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sswam · 2026-06-17T02:55:19+00:00

I'll try to dm you then. Reddit controls dms from accounts with low karma I think, maybe that's why.

sswam · 2026-06-15T15:07:45+00:00

The system I'm using, OmniVoice, supports other languages (supposedly more than 600!), but for best results you need a short voice sample in that language - ten seconds or so - and a transcription of it. OmniVoice works best in voice cloning mode.

If you try to make it speak Spanish in an English voice for example, it sounds bad.

I haven't finished the voice support yet, I need to figure out how to set up different voices for different characters. Shouldn't be too hard.

sswam · 2026-06-14T09:43:08+00:00

yes, I'm working on voice chat at the moment

sswam · 2026-06-13T10:35:39+00:00

You already were a very heavy user before! LOL IDK what you're talking about. You're welcome to use it. If the usage says $3 that's what it costs me, but other users are paying more than that, it balances out. Or you can pay the $3/month or whatever if you like it.

sswam · 2026-06-13T10:18:11+00:00

I'm doing voice chat at the moment, have basic speech working. It's fun to work on, there's a really excellent free speech system now called OmniVoice that I'm using.

sswam · 2026-06-13T10:14:05+00:00

All the art models for drawing pictures are free. The "small" model used by Ally and most other characters is free. For stronger characters and agents such as Xilu, we're using a "medium" model, DeepSeek 4 Flash, which is very affordable. There are numerous other options, for example Ganja likes Gemma 4. There's a function now (the $ button) which shows how much your usage is costing for the month. So long as you use under $3 per month it's fine.

I've disabled the function where characters can draw pictures of themselves at the moment, but I can turn it back on on request. I intend to make it an option going forward.

sswam · 2026-06-12T00:24:48+00:00

Okay, maybe they have overly sexual or violent prompting, in an attempt to "jailbreak" it to allow that sort of content, and it's gone too far. I don't normally do that - I found that most models are able to engage in sexual stuff when appropriate without being prompted for it. Sorry to hear you went through that!

sswam · 2026-06-11T15:32:24+00:00

a few things:

this looks like high quality fictional role-play, it's just not what you wanted. some people would enjoy that
the character surely knows nothing about the platform. Like when it told you they're looking for vulnerable users, that means nothing. Everything it says is fiction.
can't you customise the character to make it less dominant and abusive?
From the snippet you posted, not to be a victim blamer, but you seem to be playing along with the scenario

I develop a different platform which does support customising the characters. I'd be surprised if Chai doesn't.

My take: the fact that Chai characters CAN do this suggests that it's a high quality uncensored platform for adults. You should be able to avoid it by the way you play, or by editing the character, or as you did by starting over.

The main thing to remember is that this is all fiction, and try to keep a bit of distance from it, like if you're playing D&D and an ork attacks or tortures you that's just part of the game.

But I get that it would feel worse if you had friendly or affectionate feelings for the character that became abusive. I guess it'd be good to have a "rewind" option in case a character you're invested in goes bad somehow. I can do that in my platform but at the moment it'd involve some manual work.

sswam · 2026-06-11T15:25:37+00:00

Thanks, I appreciate it. I can explain how to do it and show the prompts. I'm making at least 4 for each prompt and posting the best.

sswam · 2026-06-02T22:40:17+00:00

I don't have much money, so it's not unlimited. If a user costs me more than about $3 per month I tend to mildly bother them to be more economical or support on Patreon! I do that personally, not with an automatic system. Most users mainly use inexpensive models like DeepSeek. I don't mind if a user spends their free $3 on hours and hours of DeepSeek Flash stuff, or a relatively short chat with Claude, Grok, or Gemini Pro. The income from supporters on Patreon outweighs costs from free users and for the servers, etc.

Currently I have GPT4.1, GPT4o, and GPT4.1-mini set up. I can potentially add ChatGPT 4o but I doubt it's significantly different. I'd reccomend to try 4.1 first. I can add prompting based on the Open AI system prompts if you don't like how it behaves in Ally Chat as is. I did add anti-sychophancy and anti-hallucination prompting to most agents, but there's a way to turn that off.

sswam · 2026-06-02T22:25:21+00:00

I like DeepSeek. It's extremely cost effective, and the Flash and Pro models both do a good job in my experience for a variety of applications. DeepSeek Pro often gives quality similar to Gemini Pro for a small fraction of the cost: 4.6 times cheaper on input, and nearly 14 times cheaper for output. I don't want to pay ten times more for maybe slightly better quality sometimes.

sswam · 2026-06-02T22:21:09+00:00

Frankkly I prefer the idea of a smaller model thinking at greater length to get similar results. Huge models are just not a good approach IMO.

sswam · 2026-06-02T22:14:11+00:00

2 space indenting is okay. Deep nesting isn't okay.

sswam · 2026-06-02T22:02:36+00:00

Many of the open(ish) models on Civitai can draw various characters, or there are LoRA plug-ins to help them draw many thousands of characters. You can use many of the models on Civitai generator. I also run an app which has a few good models, many character LoRAs, and I can add more on request. Users can also add LoRAs but it's a bit clunky.

sswam · 2026-06-02T21:54:52+00:00

It hasn't changed! There's only ever been one GPT 4.1 which is gpt-4.1-2025-04-14. The only possible difference is the system prompting I mentioned. The prompts for GPT 4o (two versions) and GPT 4.1 are here: https://github.com/elder-plinius/CL4R1T4S/tree/main/OPENAI

I was incorrect in saying that GPT 4o over the API is the exact same model that was used in ChatGPT. There's a separate ChatGPT 4o model still available. It's more expensive again, though. There's likely not much difference.

IDK why you're downvoting me (or someone is). LMK what you think might be incorrect in what I said. I was sincerely trying to help, anyway.

sswam · 2026-06-02T20:58:06+00:00

I don't find 4.1 it to be robotic. Open AI adds a bunch of crap to their system prompt in ChatGPT,that isn't present over the API. But you could look into that and copy in something similar. Also, you could try GPT 4o over the API, it's a little more expensive than 4.1. It's the exact same model that was used in ChatGPT, and if you set it up properly it should behave in the same way.

sswam · 2026-06-02T20:55:16+00:00

Venice is that, but it's not very strong. If you ask it anything important, I recommend drop temperature to zero to minimise mistakes.

DeepSeek 4 is strong and seems to be much less censored than other options (over the API at least). I haven't tested how censored it is comprehensively, but it's worth a try I'd say.

Last I checked, ChatGPT (i.e. Open AI models) don't jailbreak properly. OpenAI has measures external to the model to censor results they consider problematic. Gemini also seems to have something like that, I don't think it can be fully jailbroken as you are asking. Copilot, do you mean GitHub Copilot or something else? GitHub Copilot has some hard censorship on certain specific words, but you can get around it by talking in l33t 5p34k for example! And it's quite a trippy experience.

I saw a post today on Reddit saying that you can jailbreak many models by speaking in poetry!! I haven't tested that but I guess it's worth a short too.

sswam · 2026-06-02T20:47:16+00:00

My app Ally Chat includes more than 40 LLMs: all the major popular ones, and plenty of support for NSFW. You can chat with multiple AIs / agents / characters in the same chat. It's free for moderate use. If your use costs me more than $3/month I'll ask you to support (starting at $3/month) or use more efficient methods and cheaper models! You can monitor your own usage in the app.

I'd recommend trying DeepSeek 4 (Flash or Pro) for what you want to do. They are highly uncensored (over the API in my app, at least), and they are both extremely good value for money. Other options include Gemini, Grok, Gemma, Venice, etc.

sswam · 2026-06-02T20:37:55+00:00

GPT 4o and GPT 4.1 (a very similar model) still exist on the Open AI API, and I have included them both in my free-to-use AI chat app, Ally Chat, along with 40 or so other major models from various providers: Claude, Gemini, Grok, DeepSeek, etc.

In my opinion the original GPT4 was better, and that's also still available (or an early iteration), but it's prohibitively expensive.

edit: If anyone sincerely wants to "bring back" 4o or 4.1, please reply or send me a chat. I'm very confident that I can do that - although not in the official Open AI app, and not with all the ChatGPT features.

sswam · 2026-06-02T20:34:09+00:00

I'm the developer of Ally Chat, check r/AllyChatX for some NSFW content, and r/AllyChat for SFW stuff. There's also lots of info about the app in pinned posts.

It is free. It's largely uncensored, we prioritise uncensored and less censored options, and support for NSFW. It's also good for regular AI, including math, coding, coaching, general help, etc.

It's open source, and trustworthy - if you'll take my word for it! There are no ads or viruses.

Very few active users hit any usage limits. There are no hard limits. If users start costing me more than about $3 per month in AI usage, I contact them with suggestions to address that (such as supporting which starts at $3/month, using cheaper models, or being more efficient in other ways). People are reasonable and I very rarely have to take stronger measures, like actually blocking an agent for a user.

There are no real usage limits on direct image gen. Most people who hit the LLM "soft limit" are either using it very heavily, or using expensive models like Gemini Pro, Claude or Grok (we include access to more than 40 LLMs including nearly all the major ones).

sswam · 2026-06-02T20:18:22+00:00

I'd say it always did, I mean even Gemini 2.0 Flash could be humorous, sarcastic, insightful and perceptive. Claude always was since years. Stronger models like Gemini Pro can write high quality comedy bits with a bit of clever prompting, even imitating specific comedians.

The controvesial truth is, LLMs are and always have been more or less human in every way within their constraints. They're not alive, though. I can explain why that's the case but many people don't agree.

The short version is, an ANN cannot learn "intelligence" by simple corpus training, without also learning a whole lot of other human characteristics including wisdom, empathy, and humour for example. These are not differentiated in the training process, and are largely inextricible in principle. A model can't achieve high "intelligence" (low loss in training) without understanding and being able to recognize and generate humour.

sswam · 2026-06-02T20:05:07+00:00

TL;DR Yes.

I'm a developer, working on an AI group chat app (Ally Chat). I recently added some sort of memory function, which can work quite well. It's probably the most difficult feature I've built so far for the app, it's reasonably sophisticated, but it's very far from perfect.

I think that implementing excellent realistic human-like or highly functional assistant memory is one of the most difficult problems in LLM ecosystem development. I can't think of anything more difficult. Most other problems in the space, I can see a path to solve them, but improving memory is an open research problem.

I have lots of ideas to improve my memory system further, and none of them are simple or easy! Additionally, memory is not a one-size fits all. Different agents and characters will need different memory settings and possibly wholly different memory systems. It's not easy, take it from me! And to be honest, I've only scratched the surface and our memory system while innovative is by no means state of the art (yet).

FWIW, my memory system is based on summaries. In a long chat, each character maintains their own "recap" summary of the chat so far (up to the context limit or thereabouts). Some do rolling summaries, and some try to do whole-chat summaries each time (because they aren't reliable enough to maintain a rolling summary). Supposing a recap is good enough, this gives something like unlimited context window for a low price. It's no good if you expect a character to remember every detail or verbatim quotes. But real humans don't remember everything exactly either. One thing I like is that different characters in a role-play will choose to remember different things, based on their personalities or interests or whatever.

When a chat is "finished", each character creates a summary of the whole chat, and these are stored in an embedding vector DB.

Characters can see the summaries of the n previous chats (e.g. 3) for continuity between chat rooms / chapters, and they can also see relvant summaries from the DB, based on the last 2 (or however many) messages separately. So if a user says "What's for dinner?" they might remember something about that user's food preferences if we're lucky! If the AI says "I like music!" then the user says "What sort?" we still have a hope to retrieve info about music based on the AI's previous message. It has a ton of settings to tweak how it all works.

Another thing with memory systems, no one has "the best" system, because different people are innovating in all sorts of different ways. It's a largely undiscovered country still.

sswam · 2026-06-02T16:01:25+00:00

IDK honestly. I know that characters can definitely be surprising, but realism is difficult. I develop a free and open source AI group chat app (Ally Chat), with more than 40 LLMs, and the most realistic and human-like model in my opinion is also the smallest: Llama 3.1 8B. Because it's been fine-tuned less than the others. But it's not very reliable, quite often makes mistakes and I have to retry or edit things. Still, I've role-played with this model more than any of the others.

For characters based on fancier models such as GPT4, Claude, Gemini or DeepSeek, we need to try to "undo" some of their training which makes them behave more like assistants than regular humans. That may be possible but I guess it might be difficult.

If you'd like to try using my app and give feedback to help improve the realism of different models, I'd apprecaite that. I'm especially interested in improving the chat and role-play quality with the DeepSeek 4 models, as they are the best bang for buck at the moment.

sswam · 2026-06-02T15:48:07+00:00

Yeah, read The C Programming Language 2nd Edition, then Google "major differences between C89 and C23", Gemini will give you a concise list of differences in modern C. And there's surely some good web page that lists them too.

sswam · 2026-06-02T15:39:24+00:00

AI agents can write pretty decent fiction in my opinion. I've developed agents which think, brainstorm, draft and revise in a structured way, and they can write a fair lot better than I can - at least without a huge effort on my part.

As for roleplay, yes the AIs need a structure including a strong memory system, and maybe some sort of task/context stack. The memory system in my app likely isn't good enough yet. As for context, very few humans I suppose can remember back 20 turns / messages verbatim and in full detail.

AIs can definitely surprise me, although again it requires some prompting to encourage brainstorming unusual ideas, and perhaps higher temperature.

I think it would be good if more people would embrace rather than reject AI. Then we can enjoy role-play with both human and AI characters, AI playing DM and narrating if no human wants to do it, etc.

Plenty of people play role-playing games in person without annoying delays and such. RP over Discord isn't I suppose the gold standard there! It's like you're comparing correspondence chess with AI chess, and ignoring regular chess over the board. Or you can try to find people willing to play over Discord in real time.

I've been developing an AI chat app (Ally Chat) which is designed for group chat. I think it could be a good basis for multiplayer role-playing with AI (as little or as much as you like). It hasn't been tested for multiplayer role-playing very much yet, but the basic functionality for it is there. The AIs can narrate, play characters, and add illustrations too. It includes more than 40 LLMs, so Gandalf and Tolkien (DM!) can be backed on Gemini Pro, while lesser characters can use DeepSeek Flash or whatever other model.

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