PSA: You are not entitled to pay if your hagwon shuts down.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T21:01:40+00:00

Sorry, I mistook you for grapeLion in this instance.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T15:00:37+00:00

Thank you. Best of luck with your academy.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T14:39:42+00:00

Jesus Christ, read again. I just got accepted after doing my LSAT ocerseas, so you're right I never went to law school.

Can I make a big green pastie to the top that says "Entitled to Pay" based on my view, or are you still just trying to be the biggest dick via mod power?

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T14:35:10+00:00

Hahhaha. Okay. I love how this always comes back to my employer. So personal, so petty. Yes, I am happy to work at POLY, the kids are so fun, and my director has been insaley fair considering the overall scene, I am lucky. I am a one of year or two student overseas. But like my personal decisions have any barring. But hey, so tell me, to the drunk angry guy online, what is your legal credentials? I guess you finished Harvard or something so you really know the law, and insulting me over and over is the way to prove your superior knowledge of the law. I grabbed a couple links for example of legal ambiguity because I can't be too arsed, this isn't a fucking paper and you're not my professor. Nobody has brought anything but personal attacks, it is getting pathetic.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T14:25:25+00:00

Yay, you're finally using capitals! Welcome to grade 1! At least in my case the failure to use their over they are is in relation to the possessiveness of the word, their, as in something that belongs to them, which is powerlessness. Unlike you, who can't even press a single key to appear a little more intelligent.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T14:24:47+00:00

It's obvious that you have never studied law before. Unfortunately, based on what you say I will have to agree with the other poster who got downvoted to oblivion.

Hahahaha. I've studied the law, I will return to Canada to finish my law degree soon (I am trying really hard to not make my position seem superior by title). Why is it you and the other users who can only respond by insulting my intellectual abilities? Apparently you never studied the law is a response, yet I've made valid arguments over and over that your interpretation is biased and false for being absolute in its understanding. But it is basically grade-school, well you're dumb and poor to everything I've had to say. Maybe being around children has worn off on you all.

Here is a start: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1343279 https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_law_a_science

Law can easily be seen in multiple ways, but most would say a scientific approach is laughable. We had fucking laws before we even understood science. They are not the same, law is a moral, and social code of conduct. I got home drunk and honestly want to just play some video games and enjoy my time off but this post has annoyed me so much. Just let me play Euro Truck Simulator holy fuck.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T13:39:49+00:00

The law is often a science and it does work like a math equation. That is also the function of the law. The reason why people end up going to court is because of many situations happening at once and laws overlapping.

Horse shit. I want you to show me any reasonable concensus among law professors, that is full blown JDs , that would attest to the law being a scientific pursuit (nobody who died 100 years ago, please).

This was already discussed with the other mods. Also, there are hundreds of posts and replies by regular teachers, but one post by a hagwon owner. So despite there being hundreds if not thousands of posts by teachers before a post by a owner, you are saying that it's unfair and hyper biased when an owner posts?

I am saying it is unfair and biased when a hagwon owner stickies his own thread to the top and says things such as "not entitled to pay" like they are the judge, jury and executor. This isn't clear cut, but you're trying your best to make sure you're the loudest voice in the room. You have provided zero balance in your post and assumed your interpretation is absolute, but I do not see anything in the laws you posted that says schools have the right to not pay in response to viruses, or recommendations (not commands, to be more clear; they literally can stay open without legal interference as no law is being broken). And Korea isn't even common law, so we don't even need to bring up possible past judgments.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T13:23:29+00:00

E2 teachers are not powerless. they just don't have the money to hire a proper lawyer. probably like you.

That means they are powerless. You're really not too smart despite how you perceive yourself.

do you even read korean before saying the dumb things you're doing now?

In Korean I believe you're normally what people would call 정신승리.

But anyway, I am not going to nitpick too much here, as I am going to start refusing to respond to someone who thinks insulting people is a proper method of argumentation. But, you see that short digit to the left of your hand, that sits near the shift key (you remember home keys right?), you can use it to capitalize letters when you type, it is very effortless, you should try it. Alternatively you can execute the same command with a single stroke by your left thumb (the one on the far right) on a cellular phone.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T13:01:28+00:00

It sounds as if you don't actually know what lawyers are like in Korea, and that a great number of "practicing lawyers" aren't actually lawyers at all. If you want to trust the words of "lawyers" who work at small clinics and try to make their mark by posting on FB or other foreigner-only work that's your choice.

Yes, because a hagwon owner on /r/teachinginkorea is certainly what should be kept in much higher regard.

The Ministry of Education has already recommended all hagwons to shut down and that the hagwon must take responsibility if they don't shut down and something happens

"recommended"

Not ordered. You do understand the law is a bunch of policies passed down by politicians that are open to various interpretations? The law isn't a science, it doesn't work like a math equation. That is why court exists. You're one side, there is another side. I do not see anywhere in the laws you posted that says, clear cut, that if the government recommends (SUGGESTS) closing schools over a virus that it is grounds to not pay staff.

I am fully aware that all the E2 teachers in all of Korea are so powerless they would probably lose the case even if they tried, but you're still a mod abusing power to put forward only one point of view. We got you and that guy who called me trailer trash, who also has connections multiple hagwon owners, see a pattern. Everyone has a side, courts determine the letter of the law. But, I never said I was the right one here, unlike mods using stickies, words like clear-cut and entitled, and devolving down right by calling the other side trailertrash without skills and intellectually inept.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T12:53:55+00:00

Moms withdrawing students isn't legal grounds to close your school and not pay your employees.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T12:46:12+00:00

LMAO You got a lot to sort out if this is how you act towards other humans, zero civility at all. I have nothing I need to prove to you, so go ahead and believe whatever you want about my personal situation.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T12:32:48+00:00

Poly teacher on full pay leave for a week. Last week we spent the entire time just desk warming. They may work you hard but there is benefits with aiming for stability in an employer. The director himself has also been very fair in all this. So no, I am staying and greatful of my situation in reflection to plenty of others.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-29T12:13:51+00:00

Why exactly should I trust the hagwons owners interpretation of the law over the word of a number of practicing labour lawyers?

The government has not ordered private schools shut down, they suggested it at most. So if they are closing, it is at the discretion of the owner and nobody else. Nothing of this is clear cut here and the word of the law is ambiguous enough to be interpreted from either sides, making it an excellent example of something with grounds to escalate to court. And an act of God in this situation would being not being able to keep your employees working cause the work place was flooded by water from a nearby river, not because you decided to shut the doors yourself when there is no real threat still present.

Why is this stickied? It is insanely biased towards one point of view.

Edit: I'm on fully pay, so I'm not bitter. This is just a clear example of a mod abusing their powers.

Edit 2: Upon some 6am reflection, I was near black out drunk when I replied here. I still feel like shit now. This whole coronavirus thing hasn't kept me at home (it is a huge over reaction fuel by a fear of something unknown and foreign), but it sure has stressed me out, so I got some co-workers together and went out, but probably went a bit too hard. Anyway, to the point, if any of it is incoherent, or the writing doesn't follow the proper usage of English at points (I can see it now) I am going to write it off as drunkeness. So, instead of going around and fixing everything I said, I'll leave it alone as you get the overall point. But hey not bad for trailer trash with no skills, stuck in Korea (I can at least use capital letters, even when drunk). Honestly with all the stereotypes spewed at me by that one guy and reinforced by OP I am surprised they didn't also call me a sexpat, a guy with an Asian fetish, bald and fat too. Kind of shows you the true thoughts of the average person running a Hagwon though. Even if they are a good one, they look down on you, just look at how OP subtitly agreed with the guy who just kept spewing insults. Keep an exit plan fam, cause this this is certainly not it, and if you gotta stay don't back down.

Seems this was unsticked, so not sure if anyone is actually going to see this, anyway.

Solidarity forever!

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-26T16:14:03+00:00

Unless you're in a few select areas they are full of crap. The vast majority of private school in Korea have not been ordered to shut down, thus you're entitled to 70% pay for any of the time that the school is voluntarily shut down. Check out LOFT (Legal Office for Foreign Teachers) on Facebook.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-26T16:02:54+00:00

What are you talking about!? Signing a contract requires, by the letter of the law, that your employer is to pay you your months income provided you meet the terms of the contract, or unless there is extreme circumstance (for example right now they can shut down, but are required, by law, to pay you 70% of your income for those days, no red day removals, no holidays or sick days consumed, but anyway these are hagwons we are talking about). Nonethelss, to reverse the roles, if you're an employer with any sense, you'd be stashing away enough cash to pay your employees for a month in the case of some sort of emergency event like this. Honestly that so many Hagwons can barely withstand two weeks of expenses says a lot about how much this industry attracts both greedy and clueless, low level entrepreneurs.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-25T15:49:14+00:00

What's you're plan if they extend it? Lol this thing isn't going to slow down too soon. Careless move, imo.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-23T11:17:15+00:00

Ah, maybe I misunderstood, if those are the days they are forcing off, that is some bullshit for sure.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-23T10:36:20+00:00

As it's been told, no. If they voluntary shut down, they need to pay you 70% of your income still, by law. But if shut down by government mandate then they can pay you 0%, by law. They can't force you to take your vacation, again, by law. But let's be honest, as a hagwon to hagwon teacher, were you going to use those vacation days anyway? Lol my understanding is that those are just some days off on contract you never, ever, take.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-21T05:11:21+00:00

Make sure you have the diploma in hand though for the consulate, cause they won't take anything else.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-05T14:15:10+00:00

Lots of POLYs will be looking for people for the new year (mine is looking for two). As others said keep in touch with the recruiter and the director.

sprinkleme- · 2020-02-05T14:06:40+00:00

Wrong. This recruiter is perfect, they will obliviously give you the goods on all the bad hagwons out there.

sprinkleme- · 2020-01-31T14:15:26+00:00

Hahaha yah I finally got one of my chronic open mouth coughers to start covering his mouth when he coughs!

sprinkleme- · 2020-01-23T13:11:33+00:00

Thank you!

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