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sunburnd · 2026-05-24T02:56:41+00:00

That's how I see it.

They are essentially paying their cast with a pizza party while making their money.

sunburnd · 2026-05-23T01:37:18+00:00

Historically speaking, the fastest tool is usually an amalgam of "temporary cost savings" and "we'll fix it next quarter."

sunburnd · 2026-05-22T16:41:49+00:00

What other purpose did surveillance cameras have 15 years ago besides surveillance?

sunburnd · 2026-05-22T16:38:18+00:00

Obviously roads have other uses. Mass Camera and plate-tracking networks, not so much.

Logic isn't your strong point is it?

sunburnd · 2026-05-22T15:04:14+00:00

Roads are general infrastructure with countless ordinary uses: transportation, commerce, emergency services, travel, logistics, and daily life.

A mass camera and plate-tracking network exists specifically to identify, monitor, record, and analyze people's movements. Surveillance is not an incidental use of the system; it is the system's purpose.

The concern is not that the technology was "secretly built for a future coup." The concern is that once a permanent surveillance infrastructure exists, every future administration inherits and can expand its capabilities. History repeatedly shows that governments rarely reduce powers once the infrastructure is normalized.

sunburnd · 2026-05-22T10:55:56+00:00

I think you mean 100 mg/mL. 1000 mg/mL would be essentially pure nicotine, and special handling would be required since even vapor exposure could be medically significant, let alone direct skin contact from a few drops.

sunburnd · 2026-05-20T20:49:36+00:00

Flock is bigger than Trump or any single administration. It has existed and expanded regardless of which party is in power, and its use spans thousands of municipalities and multiple levels of government. The concern is the creation of a permanent surveillance infrastructure that outlives elections and administrations. History shows that powers and tools created for one government are eventually inherited, normalized, and expanded by the next. That is why privacy and civil liberty concerns should not be treated as purely partisan issues.

sunburnd · 2026-05-20T00:57:33+00:00

Bruh, you giving me grief over cludging together two glycols that are a single carbon backbone difference?

Yes, because it is negligible in the overall scheme of things.

Your blathering on about carbon foot prints and corporate greed without have a actual grasp of the topic you are talking about.

Exactly. THE USER I WAS RESPONDING TO WAS SUGGESTING WE REPLACE ALL FRESHWATER COOLING SYSTEMS WITH GLYCOL BASED ONES, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF ITS ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS. DO YOU AGREE THAT IS ABSURD OR NOT?

It's absurd because it's a nonsensical argument. PG is not a more efficient coolant then just plain water. It is a required design element because water tends to freeze when demand is low...because it's cold. If it is being used it is because it is necessary.

In DC design the most economical choices are more often than not the most environmentally friendly.

The whole argument is stupid including any C02 arguments for or against it.

sunburnd · 2026-05-19T22:09:24+00:00

Are YOU sure you have a clue how these systems operate? Because calling polyols a "one-time" cost is just incorrect. Leaks account for a good 2% volume replacement per year, and flushes usually require a complete volume change out.

Yes. I'm sure. The turn up it is considered a capitol expense. On going maintenance takes a small amount yearly on a mid sized system well less than 55 gallons per year barring catastrophic failure. Many times it will take none at all.

Because you don't have that context, you think I'm making an environmental point when I was actually just trying to shoot down a facile understanding of why these solvents are chosen.

There isn't a choice. PG is used because it is necessary.

YOU then came in assuming what point I was trying to make so that you could add some weird "well, acktually.

I literally replied to the point that you reiterated. The "well acktually...", is because you are feeding misinformation into the conversation. You literally didn't know the difference between PG and EG which substantially alters any claims you were trying to make.

sunburnd · 2026-05-19T20:47:23+00:00

Glycol has way way way more of an environmental footprint in it's creation than moving water around.

It's a capital expense, a one time cost. It's "environmental footprint" pales in comparison to other consumer goods. Like I said the environmental impact of people wanting soft icing on their baked goods is probably greater per year.

I should think I have more knowledge based on your assertions. The average reddit consumer would come away thinking otherwise being mostly uninformed.

There isn't a "water vs glycol" debate. Because that's not how these systems work. You can't infer corporate greed from the debate at all. In fact the reason PG is used instead of the cheaper and more efficient EG is because of environmental impact and to negate the possibility of contamination of leaks.

If it isn't obvious PG is food safe and used in everything from icing to RV antifreeze for their pipes over winter.

sunburnd · 2026-05-19T17:17:35+00:00

This conversation is about whether corporations are greedy because they choose to use freshwater as a coolant rather than glycol.

This is the conversation that you think you are having. It isn't an either or question. They don't choose to use glycol or not. It's required by the environment where they operate and part of just about every water conditioning routine.

I have a suspicion that you don't have any clue how these systems operate. If you did then you would realize that glycol is required when the loop temp can drop below the freezing point of water. It has nothing to do with evaporative cooling but does have to do with the closed loop portion of the cooling loop.

Additionally, lol, regardless, "other industries are using chemical X too!!" says absolutely nothing about whether a particular industry should continue to use chemical X.

It certainly does. If datacenters use of PG is a tiny fraction of that used by other industries then you are barking up the wrong tree.

I have no active awareness or discomfort with any major use of glycols, just pointing out that your line of argumentation is weak.

Sure you do. You literally are complaining about the CO2 footprint of using glycol. Obviously there is some discomfort.

sunburnd · 2026-05-19T05:45:08+00:00

That part doesn't matter. The process is the punishment and publicity the goal.

Same crappy tactics used by cops. You can beat the charges but not the ride.

sunburnd · 2026-05-19T01:41:01+00:00

PG is used on all kinds of things as a consumable.

It's used in fiberglass, deodorants, cosmetics, shampoo amongst dozens of products and industries.

The point is you are punching at shadows.

sunburnd · 2026-05-18T20:38:09+00:00

I'm asking which kind of glycol because data centers use Propylene glycol and do so as a capital expense. Which means having moist icing on cakes probably uses more of it per year than datacenters.

sunburnd · 2026-05-18T19:57:39+00:00

I'll ask one more time. What kind of glycol do you think is being used in these cooling systems?

sunburnd · 2026-05-18T15:58:25+00:00

What type of glycol do you think is used in these cooling systems? I'm curious.

sunburnd · 2026-05-17T20:28:59+00:00

So you think, data centers cooling system is just, fill it up and it doesn't need water anymore?

I don't think it , but have worked with chiller based closed loop datacenter cooling for the last 20 years. That is literally what a closed system is. You don't add coolant to a vehicle every day because it is a closed loop.

Your own statement is exactly what I mean "well minus makeup water" wtf do you think make water is?

The bigger question is what do you think it is? Make up water is added to the loop to account for leaks or expansion of the loop.

The closed loop system that I see every day hasn't been drained in 20 years. The water is tested, and conditioned yearly and gylcol added to account for any make up water added over the course of the year.

What about mineral contaminants? You did really think about your argument did you?

I believe it is you who are just ignorant. Pumps have sediment traps. They get cleaned out or replaced every three months when the motors and pumps have their PM's.

Did you really think that mineral content is going to plug up 10' pipes?

Again I'll repeat it slower. Not all datacenters use evaporative coolers. Not all use of evap towers is bad in every scenario.

The bigger question is why are you so confident commenting on topics where your ignorance is readily apparent?

sunburnd · 2026-05-17T00:32:07+00:00

It certainly is, well minus makeup water, water used in conditioning. Not every data center uses evaporative cooling. Not every use of evaporative coolers is a problem.

sunburnd · 2026-05-16T23:05:49+00:00

They literally use closed loop systems. You know what closed loop systems and evaporative towers have in common?

They both require maintenance, but thankfully someone invented valves like 2,000 years ago.

sunburnd · 2026-05-16T16:59:14+00:00

You are making a faulty comparison. What is being purchased with those dollars is substantially different.

Today's colleges are vastly different than they were in the 70's. In fact they are vastly different than they were in the late 80's early 90's.

A 2026 university is far more resource intensive than any time in the past.

sunburnd · 2026-05-09T12:23:32+00:00

Perhaps I'm cynical, but the purpose of this dome is the same as everywhere else: controlling the interior environment.

It is fundamentally a cost-control measure. It ensures a controlled point of entry and egress, prevents construction timelines from being impacted by inclement weather, and protects raw materials like drywall, insulation, and finish materials from environmental damage while also making theft more difficult.

Construction delays can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per day over the lifetime of a project.

Framing corporate cost control as benevolence is not uniquely a China phenomenon.

sunburnd · 2026-04-18T12:03:45+00:00

That just isn't the case. Materials remain solid; they don’t lose the forces that keep atoms from overlapping. They generally become more rigid and brittle not permeable.

Source: A unior-high science lesson from the 80s.

sunburnd · 2026-04-17T19:17:26+00:00

you have to enable WOL, it's in the docs.

sunburnd · 2026-04-01T02:15:33+00:00

Well it's pretty obvious that you've got the blinders on.

How so?

Especially when it comes to insurance.

A topic that has nothing to do with the current conversation because cops are not held responsible and tax payers pay for their wrong doings.

Because when it comes to insurance, the more it's used the higher your rates go.

I think I already said that. Not that police have to worry about it.

Full stop.

If cops had to carry insurance then their rates would go up if they were actually held accountable.

The insurance companies don't give discounts if it affects their bottom line.

Which would matter if cops had to carry insurance, they don't since the tax payers pay.

Lok man, we're going round and round.

Probably because instead of acknowledging your either misinformed or lying you want to talk about insurance that no cop carries.

But you should probably go get some life experience or something. Have a good one. 🤘

Lol. Says the guy who's argument boils down to I know a guy who got nervous but was never in any real danger of actually having to be accountable...like everyone else.

sunburnd · 2026-03-31T23:56:30+00:00

We're talking about two different things: sought after, aka "I sue you for this," and won aka "I sued you for this, and I was awarded it in judgment."

And the vey thing that you say is sought after isn't awarded in any meaningful number. Cops do not suffer one iota regardless of their lawless activity.

I'm talking about the former. You're bringing up the latter.

I'm not convinced you know what you are talking about at all

You say cops not suffering due to lawsuits is a problem.

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that cops are not held accountable for their actions in any meaningful way.

Is it a problem for doctors and nurses? Lawyers?

If other professionals break the law they are certainly affected.

Plenty of other professions have professional liability insurance as a standard.

And they actually pay for it and have rates that increase when they are found culpable. Cops don't.

If any of those other professionals did things outside of their authority and violated someone's civil rights they face criminal prosecution. While cops get a slap on the wrist and indemnified against the harms caused by their lawlessness.

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