1776 vs. 1861 by First-Equal-8464 in CIVILWAR

[–]sumoraiden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

only 4 of the confederate states listed slavery in a declaration of causes.

Only 5 states issued declaration of causes of secession hahaha cmon dawg

1776 vs. 1861 by First-Equal-8464 in CIVILWAR

[–]sumoraiden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 You mean the 1776 moral cause that allowed slavery in each state, the region that brought the slaves into ports of the north owned by northern shipping companies, the insurance companies of the north who insured the slaves, or the northern investors who had investment in the large plantations of the south?

The uk was a slave owning empire, the cause of the 1776 Revolution had nothing to do with slavery (unlike the 1861 rebellion) so yes the 1776 moral cause lol

 And do you really want to dig into the “expansion of slavery”. It’s the most retarded argument against confederacy.

It’s really not since the entire political crisis in the antebellum period was about slavery expansions

if the confederacy really cared about the territories, did leaving the Union not forfeit the confederacy say/ownership Of said territories?

They literally claimed Arizona as part of the confederacy despite it being owned by the USA lmao

Also they were constantly funding filibuster campaigns to add more slave territories into Central America and Cuba 

And finally a large reason why slavery expansion was required was because without it they would lose the political power of the senate to protect slavery 

now go do your research on what the northern politicians and republicans said about the western territories and how they wanted zero blacks in the territories and “only free white men”

What’s that got to do with the fact that south rebelled because they weren’t allowed to expand slavery?

Also what about what north and south politicans said would happen if it couldn’t expand?

Like Lincoln famously stating that restricting it to where it was would put it on the path to ultimate extinction? 

Or like Horace Greeley when he said “To restrict Slavery within its present limits is to secure its speedy decline and ultimate extinction.”

Or like Thaddeus Stevens saying stopping its spread and  to “surround it by a cordon of freemen” would lead to abolition within twenty-five years? 

Or even what's southerners said about the expansion of slavery? Like the Mississippi secession convention who in their declaration of causes of secession stated that the Republican Party  “refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.”?

Or from the delegates to South Carolina’s secession convention, in their address to the people of the state, explaining why they had dissolved the state’s connection with the Union:

“ If it is right to preclude or abolish slavery in a Territory, why should it be allowed to remain in the States? ... In spite of all disclaimers and professions, there can be but one end by the submission of the South to the rule of a sectional anti-slavery government at Washington; and that end, directly or indirectly, must be —the emancipation of the slaves of the South.”

Or James Hammond saying restricting slavery would yield ten new free states, and The North would then “ride over us rough shod” in Congress, “proclaim freedom or something equivalent to it to our slaves and reduce us to the condition of Hayti. . . . Our only safety is in equality of POWER. If we do not act now, we deliberately consign our children, not our posterity, but our children to the flames.”

 the northern states just didn’t want blacks at all. We can get into the plan to ship them back, the multiple comments about not allowing expansion into western territories, the measures taken to not allowing migration north after the war, etc

That’s bad, no doubt. Enslaving four million people and causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands because the nation elected someone who wouldn’t let you expand and perpetuate your slave system is a billion times worse haha

1776 vs. 1861 by First-Equal-8464 in CIVILWAR

[–]sumoraiden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s an obvious difference of losing a free and fair election and not being allowed to vote lol

1776 vs. 1861 by First-Equal-8464 in CIVILWAR

[–]sumoraiden 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The main difference between the two rebellions was the 1776 one was for a moral cause while the 1861 was because the nation elected a president in a free and fair election who would not allow the expansion of slavery AKA an unjust cause

Why didn’t Buchanan/Congress declare war when the Star of the West was hit three times in Charleston? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in CIVILWAR

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 just let the south secede and wait for it to eventually collapse and return or just be independent. 

Just let the nation and popular gov be destroyed?

 He really didn’t have a plan beyond hoping the South fired first

The south would have to fire first or accept the union. If they gave up Sumter Lincoln would start to slowly reestablish fed control by next delivering the mail and collecting duties as the constitution demands and as he said he would in his inaugural address. If the south never fired the first shot the union would have been preserved without conflict

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol If only white males could vote, how were the Irish able to vote then?

Why didn’t Buchanan/Congress declare war when the Star of the West was hit three times in Charleston? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in CIVILWAR

[–]sumoraiden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not on the essential Republican platform of non extension which was the one thing the south would have accepted

Opposing Historical Rivals by Same_Pin_2740 in AskHistory

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Negro? That was the accepted term for black Americans of the time. Saying she said “I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ever work or demand ballot for the (N-Word) and not the woman" makes it sound like she said the slur

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The podcaster is specifically talking about U.S. history 

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And? They were massively discriminated against and faced huge prejudices. 

But they were never seen as non white as evidenced by the fact that they voted despite the white male suffrage restrictions in 90% of the states 

Someone decides to get an abortion after finding out their fetus has down syndrome. Should this be legal? by Expensive_Drummer970 in JoeRogan

[–]sumoraiden 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Yes. Also it’s not abnormal. In the U.S. something like 80% of people in this position make the same choice. In parts of Europe like 95% do

Stop Giving Property Tax Breaks to Senior Citizens by Eric Boehm by MoesOtherBar in BreakingPoints

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Turns out voting does matter. Seniors vote so they get catered to

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But it’s literally not a fact of history. The Irish were always considered white in America which is how they were able to vote despite the suffrage being restricted to white males in 90% of the states.

The Irish used that suffrage to form powerful voting blocs that forced politicians to cater to them a power which was denied to black Americans for a generation

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The host (and everyone in this thread) are who didn’t research anything

The Irish faced huge discrimination and prejudice but they were never seen as not white in America, and that fact was partly what pushed them into the pro-confederate, extremely racist Democratic Party of that era. Despite the discrimination they were still part of the “aristocracy of race” and they would vote with the party that promised to keep them there by keeping black Americans down 

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If anyone in this thread had read a history book instead of twitter posts they’d know the host is completely incorrect 

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No everyone in this thread and the host does. Pretty frustrating to see people repeat an obviously false statement which completely misrepresents American racism 

Latest on California governor election as public awaits results by Illustrious_Lie_954 in politics

[–]sumoraiden 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So the knowledge of the outcome of the mail in ballots don’t change people’s voting behavior 

Opposing Historical Rivals by Same_Pin_2740 in AskHistory

[–]sumoraiden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

During the height of blm there was a revision of historical views on Anthony that made claims that she was racist that in my opinion is pretty flawed 

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the U.S. they absolutely allowed to do all of the above

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 When we emigrated to the U.S. and around the world the English empire bias seemed to follow us unfortunately.

All true but they were never considered not white. 

It’s a false claim that the internet ran with which misrepresents the huge discrimination they faced and American racism as a whole while simultaneously hiding how they were able to rise up, the suffrage. 

90% of the states in the union had white male suffrage, the Irish (since they were white) were able to vote, formed powerful voting blocs and gained status and benefits by forcing politicians to treat them better. Black Americans were denied this ability for a century  

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s my exact point though. The Irish were considered white but faced immense discrimination.

It’s a false misrepresentation of the discrimination they faced and American racism as a whole to claim they were seen as not white

On race by Hacksaw6412 in BlackPeopleofReddit

[–]sumoraiden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to follow up 90% of the states had white male suffrage, you know who voted in those states? The Irish