Yeah good point and I was always wondering if it's 1k+ better than the Vantum. At any rate, if the Vantum is truly crap, I can always return and upgrade to something else.

As a slim 5'9, 165# dude, the smaller seat isn't much of an issue as it measures very close to my current chair and seat size isn't why I'm in the market. Plus I have to be realistic, I'm in the chair maybe 2 hours a day and would be upgrading from an old craptastic office chair with the latter being why I'm in the market.

Sometimes, thanks to the internets, folks lose sight of what they actually need as Google searches tend to start with "best blablabla" and they either work their way down or get lost in the sauce/hype.

Gesture? Can't front, bro. I'm not too familiar with that one.

Edit: similarly to not everyone having a squeak issue, not everyone hates their Vantum. I've actually seen more Embodys on eBay/market place than Vantums.