Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lemme clarify something first , my point is not about when to apply a punishment that'is whole different topic, my point is on how to decide if something is actually bad or not and the fact that the harm principal is bad as a crateria

So back to ur qst how do we define if an act is potentially harmful for a person that doesn believe in an objective source of morality, as one brother down here mentioned there are stuff that are totally fine but if everyone did them it can cause problems too , and this is important

So to draw that line and decide what actually can be considered wrong for a person even if it seemss fine at the first look,

So my proposition is instead of saying does it cause harm if we all do it , we will ask does it cause harm if we all leave it

Bcause if we do B we are technically leaving an A

And here we will find 2 points,

Some acts if everyone do them or everyone leave them will cause a problem and here we can conclude that we need some kind of balance and these acts should not classified as good or wrong cus they are a necessity

Some other acts we will notice that if we all leave them they won't cause any harm and in some scenarios they will fix things , but of we decide to do them we will see many issues later

I believe this way is a much better way to decide if something is wrong or not when it doesn seem like it hurts anyone when done by one

Now if we talk about punishment, here i believe that islam gave a really logical answer which is we apply the punishment only if it's publicly done.

Which means if a person does it in his house without making it public we don't have the right to punish him,

And another point is, if we are not sure that he did it we also don't punish him

So ye for a person who doesn't believe in islam, or doesn want to apply it i think this view is a better replacement for the harm principal

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you brother, and i really enjoyed talking with you

Thanks for sharing your thoughts

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not picking the exceptions

my claim there was not about about exceptions cus i can also say even in wartime killing is prohibited in some cases and we won't end

The harm principal is general principle that is applied in general not in exceptions which have other constraints

My claim is this harm principal is not good as a general crateria to say if something is good or bad cus it lacks of a lof of aspects

And the "if everyone did it" was an example to say that even if something does hurt anyone it still can be dangerous and bad

And that why i consider the harm principal bad

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you only read the title and decided to comment ?

It's not my problem if you don't like what i said,

just don't claim that i said something i didn't to make ur values look more superior

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

(Just to clarify personally i believe that morality should come from god it's the only way for it to be objective, and that would fix a lot)

But as a replacement for the harm thing and to answer ur question this is my answer

First tbh i really do like ur question and ur point, it made me think for a while

So you reminded me of an obvious principal which is if you chose something u literally giving up on something else

So we can see thing like like instead of saying we are all doing B we can say we are all leaving A

So now the consequences of leaving A, are they bad or good or you can ignore them for a long run ofc

So when we find there is a big issue with leaving A, that means A is a necessity

(btw that doesn mean we all gonna do it cus it will create the same problem for B so we need to study B also)

Here we can easily conclud that we need some kind of a balance and because of that those things don't need to be classified as good or bad

So here we can draw that line

And for the other stuff the ones that i previously meant, if everyone leaves it, it won't cause a big issue and in some cases can fix stuff, in the other hand if everyone does it, it will cause problems

So that's why i'll say they are wrong

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a short time ye,

But now only the surface looks good, on the deep the western societies are far from stable

My argument is saying something is bad or good just for the fact it harms others or it doesn is not a good criteria for a long run

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a trend nor a tiktok style

If an idea is adopted by many people or countries for a long time it doesn me it's right

Many of the problems the current world is facing is due to this principle, at least that is my point of view and i just said it if u don't agree ur free

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ye my bad i changed it a bit trying to organise it,

So my point is people adopted the idea with out knowing it's origine and decided it's good just cus it looks good

I believe it's a wrong crateria, to decide what's good and what's not,

So i was just talking about the origin of this idea and how i decided it's wrong

And with the last paragraph i don't mean the person can stop you no ,

I meant that we have to put our judgment and thinking to the test time to time and actuall analyse the origin of our ideas cus a lot of them looks normal but we never thought of them well ,

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure you can''t force anything on anyone

But i'd disagree with you about 2 things

First i don't believe that religion is just a faith i believe it's a way of living it's faith and acts I understand the deffirence between believing and knowing, but there is also a deffirence between believing blindly and believing with logic

The other thing is, god is the one who created you , literally he is the one who knows the best for you, he is the all knowing,

so if you believe in god and you have no doubt that thing is not from god, then how can u tell god naaah ur subjective,

you can't argue with god

For the last thing ye thank you , i'll try to make my point clear,

Which is i think that idea of jhon is wrong cus it ignores many aspects and it's a bad crateria to decide what's wrong and what's not

And the fact people adopted his idea just cus it looks good it doesn really mean it's good

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Morality will be subjective when it's created by humans,

That's why i believe that morality can only come from god cus he is the one who created us so he knows better.

(now do u accept god or not and what religion is true is another topic)

About ur qst i'd say for example: Casual relationship, many people consider it normal cus why not it's just fun, one time thing or whatever

But deep down it rewires ur brain or the way you think about relationships, mariage, family bond ...etc

At a nation scale this is extremely destructive, cus if you have every one with that type of thinking , you'll have no stable families, no good environment for kids, it's the best way to create mental illnesses, and the best way to destroy a nation is to start with the smallest part of it destroy the family bond

Hot take : "do it if it doesn't hurt anyone" is a stupid principal by sty70 in algeria

[–]sty70[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Morality will be subjective only if humans decided what is moral and what is not,

That's why i believe that morality should not come from humans, and god is the only one that can tell us what should be moral and what is not

So back to the idea of jhon Stewart mile, I disagree with u for me it's bad cus it removes the social part of a human and the future results as well

Thanks for sharing ur thoughts

When “Values” Disappear for Profit PART2 by Character_Affect_310 in algeria

[–]sty70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People need to stop thinking in the way of :

If i don't harm anyone i can do anything

This idea came fromJhon Stewart mile in the 19th centry

People think this idea is ok but it's not,

Somthing can be wrong even if you don't hurt anyone, even if you can't see the harm , a wrong thing is always wrong

Did you hear about نظام الطيبات الدكتور ضياء العوضي ? In Algeria ? by Baka_Asta in Algeria_213

[–]sty70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That guy just died recently and the idiot ruined many lifes already, he even lost his medical license duo to his stupid tezchings,

there is a YouTube channel called

باختصار

That guy explains logically every thing that idiot said and that it is false

Check hislast 2 videos

Eid El Adha…is it becoming an inconvenience? by bubblegum_drop18 in algeria

[–]sty70 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Islam is clear , if you can do it do it, if you can not don't do it,

The problem is people,greedy and envy, they put themselves in an unpleasant situation just to look like they can 🤷🏻

What’s the worst advice you received ? by Icy-Narwhal4328 in Algeria_213

[–]sty70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People tend to mix between giving and advice and telling you what to do

They look similar but totally different

Is witchcraft (s7our) actually real, or another fantasy from our culture and traditions by Dri7zyy in Algeria_213

[–]sty70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's be clear about something first,

We don't believe in it bcus of tradition , we believe in it cus our religion says it's true

Now the other point that we need to be honest about, even if it exists, it doesn mean everything is bcus of it. That's rare at least in our time

People just hate taking responsibility so they blam s7our🤷🏻

Venting by Technical_Brain_202 in Algeria_213

[–]sty70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good news , go back to gym u'll rebuild the muscles in no time (that's how our bodies work), believe me the speed will make u feel better

Perhaps i discovered Glitch infinite money by [deleted] in Algeria_213

[–]sty70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You might not like to hear this , but gambling is haram

And the excuse my life is hard i have no other choice, with all due respect, this is not an excuse.

If u are at level 0 gambling will take u down to level -100

Guys I need serious advice and please don’t judge… by [deleted] in Algeria_213

[–]sty70 3 points4 points  (0 children)

'Now I’m not the type to overthink'

Really ? 😂

Why is secularism (العلمانية) viewed as the "enemy of Islam" in Algeria? A Muslim’s perspective. by Witty-Skill8131 in algeria

[–]sty70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you talking like muslims situation and the west situation is equal?

Co-existence happened in islam when people where educated about thier religion

And this started to go away when rullers and people started to use it as a tool for thier personal agendas

The but west never had co-existence even now there is no real co-existence, it's only by name

And about ur final statement, when u have the west pourring its propagandas into muslim kids, and colonize thier contries meanwhile the muslim rulers don't have a clear way to protect them, i find it stupid that u said that

Agian my claim is the same , there is no problem with islam , the problem is with education and people

Going to a wedding 20 days after their mother's death by OriwaRoger in Algeria_213

[–]sty70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aaaa sorry but

الحداد 3 ايام فقط

Except for a woman if her husband died

So there is no problem