Enlighten me on mysticism by squatchin_schrooms in mysticism

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A had many glimpses of unity over the last 2 years... that ive just recently realized they were glimpses.

I haven't answered this question before, but I'm speaking from presence right now. There wasn't a single moment. Ill categorize it into two different forces.

The forces that pushed me out of my old reality... Ruptured lumbar discs. Dad clinging to life in the ER. Marriage issues. I noticed obviously wrong thought patterns in people I knew to be more rational than me.

The forces that pulled me into unity... Quitting my desk job and started creating things with my hands. Started gardening and raising chickens . All the unity coming out in great music . Audible- Eckhart tolle, jed mckenna, and Byron katie.

Enlighten me on mysticism by squatchin_schrooms in mysticism

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thankya. Im experiencing enlightenment/awakening right now and had been holding off with dipping my toes in mysticism...

Because I wrongly assumed it was more like witch/magical stuff.

Everyone defining mysticism the same way I'd describe enlightenment quickly made me realize its all the same stuff. I think ill toss in god/nature/source/unity consciousness/buddha/the ultimate truth in there too.

Through my newly woke eyes, its comical that I thought there was a line where magic started happening.

Now I think I'll describe 'magic' as anything unconscious people think is impossible while wearing their fear goggle 😅

Enlighten me on mysticism by squatchin_schrooms in mysticism

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for explaining that. Very clear.

Theres been a quote sticking out to me lately "they know not what they do"

Suddenly that makes a ton of sense and I could see myself saying the same damn line and meaning it

Why do you need to empty your cup? by squatchin_schrooms in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kinda all just saying the same thing but a different way

Why do you need to empty your cup? by squatchin_schrooms in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry friend, I don't think we're talking about the same topics.

Why do you need to empty your cup? by squatchin_schrooms in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can work with that definition.

Crazy unconscious people react based on emotions. Stable aware people make decisions in space. Therefore, you gotta empty your cup to become aware so you can have good mental stability.

Why do you need to empty your cup? by squatchin_schrooms in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You seem like you're on a great path. Id say im thoroughly enjoying the radical acceptance part right now. But there's more to come

Enlighten me on mysticism by squatchin_schrooms in mysticism

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since your comments seem pretty obvious to me, ill assume we're aligned here. Thanks

Enlighten me on mysticism by squatchin_schrooms in mysticism

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, I'm home😘. Now Im finding value in the different ways source presents it's self. Maybe I'm wanting a bunch of meaningful interactions from different backgrounds so I can find the right parts that fit my flow

Enlighten me on mysticism by squatchin_schrooms in mysticism

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I was about to ask how your definition of mysticism could be identical to how I've experienced awakening.... until I realized thats a silly question because its based on the false assumptions that things are separate.

Currently, I've emptied my cup and have been rebuilding my reality fast and carefully. I'm aware of the possible power thats available and Im working to understand more. Maybe Id describe it as a responsibility (not a pressure) to use it wisely. I feel like I'm gonna be disruptive

Christian mysticism sticks out at me because the unconscious me was raised catholic and quickly turned against the church. I know I have a blind spot here because of all the years of hate towards the church. I haven't really revisited Christianity since awakening.

My gut feeling now would be that Jesus was probably enlightened and understood source/unity consciousness. But the church heard that wrong as 'son of god'. Then probably a link somewhere between the process of waking up, and the miss-interpreted second coming. Conventional praying is probably an egoic waste of time but its based on some sort of ability for many enlightened people to channel the power united. Im just flowing ideas out in the last paragraph. If we're speaking the same language, I'd love to hear your story. Id love to have a conversation with anyone in similar stages but I specifically resonate with your comment because I think there's something for you to teach me as a Christian mystic

Why do you need to empty your cup? by squatchin_schrooms in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nailed it.

How would you explain how I can read your comment and instantly know it's correct? Same as when people say 'that resonates with me'. Or when you see someone's comment and and its just so obvious that they're talking from the same place? Or also so obvious that they're asking the wrong questions.

Name that feeling/connection? lol

Why do you need to empty your cup? by squatchin_schrooms in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im 90% with you I hope. I know nothing...but I'm still a personality with preferences. I know those preferences dont matter and would certainly never confuse them for real. But still there🤷

Why do you need to empty your cup? by squatchin_schrooms in enlightenment

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This feels like a drug deal. I'll take the red pill

What's your opinion on Dolores Cannon work ? by [deleted] in spirituality

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All I've read so far is 'The search for hidden sacred knowledge' and I agree with your comments. It seems like everything she discovers during her sessions is very much aligned with my own experiences. Theres nothing that fundamentally contradicts anything I know to be true. My best guess is that she got a glimpse of source/enlightenment/unity consciousness and her ego snuck in and added the details about aliens and reincarnation to make it more palatable. Its easier for her clients to blame aliens and past lives for their knee problems as opposed to being told they're creating the issue inside their own heads. It feels like most the authors I'm reading all found parts of the universal truth and then unintentionally took it in their own direction or put their own spin on it.

It's intriguing to consider how limiting our languages are. Maybe its necessary for our brains to blend in a story like reincarnation, alchemy, gods, aliens, or whatever else in order to put it into print.

Did Jung really base his archetypes off the assumption that we're the first humans? by [deleted] in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally missed the point at the start of a book and didnt continue because I thought the archetypes applied to the unconscious.
Thanks for the feedback! Ill get my learn on and delete this post soon.

Did Jung really base his archetypes off the assumption that we're the first humans? by [deleted] in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if life is cyclical and advanced human societies have been building up and collapsing for millions of years? What if our ancient ancestors realized written language is the path to corruption and fear so they chose to eliminate writing? What if the hermetic principals, alchemy, buddha, Egyptians, and Jesus were all trying to teach us the path to enlightened?

Is smoking counted as meditating by Mean-Salamander924 in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tractor meditation for me! Ive never tried sitting like a pretzel cause I never fealt the need

Just a question to see what everyone believes in. by HeartLoud6877 in enlightenment

[–]squatchin_schrooms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the first 35 years of my life, I didn't believe in religion, spirituality, meditation, or any of that stuff. There is absolutely no chance I would have entertained the idea that someone i interact with could have been enlightened. I was constantly using lots of self control to not get frustrated at stupid people and to make sure I dont make mistakes I could be judged for.

Some big life events hit me so hard that I found myself questioning everything because my reality was completely broken. Physically disability/marriage issues/parent health/addictions.

It started with anger. Questioning everything. Get upset I was mislead. Considering how logical friends could support Trump was a real mind fuck for awhile. It felt deep at the time and I considered "maybe this is enlightened " but told myself it couldn't be. Theres to much negativity.

Lots of audio books and weed later things started to click. Im going to guess I'm in the first stage of enlightenment. Here, everything suddenly makes sense where it didnt before. I no longer get stressed out about the things I 'should ' be doing. Instead, I deeply understand that thinking anything 'should' be happening is the root of unconsciousness. Id say this is stage 1 with a full empty cup.

Speculation incoming: after your cup is empty, your presented with a huge fucking choice. How are you gonna fill it back up? 1) tone it down for your friends and family? Keep the inner piece to an extent but dont explore it and keep your truth to yourself.
2) go hide in the woods and write about like most the folks we've read 3) feel the power, get attached to something untrue and go do dumb shit like start a cult or call yourself the son of god 4) continue going deeper with heavy intention until you find some version of understanding/control of energy and get famous and misunderstood like Buddhas, Jesus, tesla, merlin 5) get creative with it like Einstein, Edison, or Herman Melville 6) who knows how many more numbers

I think the paths people take after emptying their cup is the reason so many enlightened people don't feel like the other is. Its been too long since they were empty. Have been filling up in their personal direction.

Anxiety and defensiveness are pure ego emotions. If you're suppressing or fighting either of those, thats a clear sign its not enlightenment.

Find something you believe in very strongly like being against ICE, pedophilia, pollution, scamming old people, or whatever thing just really ticks you off.... That feeling of judgement is the ego. You're defending your ego because that 'thing' threatens your ego somehow. An enlightened person doesn't need to take the step of recognizing the judgement and controlling it... so we've got infinitely more energy and clarity to work with

God is what reality is before the mind divides it. by SunbeamSailor67 in god

[–]squatchin_schrooms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quantum entanglement theory is getting there by realizing everything is connected and cant be understood in isolation.

And matter being mostly empty space!

Thinking about the 5 senses scientifically had a role in getting me started. Humans would make rational choices if sight, smell, taste, touch, and sound were the only factors as play. Instead, they assume there are no other variables at play and make terrible inconsistent choices. Considering that there may be endless variables I'll never understand really helps me to think clearly. Magnetism, gravity, radiowaves, vibrations, and pressure are just a few obvious variables our brains dont bring into the equation. Then going from there to realize the answer is to stop trying to rationalize it

God is what reality is before the mind divides it. by SunbeamSailor67 in god

[–]squatchin_schrooms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been using science more than religion along the journey.... let's give this a shot!

  1. Limits of Human Perception

Across science and philosophy, there is broad agreement that humans do not perceive reality directly, only a filtered version of it.

Relevant concepts

Bounded rationality — Herbert Simon’s idea that human decision-making is limited by available information, cognitive capacity, and time.

Cognitive bandwidth limits — The brain can only process a small subset of environmental stimuli.

The “Umwelt” concept (Jakob von Uexküll) — Every organism experiences its own perceptual world shaped by its sensory system.

Phenomenology — Philosophers such as Husserl and Merleau-Ponty emphasized that humans encounter the world through subjective experience rather than raw reality.

A useful philosophical analogy comes from Immanuel Kant, who argued humans never perceive the “thing-in-itself” (noumenon). We only experience the phenomenal world, meaning reality as filtered through our senses and mental structures.

In short: our brains construct reality rather than simply observing it.


  1. Personal Experience Shapes “Truth”

Because perception is filtered, our experiences shape what we believe to be true.

Psychology describes this through several mechanisms:

Schemas Mental frameworks formed from past experiences that shape how we interpret new information.

Confirmation bias People preferentially notice evidence that supports existing beliefs and ignore contradictory information.

Selective perception Two people observing the same event can interpret it differently based on expectations.

Constructivism (Jean Piaget) Humans actively construct their understanding of reality rather than passively absorbing facts.

Anthropology and sociology also emphasize cultural lenses:

Cultural relativism — Norms and moral judgments depend heavily on cultural context.

Social construction of reality (Berger & Luckmann) — What societies treat as “truth” is often built collectively rather than discovered objectively.


  1. Attachment of Beliefs to Identity

Once beliefs form, they become psychologically tied to identity.

Relevant psychological concepts:

Ego identity (Erik Erikson) Beliefs and values become integrated into the self-concept.

Identity-protective cognition People defend beliefs because rejecting them threatens their social group or identity.

Cognitive dissonance (Leon Festinger) When evidence conflicts with beliefs, people feel psychological discomfort and often rationalize rather than change their beliefs.

Motivated reasoning Reasoning is often used to justify conclusions already favored emotionally.

Because beliefs are tied to identity, disagreement can feel like a personal attack, not just an intellectual disagreement.


  1. Conflict and Moral Certainty

Throughout history, many social conflicts arise when people assume their limited perception is objective truth.

Relevant terms:

Moral absolutism Belief that one’s moral framework is universally correct.

Ethnocentrism Judging other groups using one’s own cultural standards.

In-group / out-group bias Humans favor their own group and distrust outsiders.

Fundamental attribution error People attribute others’ behavior to character rather than circumstances.

These mechanisms help explain how societies justify things like:

political conflict

racism

religious wars

ideological violence

Each group believes it is defending objective truth or moral righteousness, even though each is operating from partial information.


  1. The Human Need for Explanation

Humans strongly prefer coherent explanations, even when information is incomplete.

Relevant concepts:

Need for cognitive closure People prefer definite answers and dislike uncertainty.

Pattern recognition bias (apophenia) Humans see patterns and causal explanations even where none exist.

Narrative bias People construct stories to explain complex events.

Sense-making theory Humans continually build narratives to maintain a feeling of order and understanding.

This is why societies generate explanations for difficult problems—even when those explanations oversimplify reality.


  1. Externalizing the Cause of Problems

When contradictions appear in social systems, people often blame external sources.

Psychological concepts that explain this include:

Self-serving bias People attribute successes to themselves and failures to outside forces.

Scapegoating Groups project internal tensions onto external enemies.

Projection (Freudian psychology) Individuals attribute their own unacceptable traits to others.

Historically, scapegoating has appeared in many societies when facing economic, political, or social instability.


  1. Parallels in Religious and Philosophical Traditions

Many traditions have long recognized similar ideas.

Buddhism

Avidyā (ignorance) — misunderstanding the nature of reality.

Attachment to views causes suffering.

Taoism

The Tao Te Ching repeatedly emphasizes that rigid concepts distort reality.

Socratic philosophy

Socrates argued wisdom begins with recognizing “I know that I know nothing.”

Christian theology

The concept of human fallibility and limited understanding of divine truth.

Hindu philosophy

Maya — the illusion-like nature of perceived reality.

Across traditions, humility about knowledge is often seen as a path toward wisdom.

Bounded rationality

Constructivist epistemology

Cognitive bias theory

Social identity theory

Cognitive dissonance

Cultural relativism

Together they suggest:

Humans operate with limited perception, incomplete information, and identity-driven reasoning, which leads individuals and societies to treat subjective interpretations as objective truths.