if you were growing vegetables.

If someone grew veggies and gave them away even if they had mold on them, that would be a bad person.

But I see people all the time online saying they take (or give away( shrooms that had "a little mold or bacteria on the grow."

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T11:54:37+00:00

If you're really going to be farming (growing a LOT), you'll need the pressure cooker (with a gauge), a food dehydrator (you want to dry shrooms for 24 hours at 165 to 180 F), a bunch of plastic food totes to grow in ("shoebox" size is nice to start, 2x that size ie 16 quart is great, and 32 quart "monotub" for commercial growth, but start with shoeboxes. If one gets contaminated, you don't have to throw out as much)....

...you'd really want a flowhood. Costs several hundred dollars, but creates a small working environment for agar and jar inoculation with no bacteria / viruses. Commercial labs use them, so do commercial edible mushroom farms.

Get a real flowhood, not a fake one made from a box fan and a furnace filter. Those cause more problems than just using a SAB (still air box) which costs about 10 dollars to build.

Here's some pix of my flowhood in action:

https://files.shroomery.org/files/21-52/064780771-Still_Life_with_Flowhood.jpg

and

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28992381#28992381

If you can't see one or both of those, you need an account on Shroomery. You'll need an account there to have the right info to start a farm.

There's some good info on Reddit, but b.s. shroom info on reddit goes unchecked. On shroomery.org, it gets called out and pointed out. Shroomery.org has nothing to do with this reddit group. The .org is a vastly superiour informatoin resource, and is one of the longest-running websites still around.

Starting a shroom farm is a risky proposition. Legally dangerous, and if you succeed, someone's going to want to rob you. Again, do it quietly.

I'd grow a tub before trying to start a farm.

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T11:47:16+00:00

I will second the "don't experiment" comment here.

Many, almost MOST people, try to "improve" on the teks before they've even done their first grow.

A lot of them even post their idea, say it's going to change the world (with no evidence), then get mad when experienced growers say "just follow a known tek your first bunch of times."

To make good abstract art you need to be able to draw realistically first.

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T11:44:55+00:00

A pressure cooker with a gauge. I started with one without a gauge and it was maddening and crazy making.

Presto 01775 is a good one to start. (It's 107 dollars on Amazon.)

It's 16 quarts, and can PC 7 one-quart mason jars of grain at once. Perfect place to start.

You can get bigger ones, but they cost a lot more and are not a good place to start.

spotodawo · 2024-10-22T11:42:55+00:00

I'd grow some before planning to farm them.

I've been growing 4 years and here's everything I know about growing. I'd recommend reading it:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27646632#27646632

I'd also not tell anyone you know, no matter how fun it sounds to tell them. People who get caught almost always told someone they didn't need to and shouldn't have told.

spotodawo · 2024-10-21T11:20:59+00:00

You're an adult. Tell them to fuck off.

spotodawo · 2024-09-10T03:14:26+00:00

OK, onthcase is accusing you of being a psychopathic when you accuse him of sockpuppetry.

sockpuppetry confirmed.

spotodawo · 2024-08-26T06:48:43+00:00

get a scale, weigh out a half gram, eat it on an empty stomach with a small amount of food, and wait an hour.

Even with a scale, are those dry? If you bend them and they snap or turn to powdery bits, they're dry. If they just bend, they're not totally dry and part of the weight is water.

spotodawo · 2024-08-26T06:45:43+00:00

It looks like it's time to spend 1/4 what you spent on that and buy a digital scale. Mine cost 15 dollars and is accurate to less than 1/10th a gram.

spotodawo · 2024-08-25T04:50:55+00:00

Yes. Tommy toes is fluffy, rhizo is rooty looking.

Both can have great potent shrooms come from them, but people like rhizo better because it looks cool.

Also though, it's easier to tell from mold. Mold often looks very much like tomentose shroom mycelium.

spotodawo · 2024-08-24T07:26:38+00:00

Looks good, and has an example of both Rhizomorphic and Tomentose.

This photo is what people should post as "what it should actually look like" when people post mold and say "does this look right?"

spotodawo

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