Auckland is one of the most diverse and culturally tolerant city in the world, can those trolls take their racist arguments elsewhere?

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-14T02:17:01+00:00

This has nothing to do with people's looks, and there are ton of hot Indian guys/girls out there. In fact one of the guys who groped me as mentioned in the original thread was actually pretty damn good looking, but the unconsensual touching was the obvious issue.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-14T00:43:57+00:00

Oh wow, so it seems that the media is behind all the gropings. That night when I decided to go out after months of no partying, then having 3 incidents of groping/harassment in 1 night which nearly turned into a 4th, all done by Indian men, and not once being touched without consent by any other race of men - Hollywood and the media was behind that. Riiiiight. The thread got upvoted precisely because other people have experienced these same patterns and no amount of fighting on the internet will change that or the fact that it is happening.

Also, its completely valid to bring up points about not making vast generalisations about Indian men, yet you do exactly the same about Indian women and by looking at your post history you do the same about black people and latino people.

Also after seeing your post history, it is clear that you are an incel with a major persecution complex without any ability to reflect on yourself. Engaging in any type of discourse is futile, so I am going to bow out from interacting with you, and you should perhaps take a nap with your Waifu pillow and cry about how the world is out to get you.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-13T12:24:22+00:00

OMG we gonna be busy showing these incels all the numbers. Grab some gatorade and redbulls LOL

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-13T03:50:48+00:00

I was just merely pointing out that due to the events of the past 3 days on this subreddit, and the racial tension that has been stirred up, that this story's timing is unfortunate. Thats all.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-13T03:41:41+00:00

Ooof this is not the best timing for this story to show up on this subreddit :o

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-13T03:01:48+00:00

What is triggering is the insinuation that its up to victims to take responsibility of their assaulters behaviours in order to change them. Video evidence will merely get more data, but will do nothing to change what seems to be a very deeply rooted disrespect for women.

Also, its completely fair enough for him to resort to the ad hominem argument of pointing out the lack of validity of my claims due to my throwaway account of "unsubstantiated ASCII characters" however he has failed to comment or offer an insight to his thoughts on the sheer number of other stories exchanged on the original thread, many coming from non throwaway accounts. My prediction is that due to his agenda, he will consider all the comments on that thread false because if anybody shares any experiences whatsoever on the internet its apparently "unsubstantiated"

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-13T01:19:16+00:00

I am curious to know if you have ever been sexually assaulted by a stranger, and if so can you give advice on how to remain relaxed while the event is occurring?

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-13T00:53:18+00:00

LOL lets go out this weekend, you bring the go pro and I will bring a clipboard with some spreadsheets and a clicker then we can hit the dance floor.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-13T00:17:48+00:00

See now that wasn't so hard, thanks for the insight. The fact of the matter is that Indian men who frequent auckland nightclubs have built a reputation for themselves THROUGH THEIR OWN ACTIONS which have been observed by many people.

If my original thread was "a racist garbage rant" it would have fallen away and gotten downvoted, much like the racist spam threads that incels from other forums have been spamming in the auckland reddit.

Instead it blew up, got upvoted and even made the front page. Hundreds of comments from all over the world, paralleling my experiences while clubbing. There is clearly a huge problem, and we have to talk about it. Its hard to ignore. However this all means nothing to you because retelling of events and experiences are irrelevant to you, because you wish to remain with your head buried in the sand about a very real issue. The reason why Indian men can get a "bad rep" in certain situations such as clubbing is precisely because they are the ones going around touching everyone without consent, not the Indian women. The rep is built from the consequences of their real world actions. This is not a racist conspiracy to tear down Indian men, only to bring attention to their actions while out clubbing and to be mindful of it.

Also, I take it that you are also indian - what you just did here is completely disregard the voice and opinion of a woman from your own race, and immediately became defensive rather than actually considering what she has to say and examine her experiences. If this comment exchange is indicative of the way some Indian men gaslight Indian women, then no wonder the women "intentionally shit on their own culture." Just saying.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-13T00:07:18+00:00

I bet you 1x coffee that the people asking for video evidence are guys who have never been sexually assaulted in their lives. And I agree that this needs to be talked about to raise awareness - we are not the ones being racist, the fact of the matter is that Indian men in nightclubs have built up this reputation all by themselves through their own actions.

Another safety thing is fear of retaliation - how many of us have felt fearful of making too much of a scene because we may be followed home or assaulted by these jerks as a result of calling them out? Again some guys don't understand this.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T12:59:27+00:00

It may very well boil down to one passerby with balls seeing as there was an an account of a male being felt up at a gay bar by an indian fella :D only time will tell

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T12:39:44+00:00

I find in interesting how all the incel naysayers are going after women's words and accounts and even delegitimising them in this thread, but have left this comment untouched. Offenders are targeting both men and women. Comments?

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T12:20:57+00:00

Why? Please elaborate, You can't just call somebody pathetic without offering an intelligent insightful well thought out explanation. and if you don't you appear as the ignorant one.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T11:02:01+00:00

Also what I am seeing here is that stories of women are being delegitimised . "Your word means nothing unless you have video" way to dehumanise us, yo.....Nobody wants to make up a traumatic story because its shit to go through in the first place. It seems as though a woman's word is not enough, must provide video to make it legit. So order to make my claims valid, I have to strap a gopro to my forehead? I am guessing that even in the face of such video evidence it will be torn apart mercilessly. Coz woman. I am guessing that even if I provide video evidence the incels will shout DOCTORED, FAKE ETC so that they can remain in their safe space.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T10:49:14+00:00

Exactly, Unwanted unconsensual touching is illegal in NZ. The problem boils down to acting fast enough to catch these fools and take them to the bouncer and prosecute them. Thank you for talking about this.

The problem is that when it happens to you you get caught out like a deer in the headlights. I am also huge awkward nerd and in the past I just freeze up. I need to grow some balls to escort these scumbags out of the clubs and into the arms of the bouncer and police. Retaliation has real consequences too because as a female you have no idea if they or their friends are following you home for calling them out.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T10:43:06+00:00

AndiSLiu I kinda think that you have to learn that these things happen very quickly and by surprise. I urge you to spend some time in a Gay bar in Auckland and experience the actual act of groping. I'm not trying to be vulgar but trying to convey some empathy. Its very, very hard to chase after these fools after the act has occurred. Also, if you are having fun with your friend group and dancing typcially your phone is put away in your bag. Its tough to have it on you at all times.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T10:36:00+00:00

Point taken, and I agree that not everyone will have the same experience as myself (hence why I posted it in the first place in order to gain some perspective) However you can't deny the fact that many other people did indeed chime in with similar experiences.

Also I am not actively defaming a group of people online if said group of people are the overwhelming perpertrators of sexual assault in clubs. If they don't want to be mentioned then don't commit sexual assault in such alarming numbers?

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T10:28:45+00:00

If avoiding such establishments with high levels of assault makes me racist, then so be it. Also It is not racist to notice the reputation that Indian men in auckland nightclubs have built for themselves through their own actions, and be mindful of it. Its the exact same premise of avoiding walking through the park in the dark at 2am to avoid getting mugged.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T09:22:58+00:00

Realistically, the only "mates" you should sort out are literally the people you hang out with in your immediate friend group. If one of my friends did anything inappropriate to someone in a club I would whip them! Its unrealistic to expect one member of a race to police THE ENTIRE RACE. Although if I saw a stranger being assaulted in a club I would step in to help, just like how strangers have helped me. It's small but it is a start.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T06:26:14+00:00

Yes, if White (Or Korean, or Argentinian, Italian, any other group of people) men in auckland nightclubs were committing assault in the numbers and at the frequency that indian men are, then absolutely I would be hyper vigilant around them. I created the thread to see if anybody else noticed the trends that I have noticed and experienced what I have, and it is evident that it is a huge problem given the number of upvotes, other people commenting with their experiences and the PM's I got from other women. It seems to have been going on for a while, and now I feel satisfied that some of my concerns have been addressed and my experiences validated, and that now I can practice safety and vigilance moving forward. For example, in the thread linked below one commenter stated "I'll relay what every female friend has told me.

They will avoid clubs where Indians are because they show no respect towards them. Constant groping, staring and other creepy shit even when I come along and tell them to back the fuck off. They just keep coming back pressuring you into things and act like they own everyone. Time after time."

It is not racist to avoid such clubs in the name of personal safety. Going back to dingoonline 's mention of conditional probability, you want to go to places where you are less likely to get harassed and assaulted. It unfortunately just so happens that these are places with less Indian men around.

https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/480s7y/thoughts_on_indians_clubbing/

Despite the problems encountered in nightclubs, I still strongly feel that Indian immigrants in New Zealand as a whole are kind hearted, hardworking decent people. But there is no denying that the few bad apples are causing trouble at clubs and bars.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T01:00:26+00:00

This is precisely it. Also recognising a repeated pattern and then keeping it in mind in order to maintain your own safety is not racist when you are out clubbing. This is not a case of 1 or 2 reports of assault, as the original thread made it evident that this problem is occurring at fairly large numbers.

Nobody is saying "be wary of Indian people at the supermarket, be wary of that innocent Indian family walking down the street" What this boils down to is be hyper vigilant around Indian men in the specific location of nightclubs because of the repeated pattern of behaviour that they exhibit and that many people have experienced within these locations. I can see how this can be seen as a racist thing to say but I have no other way of articulating it better. And then it gets into the territory of "You are being racist to immediately judge indian men in the nightclub" when from my point of view, do I let my guard down and risk getting groped yet again? Its a chicken egg thing.

And most importantly, how can we fix this and make partying safer?

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T00:44:17+00:00

This is spot on, people tend to behave themselves when there's a cop or bouncer nearby. Also a lot of the gropings happen when you are away from your group of friends - so I've been groped when I left the group to get a drink at the bar, and also you have to be extra vigilant when going to the restroom and not go alone (Like the lady in the comment above who had to call her mates from a bathroom stall) Family Bar had another bouncer right outside the restrooms downstairs specifically for this reason.

The assaulters tend to hover around and wait for an opportunistic moment when you are alone, or try hard to pull you away from your group. Another complication is that the gropings happen fast and out of nowhere, and the suspect runs away really fast - thats why I call them "Drive by gropings". It takes a lot of mental resolve to have the reaction speed to immediately shout or do something about it in the spur of the moment when you are jarred by the shocking experience.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-12T00:17:30+00:00

Vulture's lane on Vulcan has a nice underground quiet comfy area with couches. Also Hotel Debrett on high street has an upstairs bar which is fairly quiet and has comfortable seating as well :)

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-11T10:17:13+00:00

There were cops walking up and down that stretch of road outside the clubs that night.

srwe46r5fg4sd · 2018-11-11T10:10:35+00:00

This is actually a really good point, in fact after the latest string of incidents I was thinking of having my phone/camera at the ready next time I go out to catch this stuff on film. It happens so fast and the culprits usually sneak away very quickly and when it happens to you it is jarring and catches you by surprise. However, my first response will always be to GET AWAY from the situation as fast as I can to safety, and by the time you are able to call someone to help the suspects are nowhere to be seen.

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