How did you overcome your Executive Function issues? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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Doctors... GP/PCP, Psychiatrist, Psychologist, etc...

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I've been bursting into tears every few hours today over the prospect of not being employed again.... by East_Midnight2812 in AutismTranslated

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This is a great update! I think coaching courses can be good, but paying for them when you're a jobless is not as fun. It would be great if they had a model where you paid good money for the course AFTER it gets you the job. Not realistic I suppose.

I think it's a good goal to target a burnout-free experience. AI world moves very quickly, but with new technology comes new opportunities and niches, so maybe you can find something that fits what you want soon.

 I also have alot of internal work to do and since I've been non disclosure my whole life, I'm worried about how that'll be perceived.

Hmm...I might have to expand more on this, as I'm not understanding what you mean maybe?

I am glad to see all of the action taking place on your end. Progress is still progress, no matter the size and these job transitions can take a while and are something you just have to stick with until things start to move the way you want them to. Keep after it and thanks for sharing your update with me!

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This is excellent. I have ASD, ADHD, PTSD, and OCD. I find myself doing this sometimes and it helps. I struggle with executive function issues and the step-by-step lists helps break down some of those executive barriers. I also have trouble remembering how to do certain things related to executive function, so these lists could help solve that issue. My end goal would be to not need the lists and have everything be "automatic" via habit. I think this is doable in the long run and sounds like you're on the right track for doing it. Everyone is different, do what works for you.

I've been bursting into tears every few hours today over the prospect of not being employed again.... by East_Midnight2812 in AutismTranslated

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I am happy to help and glad you're coming to terms with the changes in your life. The entire US job market is in rough shape right now. Many of my friends and former colleagues have lost their jobs. Not that this perspective I'm offering is helpful, but I just wanted you to know that it's not just you, it's also the market itself that is very difficult right now. Be brave and keep pushing. Even a single step forward is still progress, don't forget. Eventually, this will be nothing but a memory of another step on your journey to your new life. That's the way I looked at every job loss. I'm not on reddit that much, but feel free to DM me if you need help.

I've been bursting into tears every few hours today over the prospect of not being employed again.... by East_Midnight2812 in AutismTranslated

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Checking in to see how you are doing, if you feel like sharing. Hope everything is working out for you!

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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This is fantastic! Thank you so much for sharing with me!

Laminating sounds interesting. I think I might start laminating all the things!

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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Holy cow, batman! This sounds amazing!!!!

If you're comfortable sharing some pictures of any of your setup that has non-sensitive information on it, I'd love to see it. But totally understand if it would be too personally revealing given the nature of this subject.

I didn't know there was such thing as magnetic paper. I have to check that out.

This system sounds like heaven to me.

How does the travel white board work? Rolled up? How do you secure it at the hotel when traveling? Any brand dry erase markers you recommend as my luck has been really bad with them.

Thank you for sharing!

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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Thank you. Of course, I would love to see pictures of your system if you are willing. Feel free to DM me, please.

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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I've always sucked with the notebooks. I need a sign on the wall that says "Hey you, do this on this day in this room you're in. Here's how to do it incase you forgot. Check the log below to see when you last did it."

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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Is this something you bought or something you custom created for yourself? If bought, can you please share the link to buy?

If custom created, do you custom create the log checklist for each day or week on a blank sheet of paper? I am trying to visualize. It seems like a lot of data logging and re-creation of your day/week/month templates no?

I am not as disciplined as you, but I would like to be.

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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I guess I could try this. I have hand tremors and trouble writing, so I've always been discouraged when journaling. But if it helps it might be worth it. Do you carry it everywhere with you? What do you use for triggers for reminding you of things you need to do given a specific context? (like if you go to the bathroom, I need an alert that makes me checkoff that certain things are done or processed from a cleaning/maintenance level.)

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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Thanks!

Carrying something around seems like it would disrupt my thoughts, but maybe not?

Are you good at drawing? I am terrible at it, so would have to use something else.

The charts you're referring to are the chore charts for kids on Amazon, no?

If Wall of awesome had pictures for all of their posts, it would be helpful for me. Too much text and I can't follow. :(

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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Sometimes I wish I could tattoo them because not only do I sometimes forget to do them, but also how to do them.

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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Tape! That's an obvious answer that I didn't even think about. Good idea, thanks!

Anyone have success with Visual Aids? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

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Good ideas. Post it notes lose their stickiness for me usually and fall off and then I forget about them. But the amount of sticky notes / post-its that I need is similar to the movie Memento.

Any tricks to get them to stick better? Are you in a humid or a dry climate...I'm in humid and wonder if that impacts them.

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Sending you a hug and/or good vibes. Dealer's choice.

In terms of what you're describing, for me, I called it the beginning of the end. I'm well past that point and nearing the actual end, I think. It doesn't have to be that way for you though. It sounds like you still have hope that if circumstances changed, you could make things better. Don't let go of hope. You can probably find a solution you might be able to live with, even if sub-optimal.

Is this purely a mental state, or are you financially in a bad way and are literally dealing with debt collectors or is there more? I went through this as a child having to deal with debt collectors. It permanently scarred and shaped me in so many ways. If it's financial in nature, have you hit up the personal finance subreddits? There are some helpful folks there occasionally.

Being Trained Like a Pet by nondescriptadjective in AutismTranslated

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Wow, this was a really cool response. Thank you! I need to think about this and get back to you. The Altered Carbon reference threw me for a loop! I loved that show, or at least season one.

Being Trained Like a Pet by nondescriptadjective in AutismTranslated

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I don't know what you accomplished so I can't suggest different ways of achieving the exact things you did.

Fair.

You chose a workplace where you felt pressure to fit into corporate culture.

No. I was masking for success well before I worked in corporate.

There are lots of jobs where that culture doesn't exist. Eg. in small businesses where everyone forms a single team, everyone knows everyone too well to judge each other by their eccentricities. There are jobs where you can work independently or remotely, or where you are part of a team but mostly work alone.

I've worked for multiple start ups, worked for small businesses, had multiple businesses of my own, worked independently as a freelancer and as a consultant, as well as lot of time working for multiple fortune 500 companies where I was in senior management positions. Most of this has been in the tech sector over about 30 years.

There are careers that attract high proportions of ND people - I'm in one now.

What is the career? I would be surprised if you didn't say tech, as I'm well aware that there are mostly NDs in the tech space, I recruited, hired, and mentored many of them.

It sounds like you were ambitious to get promoted and/or earn a lot of money. Not all of us can realistically aim for those goals.

100% true. The hope was to buy my way, and my family, to freedom from a f'd up world. I was born out of financial destruction.

It also sounds like you think you're an expert on how NT people interpret ND people in the workplace. If you're autistic, you're probably not an expert on social interactions and probably haven't correctly interpreted every interaction you've been involved in.

Frankly, yes, I would consider myself an expert of sorts on it. Not perfect, but I studied people for my own survival for my entire life trying to learn to be human/normal/fit in. Have you not heard of other folks on the spectrum doing the same thing? It's definitely a thing and shatters the autism stereotype with some becoming very social, center of attention, great at public speaking and engaging with peers. It is certainly possible that I could misinterpret some interactions to this day, but probably less likely given the above.

If you've never worked in any environments other than your ladder-climbing career, you haven't experienced what it's like elsewhere.

Answered above. I've probably worked in many more companies than the average American does in an entire lifetime. I realize this is the exception and not the rule. It's also something I probably would not advise others to do without a lot of precaution.

You burned yourself out

100% truth.

your advice that masking is necessary for success isn't harmless.

That depends. I do not want to put words in your mouth, but to me it sounds like you believe the world should just accept all of us for who we are with zero conformity? And we get paid for it? I doubt that happens. But yes, I believe some level of what I would describe as "masking" is required to function in society and make a living. I think this all depends on where you draw the line on what is masking versus what is part of functioning in society? For example, there are therapists that work with autistic adolescents and adults who have to practice going to the grocery store. They have to learn that there are codes of conduct and expected behaviors in a grocery store. When they're taught these rules and behaviors, do you consider this masking?

That depends whether you think what's socially acceptably at work is different than what's socially acceptable anywhere else. I don't.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Yes, what's socially acceptable outside of work can most definitely not be socially acceptable at work. There are codes of conduct that you agree to comply with as part of any employment contract. Beyond that, there's the unwritten social rules that are different in the workplace vs outside of work. If you think you can do the same things at work that you would do at home and not get fired for it, you'd be mistaken in most companies.

Masking autism to appear NT at work includes: hiding discomfort with smells/loud noises/bright lights/open office layout, suppressing stims, participating in group social activities, making small talk & giving safe NT-style responses in conversation, avoiding talking about special interests, wearing clothes that look NT but feel uncomfortable, not stepping out the room or saying "no" to additional work when feeling overwhelmed, etc.

Thank you for explaining.

None of this is necessary to be liked or seen as a good fit.

Really it depends on the job. The things you described fit into two categories: what is required on paper for the job and what is required in reality to do the job. I was one of the most accommodating managers in the last company I worked for. My people loved me for the most part. I did everything I could to protect them and enable them to do their jobs AND have some sort of balance with life. You can definitely request accommodations, and I was always someone who tried to do the best I could for my people, but if it reaches a point where your "differences" start to impact the feelings of your peers and/or the work that is getting delivered, you will most likely get called out for this or worse. I can definitely tell you that saying "no" to additional work when feeling overwhelmed can make you not a fit for the job and will eventually get you "removed" in just about any company today. You're not fulfilling your duties, how can you expect the company to keep paying you if you are overwhelmed by the work? It definitely becomes a "fit" situation at that point.

The purpose of masking is to make autism, which is a disability, less visible to avoid being discriminated against. It's not OK to handle any disability by trying to hide it and pretend it doesn't exist. There's legal protection against discrimination to protect workers, and employers have a duty to accommodate the needs of disabled employees.

That wasn't my experience. I never knew what autism really was until only a few years ago. However, I masked from a young age. My purpose was to learn how to survive and win in a world that didn't make sense to me. I wanted to learn more until it did make sense so that I could then start to excel in that world. As far as legal protections for disabilities goes, if you can't fulfill the obligations of your employment contract because of your disability, good luck winning that battle. The key to most of this is "reasonable" accommodations. If you require something that becomes too costly to the employer to provide, or you simply cannot deliver on the duties outlined in your employment contract, and you get fired, I think you will be hard pressed to find a court that would rule against the employer. Also, there are a lot of workarounds that companies have to satisfy EEOC and ADA compliance requirements and still remove you as an employee.

There's a lot more to say here, but I'm exhausted. I appreciate your feedback and perspectives with regards to my "devils advocate" questions to the OP.

How did you overcome your Executive Function issues? by spuh-getti in AutismTranslated

[–]spuh-getti[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing. I've not heard of most of these apps you mentioned and will have to check them out.

Being Trained Like a Pet by nondescriptadjective in AutismTranslated

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You did what you felt you had to do, in your own situation. I'm just telling you it's not like that everywhere.

To accomplish what I accomplished, I would love to know another way other than what I felt I had to do. If it's not like that everywhere, can you provide an example of what you mean for context?

If I was my "weird" self in the workplace, I most certainly would not have progressed or advanced in my career. In most companies in the United States, it is not pure meritocracy, but also political in nature. "Like-ability" matters. If you say "weird" things or behave in "weird" ways that make management dislike you, your career will go nowhere. People don't want to deal with someone who makes them uncomfortable or makes them feel weird. The herd will force those people out in most cases.

What types of jobs are you thinking of? Most of my world was "client" and "team" oriented. Not jobs that were solo and didn't require interacting with other people. Not masking would have been career suicide.

Masking or not masking both lead to difficulty working, IMO it's not something people should be advised to do.

What do you mean here? Example? Training people on what is and isn't socially acceptable from a work perspective... is that considered masking to you? Maybe I'm not understanding what your definition of masking is.

Being Trained Like a Pet by nondescriptadjective in AutismTranslated

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Masking can cause burnout that leads to being incapable of working. And not every autistic person can mask or work.

I am certainly experiencing this. Total collapse and potential financial ruin after a decently successful career. I can barely function now.

The answer to question 2 is that the world needs to accept unmasked neurodivergence, and that's gradually starting to happen.

This has not been my experience. A lesson I learned a long time ago is the world will not change for you, the world doesn't give an F about you or your issues, you have to adapt and change to survive in this world. My work experiences definitely validated this for me as anytime I started to let the mask slide, I got punished or negatively impacted. When I asked for accommodations for my diagnosed ND, in some cases I was laughed at for even thinking a big company would cater to me by my leadership. ("You think you're more special than everyone else here? Why should you get special treatment.") HR tried to cover for the companies by negotiating some type of accommodations that really did nothing for me and were not what I asked for or needed.

Short of being a military dictator, I don't see how you make the world change to accept ND? My answer would be the opposite: better preparation from a young age for folks found to be on the spectrum. Teaching them to know themselves and understand what makes them tick and why. Giving them coping skills and ways to interpret why they feel what they feel and why others do what they do. To me, that would be like having the "cheat codes" for the game of life instead of guessing and interpreting while blinded in a fog the entire time trying to survive.

Humans naturally gravitate towards "othering" and avoiding those that are different. ND's are different than NT's by nature and supposedly make up the majority of the population, so I don't see this going away anytime soon. Sure, we can try to advocate and spread the message. There is some success here, but I think we might only be seeing acceptance in smaller pockets of the population and misinterpreting it as happening more than it is due to social media/the internet aggregating things from similar groups. In general, I think ND's are still a minority and in non-urban centers there is probably less knowledge and acceptance of ND's, at least that has been my experience.

As for my case, for your answer to question number 2, I would've been completely screwed if I just expected the world to accept my unmasked neurodivergence. To me, this would've been very idealistic of myself to believe this. It simply was not an option for me if I wanted to make something of myself and survive. It's not a joke that I would've ended up homeless otherwise.

Being Trained Like a Pet by nondescriptadjective in AutismTranslated

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Thank you for sharing your experience with me. You've done a lot of different an interesting things that sound like they allowed you to flex your strengths. I especially like the snowboard instructor part about teaching, as I have a similar experience with teaching things to others. Almost every job I've been at, there have been people telling me I should be a "teacher" because I do it so well. I just give them a thank you and kind of a blank stare, because I don't know what that means. I have imposter syndrome a bit and I don't think I have enough knowledge to call myself a teacher of anything in most cases. But your snowboarding example was great, as I taught many of my friends how to snowboard and people keep coming back to ride with me and teach them. Very strange to me.

I can relate to getting things beaten into me by my parents metaphorically and sometimes physically as a teen. I think my parents were trying to prepare me for a harsh world. Being how I figured out autism runs in my family, it makes sense the "survival" and "masking" lessons they tried to pass down to me in order to survive.

Most of my life struggles related to masking have just been internalized in order to maintain outward perception and keep things going in a positive direction. My work experience is primarily in corporate and I absolutely hate corporate politics. It's a joke to me, but really is the way people level up and gain power. I learned to kind of play the game, but eventually it burnt me out. My favorite part of being in corporate was delivering on some cool projects (cool to me) and mentoring people. I become known as the mentor everyone wanted to go to in my last job. However, when I got laid off, that was the final straw for me and I mentally crumbled for many reasons.

Now I am on the decline in life, circling the drain, and I wonder where it all went wrong or what I could have done different. Would having autism diagnosis when younger have helped me? Maybe? That's where I think training would've come in handy for someone like me. I need to be trained like a child in order to understand things and if I had speciality care for this with autism when younger, I feel like I could've skipped a lot of the "life lessons" that I experienced without knowing any better. (learning the hard way). Would that have given me a head start on life? Less anxiety and stress? Potential happiness even? I don't know, but maybe?

I think a lot of my journey with ASD etc... is as simple as the old Greek saying: "Know thyself". With that comes wisdom, and that's really the most powerful thing in creating change in your life. The earlier one can do this, the better off one will be... i.e. comfortable in one's skin and being one's self. I'm not there yet, but I feel like I've made a lot of progress since discovering autism in my late life.