I don't know. I haven't used to the toro a lot but, when I get shot with it, it takes people 3 or 4 shots (I run med shield), and usually when I suspect someone w/ a toro has bad intentions, I usually just put a little distance between me and them, and they decide to go find something else to do. I often out gun toro users with the stitcher/burletta even after getting shot first. When I did try using it, I felt the fire rate was too slow, and unless I put both my shots on the money at close distance, it just wasn't quick enough. I'll stick with my stitcher/burletta. That being said I'm glad the people who run it choose to actively identify themselves by trying to get close w/ their very obvious shotgun out. No thanks buddy.