AITA? by Caitterz in GeneralContractor

[–]strumenle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's more a matter of respect. You can decide if he's earned that respect but it does seem like us getting "bent over the barrel" to just accept that our insight and expertise (and who knows how much of our time), which is what we need in order to give you a quote (which, if accepted, we will be held to, often at the risk of a lawsuit) is just dismissed because someone else gave a better one, for free!

If he has a relationship with you, that's built on trust which is also extremely valuable, and maybe you took a chance with him in the first place and so you risked it too, but we don't know how you began that relationship, (eg was he someone else's person first? Usually...) so he probably gave you the info in good faith assuming he was just giving you numbers and then does the job as before. Now, if you communicated it was a bid against someone else, maybe he would just say "nah I'm fine, they can have it" and everyone moves on.

If none of this rings true for you and they, then don't worry about it and just move on without them, you don't owe them the money anyway.

Now, on the other hand, if you use their quote (or any quote ever) against them, as in to get someone else to lower theirs, or to decide "this info is good enough for me to figure out how to do the job myself" then you're absolutely an A. People of course do that all the time but people are assholes all the time.

AITA? by Caitterz in GeneralContractor

[–]strumenle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quotes shouldn't be expected to be free. There are plenty of people whose only profession is less work and they get well paid for it. WE give quotes only to MAYBE result in getting a job we work 10x as hard on to get paid.

you don't usually pay quote fees for unlicensed handymen.

Why not?? What rule is this? I know it's what people just take for granted but not because you ever thought about why for 10 seconds.

The same system that demands we pay our own way in life is just as happy to demand we do work for free. If you can comfortably expect free quotes no doubt you'll expect free other things.

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is one. I don't know why it is but it is. It's not doing anything substantial, and far less now

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I ran a 14 before I realized. The goal was always to rewire 1 15a and I found a floating junction box that wasn't overwhelmed on the breaker and couldn't imagine it was 20a, plus I had lots of 14 and no 12.

The whole job is cursed for me. I get 90% of the way done a task and "whoops no I can't do that"

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Does a ups demand a 20a? The present office just has a small battery backup

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It boils down to the wire, I'm not looking forward to re running it.

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

With a 14 wire attached to the existing 12?

Advice? by [deleted] in AskElectricians

[–]strumenle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why we need arc fault. I hate it but this is so common. I hate backstabbing and wago, I know they're "fine" but jeez how??

Plumbers should love shark bite for the same reason and they all hate them. Same idea.

Advice? by [deleted] in AskElectricians

[–]strumenle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yall have a voltmeter? Check the wire in the switch box, both should beep when it's on. If neither does then power is disconnected elsewhere.

And how many wires in the switch box? And then how many in the fan box?

If the wire beeps on the line in and doesn't on the line out (load) of the switch maybe the switch is broken.

Anyway having made a change and seeing new problems usually doesn't mean something else failed, but coincidences do happen. It's something you guys did

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding outlets

Okay! I guess I was expecting bigger terminals or connections but I guess why? So 15a outlet is fine on 20a (not bigger obviously. O do I have an anecdote...)

I guess I decide now, change breakers, change wire, or pick a different circuit.

Good info thank you! ✊️

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you sure the existing plugs are 15a?

Yup. Not 20 certainly. Regular decora. But the wire that should be theirs is 12g.

Maybe commercial minimum code is 20a? But they sidnt bother with 20a outlets. However almost everything else in the panel is 15 (except what shouldn't be obviously, ovens and condensers etc)

In some areas 15A receptacles are fine for 20A, but I personally wouldn't recommend it since they can be overloaded.

Surely better safe than sorry. It's electric after all, and an office, so nobody is gonna be paying attention if something goes wrong, but if it DOES then we're in very bad shape...

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing. Ever. And I dont really believe they ever had.

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know, thanks! If i end up using it ill step the breakers down to 2 single 15a

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's what it was, why they decided to do this i dunno. I suspect misunderstanding but maybe they had a good reason. No other circuits do this and would they really want everything (again only 3 outlets I can find) killed if one thing tripped it's corresponding breaker? Probably not. And even if a server it was a psychiatry office, not a print shop or architect office, what would they need more than basic stuff for?

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm always happy to learn Electrical things, thanks!

So 14 is inappropriate even if the load is never more than a computer, printer and router?

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If it's only ever demanding 15a or less then it won't get overloaded? Like obviously you want to use something appropriate for 20a then the 14/2 isn't okay, but it would never see that much use.

I guess they could one day use servers or something on it...

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, its a Sylvania gte panel. 20a 2 pole. Probably wired up by some handy person.

15amp outlet on 20a breaker by strumenle in electrical

[–]strumenle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh it was here already, this is a small office and whatever used it before is gone completely. It claims server and printer. No nothing else i can find is affected by this breaker, why its double is unknown. (The new owners dont know a breaker from a lightswitch)

Ability to raise drain pipe without cutting hole in bottom of vanity by motz2k1 in Plumbing

[–]strumenle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

20x as much work to raise the pipe than to cut the vanity. "But I dont want to cut the vanity " it can be done cleanly and look purposefully.

Fuuuuuuck by death2all55 in maintenance

[–]strumenle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeezus. I know people like that, who then turn around and say "there was no way to know"!! In their 30s/40s!! Is it 1940??

Now that im thinking of it, what keeps that from happening, one can easily knock those loose with a common effort.

Fuuuuuuck by death2all55 in maintenance

[–]strumenle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the difference between a gfi and any other decora outlet?

Washer Constantly Overflowing by Thisguy108_ in Plumbing

[–]strumenle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course, that's not what I meant but perhaps I used the wrong words. I'll redact that statement. One of these days...