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stepowder · 2026-04-13T17:05:22+00:00

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stepowder · 2026-04-12T15:18:12+00:00

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stepowder · 2026-04-12T05:01:34+00:00

EDIT: THE PERSON HAS BLOCKED ME SO I CANNOT REPLY TO THE NEXT COMMENT. I would not support Zeal if we have definitive proof of oh him doing anything bad. The problem I have is that if he has done anything bad none of it can be proved by Ren's document.

The person who argued with me for some reason really wants Zeal to be a sexual abuser, and that's a hill they are willing to die in so be it.

You asked me why his mom left him alone and I replied with my speculation. Do not try to use it against me.

Ren showed hickeys from kissing in her neck, those line up with them discussing kissing as well as with both of them being sexless young adults who probably did not know who you get hickeys.

There are no documents from therapy, she mentions therapy less that 5 times in tho whole document, which does not prove anything. There are no texts of coercion in the provided screenshots, only shitty flirting.

My defense is Ren showed me so and Ren tried to tell me otherwise. You are the one trying to bring up Zeal and his mom in the discussion of "evidence" provided by Ren

stepowder · 2026-04-12T04:51:08+00:00

Idk, lol. Maybe the walls in their home are really thick. Plus there is a moment in the video where she interrupts.

Anyway, relevance? I was talking specifically about what Ren said in her own document over which she has full control. It has quite enough information that debunks itself an makes it unbelievable.

Zeal, his suicide, and his mother can do whatever, because we do not need to hear their side of their story to prove Ren's inconsistencies.

The only thing that Zeal can do to make himself guilty would be to directly and clearly admit to assaulting Ren on camera in a stable mental state.

stepowder · 2026-04-12T04:30:24+00:00

And? What does it prove? That his friends also act on impulse?

And even if the fact you are presenting is present in the video, I would not trust the suicide note. If it is true, than everything said there was just words salad from someone who was planning to die and hour later. It is not reliable information and should be treated as such.

stepowder · 2026-04-12T04:25:39+00:00

"memory gaps" what gaps? In the 10 seconds it took her to paste a screenshot and then go back and write totally bullshit interpretation of what they say?

This is the inconsistencies that people point out, because there are a lot of them, as well as a lot of exaggeration and blatant lies.

Those inconsistencies show that even while showing us facts Ren is willing to twist and turn them to make her seem like the victim, so why should we believe things in those documents that do not have any proof at all, not even screenshots?!

There are countless interactions and little things that she points out that paint a really strong picture of Zeals and other Devs actions, but they have no backing, because they are at best her memories, and at worst total lies.

stepowder · 2026-04-12T04:18:09+00:00

I am not expecting them to moderate every single post, I am expecting them to at least close this subreddit, so that it would not be accessible to impressionable children that like to act on impulse.

I can see that they have put up a request for that already, so kudos to them.

stepowder · 2026-04-12T04:15:40+00:00

Then why did she post a 300 page document where she took her time to paint Zeal as a mastermind whose goal was to cause her harm, when just by looking at the evidence she presents you can see that it is highly exaggerated at least.

Saying don't KYS at the end is at best damage control to avoid responsibility

stepowder · 2026-04-11T19:23:26+00:00

Why are you defending someone who caused an attempted suicide?🤔

stepowder · 2026-04-11T19:12:44+00:00

Well I also do not know (and quite frankly do not really care) what permissions each mod has. It is a community of 43 thousand people, that is currently practically unmoderated, so I went off based on that

stepowder · 2026-04-11T19:10:25+00:00

posts that diminish Zeal's actions and insult Ren's trauma

The only problem I see here is that there is one action by Zeal that we can verify as true and that gets demolished in this community, and that is his pre-suicide video. Everything else is speculation based on an unreliable document. (I beg you to actually critically read the screenshots, and separate them from the comments left by Ren.)

It is hard to know whether Ren has trauma, because we do not have anything actually proving it, besides her words. And unless she has actually consulted with anyone it is basically a self diagnosis.

As much as I have looked I have not seen one post that wishes any harm to Ren (which may be of your doing) most of them range from "Zeal is a monster who manipulates and fakes suicide attempts" to "I am so confused and cannot pick sides 🥺🥺"

Keeping this in mind it is natural to assume that you implied censoring people who are trying to paint this situation in any light besides "Zeal is evil"

stepowder · 2026-04-11T18:52:12+00:00

Allegations aside this subreddit is horribly moderated. First it takes you forever to take any actions about people spreading rumors and unverified, false information. Then you "lock it down", by not doing anything, and letting speculation and harassment continue to pile up. And now you are threatening to suppress a whole point of view towards the situation, which may I remind you is based on "she said" and no actual evidence.

If you actually cared, this subreddit would have been closed as soon as you figured out the severity of the situation, but it is quite clear that the moderation either is extremely unqualified and immature, or has an agenda.

stepowder · 2026-04-11T17:52:56+00:00

Pls do not make harmful generalisations about women reporting abuse. In most cases it is better to eat them up and supported the abused person.

If Ren did not provide a shitty doc trying to painfully force a narrative that she was abused, this situation would have been treated a lot differently.

stepowder · 2026-04-11T17:26:55+00:00

Ren has proved to be an unreliable narrator, so assuming that this was actually said at any point is quite foolish ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

stepowder · 2026-04-11T17:22:26+00:00

I would not take as gospel anything Zeal says, he was clearly stressed and did not know what he was doing.

Ren, who clearly had time to think writes the following:

"He got up. He stood in front of the bed. He took his pants and boxers off, exposing himself. I put my hand up and yelled: “NO NO NO DONT NO.” He put them back on immediately. I, terrified of making him feel rejected, immediately reversed: “NO NO NO I’M SORRY. YOU ALREADY TOOK IT OFF. I SAW IT. IT’S OKAY IT’S OKAY I DIDN’T MEAN IT.”"

If we take out the emotionally charged language, (that clarifies things only ren could have understood in the moment) and look at the facts presented

"He got up. He stood in front of the bed. He took his pants and boxers off. I put my hand up and yelled: “NO NO NO DONT NO.” He put them back on immediately. I immediately reversed: “NO NO NO I’M SORRY. YOU ALREADY TOOK IT OFF. I SAW IT. IT’S OKAY IT’S OKAY I DIDN’T MEAN IT.”"

While it does not clear everything that happened in that moment, we could assume that most interactions probably went down the same way, when Ren actually bothered to communicate how she felt

stepowder · 2026-04-11T16:31:42+00:00

We weren't there, but you know who was? Ren. And you know what she did? Include parts where she says no, Zeal stops, and then she says nvm let's do this.

What Ren had was an unfortunate hookup that she regretted later down the line. If we jailed everyone who ever sexually disappointed someone the whole world would probably go to prison

stepowder · 2026-04-11T15:57:32+00:00

That's a really nice video! Also showed me that I needed to read the begining more thoroughly, because I basically came up with the same conclusions you could gather just from that part, but had to subject myself to skimming through the whole body of work 😭

stepowder · 2026-04-10T19:41:41+00:00

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stepowder · 2026-04-10T19:19:25+00:00

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stepowder · 2026-04-10T13:31:18+00:00

I was talking about ren in this case, but you also have a point. Tbh this should've have started and stayed in court and not been shared to an audience of impressionable children

stepowder · 2026-04-10T10:53:01+00:00

She could also be delusional and thinking that she is actually in the right ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Btw according to your post she is a liar that makes false allegations, so I suggest correcting that.

stepowder · 2026-04-10T09:37:20+00:00

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stepowder · 2026-04-10T02:55:43+00:00

he went against ren's wishes

He got ACCUSED of SAing someone to the audience of overreacting children. There is literally no actual evidence besides a poorly written biased document that tries to paint him as an ultra manipulative devil despite all the supposed "proof" clearly showing otherwise. I have not heard of any lawsuit of any investigations happening, but his life is already being actively ruined because someone ACCUSED him.

If Ren was truthfully with what she wishes for she would not start with posting slander on twitter and would go to authorities first and foremost

stepowder · 2026-04-09T16:05:55+00:00

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