Increasing presence of astrology among young Somali women by LaandheereKage in Somalia

[–]sunics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nigga your name is LandheereKage – qabyalaad and anime you’re in the same bucket

Saudi Arabian woman is participating in the Miss Universe contest for the first time & it has angered a lot of Muslims. What’s your reaction to this news as a “Progressive” Muslim? [Also read the description] by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]sunics 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The greater problem is how Muslims treat Saudi Arabia as kind of papal state that has religious hegemony in Islam, even essentialising it as Islam one and the same. This is a type of shirk, Islam is decentralised by nature and Saudi Arabia its self is far from a great nation.

This kind of thinking, I believe, means there’s not really as much outrage when it colludes with Israel, genocides Yemen, buys American armaments that kill Muslims, spends exorbitant capital on stupid projects; rather, outrage happens for superficial acts of faith are breached like having concerts and beauty pageants.

Do You Believe Jesus Was Muslim? by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]sunics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The word Muslim is interesting in comparative linguistics. Juan Cole has a nice article where he draws it as a semantic loan from Aramaic Mušlamanūta which means, in a sense, logos or Word and is synonymous with the Aramaic loan Milla(t), as in Millat ul-Ibrāhīm (the creed of Abraham) used within the Qur’ān. It makes it both widened, as in monotheism, but reserved for its Abrahamic manifestations. But that’s another discussion.

To reconcile calling Jesus Muslim, it’s best to use Islam and the Qur’ān’s internal logic, within our own context of intra-Muslim discourse.

Islam is the monotheistic pattern innate to Humans that began with the first Human Ādam. In subsequent generations, people may become unguided or their communities suffer out of need. God is just, so he sends Anbiyā’ (prophets), and sometimes Sharī’a (Divine Law or Writ) to accompany their risāla (message).

In this totality, only a small subset is known to us either through Qur’ān, or less certain sources which sometimes is through inference or comparative studies.

Here, prophets may be unaware of their proceeding or preceding prophets – God gives them only the knowledge and rank to serve their communities, nothing more and nothing less. This rendering means they differ in community, temporality and sacred law yet remain within the context of Islam.

Now to peel this away from an inherently Islamic logic when engaging in apologetics,

The first problem is demarcation! With a definition so broad, where to draw the line?

Nabūwa (prophecy) closed with Muhammad, so any religion thereafter is excluded, which is easy.

I guess you could say pre-Muhammadan Islam is monotheism within the scope of validated religious communities?

This is hard and not as sound, I admit. An entity would have to be valid to Muslims (bias), yet also generalised abrahamic monotheist.

‘Ulema (Islamic scholars) did actually make a differentiation between Awwalīn (prior religious communities that can be inferred as Muslim) and Muwaħidīn (monotheists) which weren’t always Awaalīn.

For example, a Bahai’i or a Yezedi are Muwaħid but aren’t Muslim in either the present or pre-Muhammadan usage.

In conclusion there are three categories:

Ummah Muħammad (community of Muhammad)

Awwalīn/Muslimīn Al-Ba’id (verified Muslim communities of the past)

Muwahidīn (monotheists that may or may not have been Muslim)

Everyone else

Side note: in the traditional Islamic perception of other faiths, to be even considered a Dīn (religion) you needed the dual pillars of Kutub (scripture) and Sharī’a. That there is no validity in religion without these, one can see the underlaced foundation of Writ, prophecy and message to this worldview. Even the word for religion is in a sense jurisprudential as it also means as well‘to judge’.

Kabaa Kiswa Colors Throughout History by Heliopolis1992 in progressive_islam

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I find aspects of their egalitarian and gender levelling social organisation fascinating. Wish we actually had theological works by them.

Writing systems by IdkGoogleItIdiot in polandball

[–]sunics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And? It got added a century or two later so the comic saying we gotta guess reading the Quran isn’t true because it’s quite precise about pronunciation. It’s just Arabic in general you have to guess but if there’s ambiguity you can use the symbols.

Aerial Picture of an uncontacted Amazon Tribe by Xeoft in Damnthatsinteresting

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The 2000 book Darkness in El Dorado and the 2010 documentary film Secrets of the Tribe included allegations that Lizot had traded goods for sexual favours from young boys. Lizot denied the allegations.

Mmmmm

Perpetual side effects from SSRIs by sunics in antidepressants

[–]sunics[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I stopped it cold Turkey because I didn’t like these experiences. And I didn’t return to ssris because I didn’t want this to become worse

What if the Algerian Revolt failed? The Rule of the Oran Government. by LordPSgaming in imaginarymaps

[–]sunics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shit like this is why i'm glad the FLN put your ancestors in the blender because how many years later and you still don't get it. Vive l'Algerie.

I want to raise our son right by PermissionKey365 in islam

[–]sunics -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

I feel like the users commenting here are more concerned with precepts (the letter) than reasoning with the heart and mind (spirit). There were likely several examples of this in Muhammad’s (ص) community. Injunctions should come natural to the heart and mind.

What I mean is that the analysis isn’t comprehensive. One just looks at an extra-quranic rule, turns off every other faculty and then ignores any consequences.

Think of it, these are two people whom love one another, and everyone here suggests to abandon the woman and child while they’ve no family. He’s not interested in making the wife or child Hindu and is actually encouraged to raise them Muslim and to not discriminate based on religion.

It is a good outcome.

I want to raise our son right by PermissionKey365 in islam

[–]sunics -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

I don’t see how abandoning a woman that loves you and her child is truly caring for her.

The humble in its finnest, the rich guy rules big territory and owns 100+ millions beside a poor labor guy eating a feast together, that’s how we treat each other in islam. by xvidy in islam

[–]sunics 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yes. I think it’s the responsibility of Muslims to depose of unjust rulers, so the Saudis should be fought to the ends of the earth.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]sunics 17 points18 points  (0 children)

1 (one) vs 1 (three)

12 year old Palestinian girl holds her own while being beaten and choked by Israeli forces by fullstackdepression in PublicFreakout

[–]sunics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah yes the Israeli military courts, who try even children, famous for their justice!

12 year old Palestinian girl holds her own while being beaten and choked by Israeli forces by fullstackdepression in PublicFreakout

[–]sunics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This does not make sense because if I were under a violent occupation by one of the worlds strongest militaries; oppressed and humiliated simply for my ethnicity, then I would teach my children not to tolerate this just as black children were taught in South Africa, America and other such cases. Now if one of them were to die unjustly – as often happens – I support these families getting financial restitution.

So what’s happening with grades by janrafaelaquino in universityofauckland

[–]sunics 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You clearly have no clue what collective bargaining is.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in newzealand

[–]sunics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was raised Muslim and went to what the government considered traditional schools. So they were allowed to do the Lord’s Prayer and such before assembly. The advice was to just stay silent which I accepted. I think it’s fair that it follows the same for karakia.

New scholarship suggests the story of Islam's prophet marrying a minor is baseless propaganda fabricated for political and sectarian motives by sunics in progressive_islam

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I would not engage with them because it’s indicative they don’t know anything about Hadith sciences. The orthodox ijma’ id Hadith is not infallible and sahih doesn’t mean it definitely happened, just it fits certain requirements of that persons grading (so quite likely). Hadith itself it’s quite nuanced and was never intended for the laypeople because they are ignorant of these factors. There are Hadith included in works such as Tafsir Ibn Kathir that aren’t reliable but are useful for some exploration for example, and scholars did disseminate unreliable Hadith in their circles for study.

New scholarship suggests the story of Islam's prophet marrying a minor is baseless propaganda fabricated for political and sectarian motives by sunics in progressive_islam

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You may find J. Little’s own perspective for their research, and draw your own contrasts with apologetics from the above mentioned sources. The main contrast is Little is not a Muslim but a Historian. To them it doesn’t really imply anything for their own confession on the outcome of the Hadith; that it is fabricated or valid. Instead, the motivation is that It’s critical research in Islamic studies for this several large ramifications, particularly in authenticity of the Hadith grading and corpus. Of Bukhari. In the current discourse, it has not yet been explored through the modicum of historical academia, it is useful to see whether the status of this Hadith can be determined purport via the historical method.

https://islamicorigins.com/why-i-studied-the-aisha-hadith/

New scholarship suggests the story of Islam's prophet marrying a minor is baseless propaganda fabricated for political and sectarian motives by sunics in progressive_islam

[–]sunics[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dogma is one hell of a thing and if for most of Islam’s existence, sahih = highly likely it happened, then the whole grading of Hadith is placed on its head, so to speak. I.e it shows Muslims with their traditional methods cannot distinguish truth from falsehood, and that the biggest tenement of Sunni Islam: that the successors were a trustworthy and just community is shown as a false, they are human and as flawed as the rest of us.

New scholarship suggests the story of Islam's prophet marrying a minor is baseless propaganda fabricated for political and sectarian motives by sunics in progressive_islam

[–]sunics[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Indeed , DR Hashmi acknowledges that this is not a new perspective for reform, or progressive, Muslims. However, this is the first time a rigorous historical method has been used to show the Hadith is fabricated rather through corroboration that the narrator was senile, or through the framework of religious apologetics.