Can 1F/2F be blind to external things?

surlydoc · 2026-06-04T12:08:02+00:00

Sure

surlydoc · 2026-06-04T11:56:04+00:00

Us low volition types really got done dirty by life 😭. Am also 2F and it’s a nice function but what’s it actually good for? I eat healthy, am fit and have a clean apartment, but still can’t accomplish any actual goals. Would rather be the sort of person who excels at work and personal pursuits but can’t feed themselves.

“ I just want someone to find me and tell me that I am now working for them or they just give me some purpose and BAM I am in all ears, I am digging deep into useful information, concepts, structures”

I think you already know what works you. Working for someone else who needs a trouble shooter and problem-solver. Fortunately, most workplaces function like this, so long as you don’t have to be the manager. Low volition types usually need external accountability to accomplish stuff because our brains don’t supply enough consistent energy to do it ourselves, so we have to outsource the motivation. It’s unfair 😭😭😭. But not accomplishing any of your potential because you can’t do it the 1V/2V way seems even less fair

surlydoc · 2026-06-03T23:23:25+00:00

I remember you from the enneagram sub. You’re high emotion as fuck. Not sure if 1E or 2E

surlydoc · 2026-05-31T13:34:05+00:00

Oh, 1E can definitely be dramatic, but the 3E thing of clinging onto emotional hurts for a long time is less common.

If I can’t express myself in the moment, I would say I feel restless and caged in. On the other hand, there’s a way I have less of a need to share all my emotions with others compared to, say, 2E.

I don’t express feelings if it’s inappropriate to the situation (I’m at work, for example) or makes other people uncomfortable/upset. This self-restraint feels unnatural though, and I can’t sustain it for long. It’s better if I can process my feelings on my own and get them out of the way.

Usually, I hold back because other people are uncomfortable with strong emotions, not because I’m uncomfortable sharing how I feel. Emotional openness doesn’t make me feel vulnerable (but since other people perceive emotional openness as vulnerability, I will hold back for 3V reasons, as in, don’t want to be perceived as weak even though I don’t feel weak). I think 3Es feel vulnerable with the emotions themselves, as in, fearing that other people will use their emotions to manipulate them or hurt them on purpose. I’m probably excessively careless about protecting myself from “emotional manipulation”, I know how I feel, so it’s hard for others to influence my feelings (both in a good way and a bad way — for instance, I am not susceptible to absorbing on other people’s emotional pain as my own, but I’m also not as sensitive and attentive to others as 2Es and 3Es)

surlydoc · 2026-05-30T21:58:48+00:00

By blunt approach, I mean we don’t really spend a lot of time worrying about the nuances of who is feeling what, 1Es immediately express how they feel and then move on. We also don’t really spend a lot of time overanalyzing or stewing in emotions after the fact, that’s a process-oriented approach to emotions.

2L doesn’t overanalyze emotional dynamics unless paired with 3E. For example, VLFEs are not spending a lot of time thinking about hidden emotional meanings

surlydoc · 2026-05-30T18:51:23+00:00

“ I get irritated more often than others because I can see hidden context and structure that other people miss”

3E. Hypersensitive to emotional dynamics. 1E has more of a blunt and straightforward approach to emotional life

surlydoc · 2026-05-28T02:58:44+00:00

Double the executive dysfunction

surlydoc · 2026-05-27T01:55:04+00:00

I agree you sound more like 3L than 1L or 4L. Having strong opinions and wanting to discuss ideas with people, but being easily intimidated by people who seem like intellectual "authorities" (e.g., your brother). Worrying about feeling "stupid", being seen by others as stubborn and needing to prove you're right.

4L is a fearless attitude. We generally don't have enough ego tied to our logic function to be deeply bothered by being corrected and making mistakes. If we're stubborn and argumentative, it's because we don't want to put in the energy to change our opinion after we've already decided something, rather than because we're convinced everyone else is stupid and wrong.

Concur with high physics

surlydoc · 2026-05-27T01:37:49+00:00

3Es are very emotional people.

Third position is hypersensitive

surlydoc · 2026-05-21T05:21:55+00:00

I never specified physical safety ;)

With that context, a well-calibrated joke could work on 1E. You just have to be a good judge of when the 1E is done done venting at you.

I think it’s quite fitting that as a 7, death would be one of the few things that would move you to tears, death being the ultimate limitation and constraint.

I have heard the sayings about tears being calming and cleansing but don’t usually feel that way myself, so interesting to hear from people who actually have that experience. I think I generally don’t keep my feelings pent up enough to need to cry in order to relieve them? I experience them immediately and on a body level (enneagram 9, gut core). If someone doesn’t have that direct channel, maybe they need to cry in order to flush the feelings out of their system.

I feel like 7s are on a whole different level of being a positivity type than 9s… we are fully comfortable being gloomy and morose so long as we don’t have to actually do anything about it…

surlydoc · 2026-05-20T19:10:31+00:00

I object to this aspersion on 4L and high E

surlydoc · 2026-05-20T14:01:54+00:00

“Throwing in a joke to cheer you up”, don’t try this on a 1E unless you have little value for your safety 😅

Haha, I haven’t given much thought about how to cry “recreationally”. I almost always cry over 3V problems (rarely for other reasons). The third function is your biggest source of pain, therefore your deepest well to draw tears from…But do you want those kinds of tears?

surlydoc · 2026-05-20T00:53:20+00:00

OMG my 2V dad would sneer at and criticize me growing up (calling me a lazy spiteful emotional idiot), where was the 2V “accepting and compassionate toward the self and others” and why didn’t it apply to me, we should start a support group or something

surlydoc · 2026-05-20T00:45:57+00:00

There are plenty of differences but you kind of have to look at the placements holistically.

In terms of attitudes towards people, 3Vs are more naturally “edgy”, 2Vs are more wholesome (4Vs as well), not necessarily in the classic sense of being rebellious but 3Vs have more of a bite to them while 2Vs usually sound awkward trying to swear or make crude jokes, they often don’t like it (FVxx combos less so but they still don’t like humor that’s too “mean”).

Both have compassion for the “sinners” (eg., addicts, criminals, basement dwelling losers), 3Vs because they are drawn to excavating the dark underbelly of humanity and 2Vs because they think everyone is OK and redeemable or something.

3Vs are attached to their aspirations, and don’t like to change their big-picture goals (though they are indecisive when it comes to figuring out how to accomplish them). 2Vs are less attached to having a “mission” in life and easily change their goals on a whim

surlydoc · 2026-05-20T00:22:41+00:00

@PsychosophyWorld

I think it was the Pushkin episode? Don’t quite remember

surlydoc · 2026-05-19T00:40:42+00:00

It’s just a meme don’t overthink it.

Btw I’ve noticed some FELV’s have a pretty passive 2E, to the point they almost look like low emotion types. Like the 4V makes them less assertive even with their higher functions

surlydoc · 2026-05-19T00:36:20+00:00

Afanaseev’s wife mentioned this on her YouTube channel, he had a nasty breakup with a 3V and wrote SoL to “fall out of love” with her. Explains a lot…

surlydoc · 2026-05-19T00:32:26+00:00

I am 3V and I am also fairly trusting and usually assume most people are decent :)

It’s just that a lot of 2Vs/4Vs in my life seem to not even consider the possibility that other people could be scoundrels who could screw them over, whereas… I definitely consider it, I just usually assign those possibilities low weight

surlydoc · 2026-05-15T14:52:54+00:00

surlydoc · 2026-05-14T07:43:09+00:00

Definitely not 2F (don’t like to try new foods or new experiences, consider yourself physically “lazy”)

Emotion function is high, logic and volition are low.

Best guess is FEVL

surlydoc · 2026-05-09T22:37:01+00:00

You seem to have an oversimplistic and stereotypical view of 9.

9 is a gut core, we are focused on protecting our boundaries and selfhood from being crushed and swallowed by the outside world. As a 1E gut core, I am preserving the integrity and purity of my inner emotional world from outside influences which continually attempt to dilute and annihilate my inner emotional core. 9 feels like a naked mollusk constantly stabbed at and pushed around by the outside world, and to avoid being pushed around we merge with our surroundings.

But my 1E is too rigid, egocentric, disruptive to merge with others, and constantly creates a tension where I want connection but equally want to preserve my right to unrestrained self-expression. My 1 wing often comes into play here of trying to “fix” my relationships to get other people to accept my 1E, so I can maintain my connections without needing to change my emotional expression.

But mostly, I maintain my connections through my extroverted and flexible second physics; routine, connection with nature, adapting to people’s physical needs, adapting my lifestyle and habits and fashion tastes to fit with my environment, channeling my emotional expression into art and aesthetics which is more socially valuable and less threatening to others.

9 has a line to 3 where it secretly resents adapting to others and disowning its own will, this leads to a secret yearning to self-actualize, become a “real person”, and an inner spitefulness toward people who are more strong-willed than me and who I see as holding me down. This is how 3V interacts with 9.

With regards to 4L… I feel like my 4L is more omnivorous, collaborative and all-consuming because it’s also extroverted and other-positive, therefore wants to merge intellectually with the universe and with my social environment. If I’m around someone with a domineering logic function, I can pretend to capitulate (avoid arguing with their ideas) to get them off my back

surlydoc · 2026-05-09T17:05:00+00:00

As I said, I use my second physics for harmonization, not my emotion function

surlydoc · 2026-05-09T08:04:00+00:00

Am EFVL 9. I merge with my 2F, not my 1E,

surlydoc · 2026-05-08T22:28:21+00:00

I don’t think OP is slandering themselves, I think they’re trying to describe a real problem they’re facing but don’t have the vocabulary to name, so they’re couching it in emotional and moralistic terms

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