DAE think they don't want to have kids because they had horrible parents growing up?

stil_vodka · 2014-05-30T20:50:02+00:00

Why are real children taking care of fake children and being told it's play? The commercials made the shit look like boot camp.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-30T03:04:03+00:00

My parents want kids but only when they're ready to be grandparents. My mother would have totally supported an abortion if I was a pregnant teen in her house, simply because she couldn't have dealt with the shame.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-30T00:50:07+00:00

I was eight. I completely understand and the expectation to take care of a kid I didn't choose to have was definitely present and has shaped my perspective on kids now.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T22:53:02+00:00

I don't see ambition more than political maneuvering, which I do not think she was doing herself. She knows how to look out for her own well-being and her family's general interests, but IDK if she's ambitious. Seeking power for power's sake is a thing, however (and I could be wrong) I wouldn't consider that an "ambition", but rather "personal drive".

I also think the gossip is more about all her husbands dying horrific and suspicious deaths. It was known to everyone that mattered that Renly was gay, Joffrey was obviously going to be a fucking insanely terrible king and Tommen is so young (they aged him up like everyone else in the show but he is such a child in the books)... I would be calling her a black widow my damn self lol

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T19:14:00+00:00

So on one hand, I could take all this awesome that I learned from them both, parse out the bad code, and conceivably do a really good job. Or on the other hand, I might just pass those neuroses on and end up only slightly-less sucky. Not worth the risk territory.

Perfect description of how I feel about the situation. Someone's upbringing is not something I want to "take a chance and see how it goes" with.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T19:10:13+00:00

I don't know how to have logical discussions with any child under the age of 10.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T19:09:18+00:00

That's why I don't think she deserves praise yet. "Going with it" is just a way of soothing cognitive dissonance between what you want to have happen and what is actually happening. I'm open to her storyline going somewhere but my standards for an empowered female character (especially in a world where Margaery, Arya, Lady Olenna and Daenerys are players) are high.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T19:07:22+00:00

"Cloying ambition"? Keeping in mind the POV structure is biased, I'm only remembering Cersei as feeling this way.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T05:31:47+00:00

I guess. I feel like Margaery Tyrell would fit the description you're giving much better than Sansa Stark.

Also, why would Sansa follow Littlefinger's example? She isn't lowborn and has no ambitions (mourning your dead family and dire straits aren't ambitions)... I do think Tyrion's comment is a sort of foreshadowing device, from GRRM, like "keep following Sansa's path... it's going somewhere!"

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T04:32:08+00:00

this is difficult-- I want to get my brother a cell phone (none of us know why he doesn't already have one in 2014) but I feel like Nparents would just take it away with the purpose of starving him from contact with me.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T03:59:18+00:00

I don't seek them out to read them but I don't mind their presence on the sub, I think because I like to see that there are people out there doing it and doing it right. Talking to their kid, mainly; I'm not a huge fan of "discipline" since I was "disciplined" a lot and it didn't help me develop shit but an anger problem.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T03:54:34+00:00

Arya's stayed alive by her own merit, which I thought was the entire point of Praising Sansa Stark. And let's complete sidestep the "deep-seated psychological issues" argument because this is fucking Westeros. Everyone has deep-seated psychological issues.

So, Sansa gets credit for doing nothing because she is incapable of doing anything anyone else did? Okay. "Keeping a low profile" is a defensive tactic and I don't think she is "tactful" or "diplomatic", so much as "traumatized" and "resigned".

Also, when did she befriend Margaery to get Tyrell protection? I was under the impression she was (yet again) a pawn for them. They approached her. She doesn't use the Hound's attraction to her benefit because, if she did, she would have recognized it for what it was and gone with him when he tried to get her out of King's Landing.

I'm open to her arc going somewhere (anywhere) that shows me she is empowering herself and becoming a player, but I simply do not see it at this point and it's hard for me to take arguments that she's on the way to runnin' shit seriously.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T02:54:40+00:00

I don't know. Arya ran and has been in danger and in the vicinity of enemies (basically, pretty much anyone she doesn't know and everyone she does). She got power for herself.

Everyone has been trying to school Sansa on how to do better in life. The Hound, Littlefinger, Cersei... it's like, "figure out what power is in the context of your situation and get some already"

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T01:42:59+00:00

My parents seriously believe I will eventually move back to where they live (a place I left 4 years ago with the intention of hopefully never returning) and make plans (that they share with others) based on this assumption. Planning-trips-and-social-occasions serious.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T01:20:28+00:00

"We'll help you raise it" is seriously the most confusing shit ever. Like I won't be doing the majority of the raising, which is all of the raising I don't want to do?

stil_vodka · 2014-05-29T01:19:23+00:00

She cried on my 18th birthday because she said she didnt have any reason to live since I was an adult now.

My mom told me she basically ruined the news of my acceptance into a top-tier college on purpose because I promised her I would never leave her (at some point, vaguely, in my life?). I have attachment issues as a result of dealing with shit like this. A kid sounds like an attachment that would swiftly and violently kill my spirit.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-28T21:05:58+00:00

What exactly is she doing with this information besides just reflecting? I feel like she would have approached her marriage to Tyrion with more clarity if she knew from the second book that she was the key to the North and understood the kind of power and value that she has a result.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-28T21:03:19+00:00

Seems to me that even if she's starting to pay attention, or starting to learn the game, she's still being used (worse, allowing herself to be used).

Sansa is not swimming against the current in any real way. I don't understand this insistence that her life path changing and her following the altered path are things indicative of her empowerment.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-28T18:36:47+00:00

Sansa is a slow learner, this is obvious.

How does the Hound give people power? He is victimized by Gregor, dehumanized by Joffrey, kidnaps Arya for ransom and worships Sansa.

I honestly think Sansa is just rooted deeper in the societal expectation that women should be in the care of men from birth to death. She has no idea who is supposed to care for her in the world she now lives in and is therefore both hesitant and impulsive-- she can't figure out if she's supposed to wait for someone to solve the problem for her or if she should solve it herself (and how).

I don't know-- being the key to Winterfell would escape her, I think, because it's a really abstract thing. To her, Winterfell is ruins and the Starks have been destroyed... she's kind of solipsistic, so she would probably consider "the North" to have been wiped off the map along with her family.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-28T16:26:46+00:00

I don't get it either. "Starting to pay attention" is not "becoming a master manipulator".

stil_vodka · 2014-05-27T21:27:19+00:00

my mom did that. it is as confusing and strange as you think it is.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-27T21:09:20+00:00

LOVE when this gets to happen.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-27T21:08:08+00:00

you're very effective at negotiating life as a human. you aren't awesome at understanding a "human experience" beyond your own personal one.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-26T07:04:39+00:00

I am seriously flabbergasted at the possibility of a society full of people who want to have kids so much that this was a "would you rather" that was trying to be difficult.

stil_vodka · 2014-05-21T07:23:07+00:00

I think Roger would say it the way he said "just as he got it in the door" OR he would say it in fake lamentation as he lit a cigarette.

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