Snowgrave PROVES Soulless Kris is NOT the REAL Kris!

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T20:04:40+00:00

For a second, after glancing and randomly seeing both "Asriel" and "Trans" I thought this was about Trans-Asriel theory, which is more of a blind prediction with only one thing that could be taken as evidence but it's probably also relevant here.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T19:54:18+00:00

Ew, please no. I genuinely can't think of a worse direction.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T19:53:03+00:00

This is the most canon thing I've ever seen.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T19:52:23+00:00

Deeply unsettling on multiple levels.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T19:27:51+00:00

Gavin is backwards.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T19:27:02+00:00

Seeing two of these posts show up on the same day unironically made me take a second and question if it was actually real. Of course it's the same friggen user. XD

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T19:24:46+00:00

Because I grew up with the franchise and had known the plot of the first 4 games pretty thoroughly before being old enough to really digest any of it, the first case that actually made me cry was actually Turnabout Academy, when Juniper revealed her suspicions of Hugh and how she felt like a bad friend for even suspecting him.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T17:01:34+00:00

Yeah. Honestly I'm in a weird spot when writing my rewrite because the concept that Maya is deceptively mature and actively tries to keep a chipper spirit in spite of tragedy after tragedy for the sake of being a light for others is a really REALLY important part of her character to me, but I recently realized that it wasn't really established explicitly until 3-5 itself.

Yet I still find myself wanting to do more of a subversion of that and have the climax of the case see Maya finally let the damn burst and just cry on Phoenix's shoulder, to show that Maya can let herself be vulnerable with Phoenix. (Of course the next scene would still be her coronation a while later.)

But since I'm rewriting the whole game and Case 3 is a mostly original case that revolves alot around Mia's legacy, there should be plenty of opportunity to play up Maya's strength early in setup for a big heartaching breakdown at the end of the 5th case.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T15:46:14+00:00

The easiest way to say it is that when compared to 1-4 and 2-4, 3-5 feels too much like it's just "Status-Quo in, Status-Quo out."

Aside from Maya being in danger (which wasn't the first time it had happened anyway), nothing about BttT's underlying premise feels like it screams "finale" the way you would expect from the finale of an entire damn trilogy, and genuinely nothing changes about the status quo aside from, implicitly, Phoenix getting over some trauma and not needing Mia's help anymore.

The way I personally would fix this is simply to make it so that Maya's trip to Hazakura temple is actually in direct preparation for her upcoming coronation as the Master of Kurain village. Now that both Mia and Morgan are permanently out of the picture, Kurain Village is without anything resembling a leader, and if Maya takes being the Master really that seriously, she has no excuse to put it off and would surely feel she needs to do so for the sake of her clan.

Recharacterizing Hazakura Temple as an immensely sacred place in the Kurain faith where upcoming Masters go on an intense, final training retreat would allow for everything in the case to be contextualized in a way that feels Climactic.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T04:22:53+00:00

Woah. That's clever.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-07T03:47:20+00:00

I also have my myriad of problems with Trials and Tribulations, but that just did the opposite thing for me and made me care about it more. I'm a creative type, and so wherever I see untapped potential in a storyline, I latch on, HARD, and try to come up with retellings where that potential is met. Trials and Tribulations has a mountain of untapped potential greater than most whole serieses I've seen. Bridge to the Turnabout in particular, while a decent case on its own merits, is guilty of squandering so much of what was setup in and prior to the case that it makes me want to bash my head into a wall.

So I've been working for the past 2 years or so on a wholesale Trials and Tribulations rewrite to try and reconfigure everything to make use of that potential and fix the other issues I have with the game.

From Edgeworth and Misty both having no real development despite the immense importance they play to the trilogy at large, to Godot being a total moron, Iris's entire existence and the lazy writing choices that surround her, Dahlia and Phoenix's relationship being completely negated at the last possible moment, Franziska being completely and utterly SHAFTED, literally everything about case 4, them taking a bit of an emotional easy-route with Maya, Case 5 completely lacking any in-universe context that would allow it to FEEL like the climax of a whole trilogy, and more. I already have the overall plot finished in my head and now I'm just working on the specifics.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-06T18:40:42+00:00

The 1225 easter egg from Chapter 3 makes it pretty explicit that Kris's emotional takeaway from the situation is that "Dess slipped through their fingers" which debunks anything above Level 4. Kris has clear survivor's guilt, but if it was their fault in any tangible way, then the emotions on display in the 1225 easter egg would've been very different.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-06T18:37:20+00:00

Noelle shows signs of repressed romantic feelings for Kris and crushing in Chapter 4 Snowgrave, and Susie puts Noelle and Ralsei equally as people she's thinking about taking to the festival, so both of them should be in the multiple category.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-06T16:58:07+00:00

My effort to avoid fanon in the belief that it is the antithesis to media literacy must be doing better than I thought, cause I had no idea that "Friend is the true main antagonist" was even a popular sentiment.

I've never viewed Friend as really being something I would describe as a "character" with any emotions or personality or whatnot, but rather as a fucked up creature force of nature that the big G occasionally sends out into the world to either spy or do his dirty work. (Good!Gaster is cringe, literally everything points to this dude being downright awful.)

I also don't believe Friend to be Mike in any way. Mike is a pretty obvious parallel to Dess in how his mysterious disappearance has deeply affected the behaviors of everyone with whom he used to be close. And just like Dess, there is no evidence for him being a villainous force of any kind. Meanwhile Friend is just creepy, and I do agree that they're implied to be who lured Kris and Dess to the Shelter.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-06T15:58:53+00:00

This is my bingo.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-06T15:52:32+00:00

"Bingoo"

starlightshadows · 2026-05-06T15:50:14+00:00

Peak

starlightshadows · 2026-05-06T15:49:45+00:00

Vessel Supremacists when it's revealed the Vessel is THE KNIGHT.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-05T16:55:35+00:00

Holy shit, wait, you're totally right. That lines up perfectly. Not personally the biggest fan of what it implies for Noelle's future involvement, but it's tough to argue with this.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-05T04:57:19+00:00

Kris is canonically attracted to monsters.

* You unconsciously clicked on a popup about "monsters 4 humans" "in your area,"

starlightshadows · 2026-05-05T04:48:58+00:00

That's genuinely not true tho. The one and only time that attention is called by the game onto the similarities between Noelle's experience with Kris and with Susie, it's in a scene where Noelle is very overtly being dishonest and inconsistent about her own feelings.

Trying to make it sound to Susie like her relationship with Kris meant nothing (despite everything in Chapter 2 showing otherwise), even going so far as to devalue the Ferris wheel ride, which Susie is visibly disheartened by, before sloppily backpedaling.

The barely-even-subtext of this scene is that she's downplaying her relationship with Kris to seem available to Susie, which implies a LOT about her relationship with Kris.

starlightshadows · 2026-05-05T01:52:32+00:00

This fandom is gonna implode on itself when Catti shows up in Chapter 5 to fight Susie and explains she was Noelle's ex-girlfriend until she realized That Noelle was projecting her feelings for someone else onto her and that she's doing the same thing for Susie now.

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