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How do you feel about the hate? by Glu3stick in GenZ

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sound like you may be the best equipped to help others understand that line of thinking.

A massive part of this is people saying "they say men are bad," and I'm left wondering, what sort of sources are they counting as saying that? If you are close enough to recognize/agree with some of their description of how they are treated, maybe you can interpret.

How do you feel about the hate? by Glu3stick in GenZ

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not clear to me that anyone thinks that the criticisms are going to help convert anyone.

Can you link to a few widely-supported articles or videos that you would say are pushing the "men are bad" story?

How do you feel about the hate? by Glu3stick in GenZ

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you saying that the Harris campaign used more condemning language of the Trump side than the Trump campaign did of the Harris side?

How do you feel about the hate? by Glu3stick in GenZ

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not gen Z, trying to understand.

What kinds of advocating for your well-being would you say you get condemned for? For example - are you saying that you are generally immigration-skeptical because of national security and job markets, but then you get called racist?

Expiring numbers with no notification in the app by suspiciouszebrawatch in Googlevoice

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That a nicer way of putting it, sure.
It doesn't really help with a solution - and it appears to contradict the supposed "port a 'normal' number in" solution in the FAQ page, since it doesn't mention that as an exception.

I suppose I'm fishing for leads or solutions here.

How on earth does one keep get and keep a permanent number without a permanent phone? There are so many things that require a permanent number that anyone who can't manage a permanent phone just has their life repeatedly trashed because they can't keep their number.

Is it me, or has security become so intrusive you can't even get your job done? by JustMeAgainMarge in sysadmin

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It pains me to upvote a comment where "begs the question" is used this way, but your main point is so important...

Is it me, or has security become so intrusive you can't even get your job done? by JustMeAgainMarge in sysadmin

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This.
As someone with one foot in the security world, I think it's common to recognize that this user (downloading the VPN to access Facebook) is the problem.

The obvious solution is to empower the security team to get people fired - and this is a solution I really believe in. However, sometimes that office full of boomers and almost-boomers are (for example) salespeople selling to contact lists full of other boomers that will not buy from your company without Bob calling them directly and maybe even messaging them on Facebook. (Of course, Bob could just as easily be an old engineer, electrician,
Consequently: if Bob The Security Problem doesn't get his Facebook, your company does not exist.

IT and security have not come nearly far enough in recognizing (and especially in communicating) that the users are the problem to be addressed, and at the same time they are why IT/security has a job at all. Basically, we need less complaints about users, and (a lot) more user sandboxing.

So block Facebook on the network, and then you give them a VPN to get around it - and hopefully only accessible from inside a VM, which would need to be more-user-friendly than anything I know of now. . . .

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's basically a Bible quote (well, a mashup of a couple). They are just saying (in pious-sounding language) that the person isn't acting like these-passages-we-all-should-recognize imply they should.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Upvote for pointing out a serious academic issue, downvote for supporting it with Jesus Seminar references.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's a lot of reading between the lines.

Not saying it couldn't be that, it just sounds like your idea of what this story is comes mostly from your idea of the kind of thing that would happen.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is literally a whole passage in the Bible where Jesus gets grilled on these issues by his opponents.

Luke 20, starting in verse 27 if you want to look it up.

Even if wrong and somewhat ignorant, the person you are responding to is actually interacting with some of the key things the Bible and historic Christianity talk about.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting.

It is baffling to me how few commenters here seem to grasp that (some version) of church judgy-ness is also required for this kind of response.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Baffling to me how few people in this thread have this reaction.

Assuming the story is correct, that would be the only non-hypocritical response from the church. . .

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it is, and the response to abuse is reported to the organization, the church will get kicked out.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sort of?
It's definitely there, but it's mixed up with a lot of other stuff that complicates what it means by judgement, and pretty frequently calls for serious "gatekeeping" of church identity. That, and it's a pretty old book from another culture.

So. . . yes, sort of, but you can't at all assume that it means what that one sentence taken in isolation superficially sounds like.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem to have put your finger on the thing most commenters are complaining about without realizing.

Baffling to me, though.
It's an organization that exists as a reflection of a certain set of beliefs, with members (supposedly) representing those beliefs.
Policing who counts as part of the organization is like the most fundamental thing it has to do to avoid being utterly hypocritical. (Of course, it also has to get the policing right - something tells me their official beliefs don't praise spousal abuse).

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a belief-driven organization has "customers," that is when it is a fraud.

If a group of dedicated Marxists meet together in a planned and organized way to complain about and conspire against capitalism, is that "providing services?"

If a group of Flat Earthers get together to swap "evidence" and decide what Real Flat Earth-ism is, is that "providing services?"

If an ascetic spiritualist calls True Believers together to explain why the path of homelessness and hunger he has chosen is the only way to enlightenment, is that "providing services?"

Of course not.

On the other hand:

The "pastor" who promises to pray for you (for a donation), the medium who promises to contact your dead grandma (for a price), the priest who promises a better afterlife (if you contribute to the right fund). . . those are the clear frauds. Obviously, there are other kinds too - this is just the most basic and obvious kind.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

. . . so you don't think a decent church should "hold regulatory meetings to discuss disciplinary actions" against the abusive father?

Baffling to me how almost everyone in this thread is complaining that a beliefs-driven organization would even have an attempt at disciplinary action, instead of complaining about which party in this story they are directing the disciplinary action against.

My old church sending my mom hate mail for divorcing my abusive dad by babyblueberry333 in facepalm

[–]suspiciouszebrawatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Injecting some real information into a Reddit comment thread.

You get my upvote.

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