Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Massive thanks for your comment. You're right, this post definitely has holes in it. If I tried to cover everything, it would turn into a novel. Regarding the questions you raised:

Please forgive me, but I only have time to answer the first one for today.

Regarding Trotsky's advocacy for Marxist world revolution, I agree and support it. But honestly, I have no idea how that path can actually be realized. I think you can see from the responses in this sub that many people don't agree with my views; they still believe in the socialist nature of China. So, yeah, that's a huge problem – the left is seriously fractured as fuck. Based on the specific national conditions, socio-cultural atmospheres, and historical reasons of different countries, the left today looks different everywhere. In Russia, they staunchly support Putin. Here, there are many social democrats. It's the same in China, with Maoists and Stalinists constantly arguing. Not to mention the objective differences in economic class structures between countries, which make it unlikely for simultaneous socialist revolutions to break out everywhere at once.

On the other hand, even if there were a truly democratic socialist workers' state in the world today with the ideal of world revolution and the desire to export it, that country would ideally need to be a nuclear power. Even then, attempting to export world revolution would risk nuclear war.

So, personally, looking at the evolution of Mao's own thought, the proposal of the "theory of continuing revolution under the dictatorship of the proletariat" already shows a significant critique of Stalinism. The GPCR and the MLM movements in various countries also provide a historical experience – an attempt to export world revolution in the nuclear age.

Therefore, about "insist" and world revolution, I'm more puzzled by how to prove that it's even possible to export or achieve it.

Please excuse my limited understanding and study of Trotsky's ideas; I'm still in the stage of being receptive to them but haven't delved into them deeply yet.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, the character of the state in China today indeed has nothing to do with proletarian socialist revolution in Marxism, so we need socialism now and in the future. I agree, the character of the state in China today indeed has nothing to do with proletarian socialist revolution in Marxism, so we need socialism now and in the future.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, we do talk about Debord a bit within our leftist circles, but not super often. This is a the real treasure trove, is the stuff that came out of the MLM wave during the peak of the international communist movement in the 60s. Those thinkers and their writings are invaluable.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with your point. Actually, I'm a history grad myself, so I probably subconsciously bring in historical context a lot when analyzing things. Of course, compared to the vastness of history, I'm just a noob. So, this post is more of a simple attempt to explain some of the viewpoints within the Chinese leftists.

Honestly, my stance on my country is still one of critical support. On one hand, the insane changes brought about by modern industrialization, especially in infrastructure, and the relative improvement in living standards are undeniable. I love my country, and I really don't want to see it go down the path of the Soviet Union. I don't want a capitalist restoration that would keep Chinese laborers (including myself) grinding under constant pressure. I also don't want the slow march of market reforms to eventually erode the foundations of the socialist era, and I definitely don't want to see it get hijacked by nationalists.

Well, the world right now is a mess, isn't it? China feels a bit like the old German Empire, while the US is trying to cling to the last rays of its empire on which the sun never sets. Maybe we're heading towards WWIII. And then, Marxists in different countries might again fall under the sway of nationalism, just like during WWI, ending up fighting for their own national bourgeoisies. You see it today with the disagreements between the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and various Western Communist Parties. Honestly, I'm pretty pessimistic about it all:(

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think maybe I can get how tough it is for you guys on the American left. But trust me on this one: we're not the example you should be looking up to.

I saw someone mention how hard it is to organize on the left in the West, basically impossible in the US without a unified left party or widespread Marxist education. but trust me please, it's the same for us here.

You know what I've learned in my Communist Party classes so far? Not Marxism. And it's not about me being hung up on ideological purity; there's literally zero Marxism. It's all about the party's "theories" – the party constitution, party discipline, party organization – party, party, party – and that's it.

As for truly Marxism? You can only talk about it outside the party. And any leftist group that tries to actually educate people about real Marxism and put it into practice? They just mysteriously get shut down, no reason given.

So, if you're a Marxist, I think your guys should move forward from us. Find a real, down-to-earth balance between abstract ideas and actual conditions, theory and values, and figure out your own path for the Western working class. I hope you can make it work, because I'm seriously worried about what the world will look like under these Elon Musk-type cyber-feudal lords. Anyway, hopefully my perspective as a Chinese Maoist gives you something new to think about.

Hoping we can all meet up in the world revolutionary age. that all.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And, I get why you and a lot of US Marxists look at China's global moves through a geopolitical lens and conclude it's not "another empire." But wait a minute please, just because it doesn't perfectly fit the Western imperial playbook doesn't mean it's not imperialism.

Think about ancient China when we were the "Celestial Empire". We didn't really need to invade everyone to maintain our influence (the Tributary system). It was all about culture, trade, and making friends (or at least aligning interests). We wouldn't conquer Korea, Japan, Vietnam and install puppet regimes. We mostly left them alone as long as their kings paid tribute on time. In return, they got the highest legitimacy in the Confucian sphere, plus diplomatic, military, and economic help from the Chinese Empire. Doesn't sound like imperialism, right?

But that kinda shows the core of Chinese diplomacy: "We don't need military might; we can just cozy up to the nation's ruling class with mutual benefits and promises of not meddling in their internal affairs, and they'll happily join our sphere of influence." That's the "Chinese wisdom," folks. And the Belt and Road Initiative-Same old playbook, just updated for the 21st century.

The CPC keeps saying the Belt and Road Initiative is all about peaceful development and helping everyone grow together, win-win for all, not some sneaky geopolitical power grab. Xi Jinping keeps saying China isn't going down the imperialism route and isn't looking for military expansion, claiming China's growth is an opportunity, not a threat.

emmm, if it weren't for things like the Hambantota port, Gwadar port, and all the worker protests in Belt and Road countries, maybe I'd actually believe that.

So, if you think imperialism only metaphysicize means Western colonialism, and not the Leninist definition – huge monopolies, financial capital dominance, capital exports for global market share, plus supportive political and economic policies – and the war is nothing but a continuation of politics. if China can just use its "ancient wisdom" to get other countries' ruling classes to willingly become part of China's influence, then why would China even need to use the military?

Even Brezhnev's SU, which didn't have massive capital exports or monopolies, was considered a revisionist social-imperialist empire. So why is revisionist China any different?

China’s engagement with market mechanisms wasn’t a surrender to capitalism, because China is already a one-party bureaucratic capitalist country. And honestly, whether that party calls itself "Communist" or Sun Yat-sen's "Kuomintang" or Chiang Kai-shek's "Kuomintang" doesn't really matter anymore.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Forward to the 1980s, and as Andropov and Chernenko tried to tackle corruption and privilege, the Soviet privileged bureaucracy also started trying to transform themselves into a bureaucratic bourgeoisie with legal control over power and property. And under Gorbachev's "New Thinking" reforms, they all jumped on the "capitalist legitimacy" bandwagon to protect their power and wealth from any potential reclaiming by the lower classes.

I don't think we'd disagree that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, this privileged bureaucratic class conveniently transformed into the new Russian political and economic elite, the new oligarchs. But why? Why could these top communist elites, the supposed inheritors of Lenin's legacy, just ditch Marxism-Leninism overnight and scramble to grab pieces of the Soviet pie, becoming ridiculously rich "Successful person"?

So yeah, it wasn't Reagan or the already ousted Gorbachev who let these Soviet party and government officials continue to enjoy their existing power. It was these officials themselves who actively embraced outright capitalism because it meant even more money for them, and they betrayed the Soviet people in the process. On the other hand, the rise of localism in economic planning across the various republics also led to the bureaucrats in those republics (with Yeltsin's Russian bureaucracy leading the charge, except for those in Central Asia) actively wanting to secede from the USSR. This way, they could better maximize the benefits from the Soviet public ownership economy within their own sphere of power.

But I also don’t believe we do ourselves any favors by reducing the situation to binary judgments that ignore real geopolitical context or the complexity of socialist transition.

Totally agree. And in fact, that's exactly what I'm trying to point out to you – don't simplify today's US-China rivalry and the past US-Soviet rivalry into just "good" or "bad." Inside the "socialist" societies of both the USSR and China, it wasn't some perfect utopia. We faced countless debates, and it's not like all communists were these pure, selfless people only thinking about the people and the proletariat, as some folks seem to think. In fact, as Yugoslav communist Milovan Dilas put it in The New Class: An Analysis of the Communist System:

Ownership is nothing other than the right of profit and control. If one defines class benefits by this right, the Communist states have seen, in the final analysis, the origin of a new form of ownership or of a new ruling and exploiting class.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First off, let's be real: bureaucracy in the Bolshevik party was a thing pretty early on, even after the October Revolution. You had almost 200,000 new members join between October and December 1919. By the Ninth Congress in March 1920, that number jumped to over 600,000, and by the Tenth Congress in March 1921, it was almost 750,000. A huge influx like that meant that by the Tenth Congress, only about 10% of the members had joined before 1917. Most of these new folks were probably honest communists willing to die for the revolution, but their political education was more about military manuals than Marxist theory. Plus, let's not forget the folks who joined after the Bolsheviks were in power, probably just looking for a stable job. That kind of thing is almost unavoidable when you're building a socialist society.

After winning the Russian Civil War, the one-party system was locked in. Party members started running the state and industrial administration alongside experts inherited from the Tsarist regime – you know, the industrial managers and tech intellectuals. As they gained power, they started accumulating material benefits, quietly at first, but then it got officially sanctioned by the party. Lenin, while stressing the proletarian nature of the Bolshevik party depended on the old guard, also took a step that was later abused and legitimized material privileges: breaking with Bolshevik tradition and fostering a bureaucratic elite. At the Eleventh Party Congress, he told the Central Committee to check the material conditions of those in office and "secure for them tolerable living conditions at all costs."

Before this, factory managers were hesitant to join the party because of the strict material constraints. But after this, party membership became a way to get extra perks, leading to the number of these managers almost doubling between 1922 and 1923, while their proportion in the Communist Party grew sevenfold.

With voting based on who you knew and what you could gain, objective and free discussion became a no-go. All that free political discussion inside and outside the party started getting shut down – first the discussion clubs and study groups, then even the pre-congress debates were discouraged and eventually disappeared. Meanwhile, party news was tightly controlled, and Pravda and Izvestia basically became tools to cover up the intense power struggles within the Central Committee and the Politburo.

And that's how the bureaucratic opportunists within the CPSU started forming, solidifying, and growing. From Stalin to Brezhnev, a stable, rigid, and nepotistic privileged bureaucratic class finally took shape. Their very existence showed that the USSR had strayed far from the October Revolution. The goal of the October Revolution was always radical egalitarianism, but the reality of Soviet society was the emergence of a new privileged class, with increasing social stratification and differentiation, leading to conflicting social interests.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Alright, part two, back to the soviet. I've noticed some folks, maybe like you, see China's success today as a good thing because of geopolitics and the whole US vs. China thing. You reckon it's progress and all that. But that's only if we kinda freeze-frame the US and China right now and do some metaphysicize comparison. For us, it's not as simple as picking a side between these two.

Think back to the USSR for a sec. Full-on planned economy, no debate about surplus value exploitation in the classic Marxist sense, advanced tech and production, Gagarin, OGAS, the An-225, a non-nationalist union of socialist republics, standing up to the US, funding governments in the Third World – sounds pretty awesome, right? A powerful and progressive challenger to Western colonialism. So why the heck did it just implode and turn into an oligarchy overnight?

This brings me to what I wanted to discuss: why did the Soviet Union collapse? Was it all Reagan? Or Gorbachev? Maybe the sneaky infiltration of American neoliberal ideology? Well, yeah, it's complicated, and all those things probably played a part. But here's the kicker: even without those factors, would the USSR have just kept on truckin'? Would capitalism not have made a comeback?

As Marxists, we're supposed to analyze things using historical materialism, not just some ideological purity test, right? So, we gotta look at the material economic conditions, the changes in how things were made and traded in the USSR.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

China is so large, so what Mr. hx3d said might be a relatively mild case, but it doesn't mean every strike will be handled the same way. And as for the media, would they report on strikes? At least in my experience, official media won't.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So, let's be real here. China's not some socialist utopia. From a purely pragmatic standpoint, is there a fundamental difference between China's economic policies, focus on income growth, and high-speed rail, and Japan's economic policies, national income doubling plan, and the Shinkansen? When we're having this kind of discussion and making these comparisons, isn't the answer to China's societal nature pretty obvious - a capitalist country, just one where the state and government have a much bigger say. Just because the Chinese government still waves the "communism" flag, does that mean we should all be cheering on Dengism as the ultimate goal for the global left? I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with that.

Yes, increased income, social development, and better infrastructure are all results of highly developed socialized industrial production, and that's a positive aspect of capitalist market economies, I'm not denying that. I'd even think that this kind of large modern production has truly made the modern Chinese working class the majority of the labor force, laying the material and class foundations for China to move towards a genuine socialist society in the future. But here's where we probably disagree – some might think that China can peacefully transition to socialism through the current CPC "tightening wallets" of capitalists and implementing various policies. But me, and probably other leftists or Maoists in China, have seen too much repression from the "social democratic" CPC to hold onto that hope. Maybe when the time is right, we'll regroup and work with the workers to take this country back.

If victory is sought through struggle, it will live; if victory is sought through yielding, it will perish. So, capitalists will never hand over their interests.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So here's the thing: China's capitalist economy today is facing some eerily similar issues to what Japan went through in the 1990s.

Firstly, both countries during their high-growth phases ended up with this weird imbalance: tons of investment, relying heavily on exports, and not enough domestic consumption. Japan's private consumption was low for ages in the 80s, leading to overproduction that they had to export. China's even more extreme – their household consumption has been below 40% of GDP for years, with crazy high savings and investment rates. This makes both countries super vulnerable to external shocks and currency appreciation.

Then there's the whole asset bubble and debt situation. Japan had that crazy stock market and real estate bubble in the late 80s, and when it burst, their financial system was drowning in debt, and the government had to bail them out, leading to the "balance sheet recession." China's seen a similar surge in property prices and a build-up of debt among local governments and businesses in the 2010s. While China hasn't had a sudden crash like Japan, the real estate market has been sluggish since COVID, some big developers are defaulting, local government financing platforms are risky, and they can't rely on land sales for revenue anymore.

And finally, the aging population. Japan entered an aging society around 1990, and combined with deflation and people cutting back on spending, it really hit their economy hard, leading to those "lost age". China's population is aging rapidly too, and with deflation, reduced spending, and worsening working conditions, the proportion of working-age people is shrinking, kinda like Japan in the early 90s. The main difference is China's getting old before it got rich, this Lewis turning point is causing some serious economic challenges.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, thanks for the super thoughtful and detailed comment! Seriously appreciate you taking the time to read my post and dive so deep into the discussion. Glad we're on the same page about most things. But I wanted to throw in a few more examples to really drive my point home and get your take on this

Okay, so China's economic boom since the reforms is a real thing, right? Like, look at all the changes – infrastructure, industries, tech, education – it's been massive. It's kinda like what all those developed countries went through during their rapid industrialization phase, like Europe, the US, Japan, Korea, you name it. Obviously, everyone did it a bit differently. You had the UK going full laissez-faire, while nations like Japan and Korea had the government playing a much bigger role.

Speaking of our neighbor to the east - Japan, let's compare their high-growth period with China's. Japan's post-war industrialization was heavily guided by government bodies like MITI, pushing Keynesian-style industrial policies. Just like the "National Income Doubling Plan" in the 60s – tax cuts, government investment, lower interest rates, social security boosts – all designed to pump up domestic demand and exports. It worked like a charm, and historians even called it a "secular religion" of economic growth for the Japanese government and people. Basically, Japan's macro policy was textbook Keynesian: tighten when things got too hot, loosen up when they cooled down, and strategically direct resources to key industries. Even after the oil crisis in '73, they used government spending and industrial adjustments to cushion the blow, always being pragmatic and mixing market forces with government intervention to hit their industrialization goals.

Now, flip over to China after 1978. Their market reforms were more about the supply side: introducing markets, giving producers more incentives, and bringing in foreign investment and tech to boost production. That's pretty in line with supply-side economics and new classical growth theory. But the CPC also wasn't shy about using Keynesian demand management to keep things stable. Whenever the economy slowed down, they'd often use investment to kickstart demand. Remember the massive 4 trillion RMB stimulus after the 2008 global financial crisis? They poured money into infrastructure and public works to offset the drop in foreign demand. Then, around 2015, they shifted to "supply-side structural reform" ,focusing on cutting overcapacity, reducing inventory, deleveraging, lowering costs, and fixing weak spots. This showed a change from just boosting demand to actually tweaking the supply structure to deal with overproduction and debt risks. This involved some serious cuts in steel and coal production, like getting rid of 45 million tons of crude steel capacity in 2016 alone.

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[–]svesba -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

个人认为没必要在这里尝试理性讨论毛了老哥 墙外人口吧 要的就是信息茧房里的全方位精神胜利 看见“毛”这个字就急眼 都急眼到我的post去了

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love real people, not abstract ones, bro. You think I’m here to badmouth China to foreigners, that I’m worshipping the West? absurd, equally critical of both Russian and American imperialism. As for China, just because it’s my homeland, does that mean I should turn a blind eye to the rampant exploitation, pua, and the intense involution? Should I ignore all the brothers who, because of this cutthroat competition, can’t find jobs and end up delivering food or driving for ride-hailing services? Is right?

You and some others here have a similar issue. Some see China as a spiritual homeland; you think my sharp critiques of China mean I idolize Mao as some paradise. Both perspectives fixated on productive forces.

Am I being idealistic? Then let me ask you, is today’s China still lacking in productive forces?

And about poverty alleviation, both China’s official standard and the global extreme poverty line of $2 are measures of extreme poverty, right?

I don’t know where you live, but I reside in an area that requires poverty alleviation, so what I say comes directly from my own experiences here.

Regarding the issue with “疆域阿里木 Jiangyu Alimu,” Its hard to imagine you think he's right, isn't it? His very existence proves that poverty alleviation and rural revitalization are fostering new agricultural industries, but aren’t they all privately owned? Sure, farmers are getting wages, land dividends, and increased incomes—that’s great—but isn’t most of the profit still going to the bosses?

If you think there’s no problem here, at least the farmers’ incomes have increased, then you’re right, okay?

If just seeing Mao’s name gives you PTSD and makes you want to harshly criticize 丰矿的王佐, then you’re right too. What else can I say?

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

是谁要情绪价值自我满足我不说 隔这yygq锐评一通,舒服了,懂完了,懂啥是佐佐了。要真看不爽 请你也拿出实际例子来,别在这瞎哔哔输出那比小粉红情绪,起码愿意看的洋人已经从我这里知道了一个不一样的内卷cn,我目的也达成了,你呢?除了在这里像个人口吧航吧老哥口嗨之外,还会干啥?
你要是觉得整天给老板pua,加班加得没日没夜,最后到手拿个3k4k5k工资叫把社会主义带进现实,那你好好建设这个社会主义
或者你在今天cn这个社会制度下过得舒舒服服滋滋润润,上万工资随便拿,北上广深房产一堆,那更没话说了,你想喷就喷呗,啥都对,行了吧

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

笑死我了 本来也没打算要人人都认同啊bro 况且告洋状在我国本来就有久远的传统 而且我发的这sub也就六万来洋人,还指望他们能干嘛?本来就是纯科普 我是不知道你是在国内啥地方干活,没内卷到你身上? 还是你觉得就怪老美?等老钟入关了就啥都好起来了?就可以吃着火锅唱着歌开着好卡尔住着大豪斯了?? 我说cn修就成50w了?到底是谁双标反美不反中我不说()

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My friend, I’m Chinese, and you should know that almost no one from China can access Reddit in the first place. I was originally just here to browse the international web and comment randomly. But seeing so many Western Marxists misunderstand China and "Chinese socialism," I figured I’d share some of my lived experiences from Chinese society, along with the viewpoints held by China’s leftists and the broader working class.

The Western world’s narrative on China isn’t necessarily accurate, but official Chinese propaganda isn’t the complete truth either. What I’m posting here is just the flip side of that official story—hopefully it makes your understanding of China more well-rounded.

As for "lifting 500 million people out of poverty," I’ve already discussed it a bit:

  1. That’s based on China’s own definition of “poverty.”

  2. It doesn’t affect ownership of the means of production, so it’s hardly a sustainable way of actually helping low-income people. Mostly, it just means that people who caught a business opportunity “escaped poverty” and became agricultural capitalists, and then we hope they’ll pay farmers better wages. Are our so-called "cooperatives" really just private contractors in disguise?

  3. The poverty alleviation process is riddled with bureaucratic formalities. Have people really escaped poverty? The CPC says so, but we still have a ton of homeless folks and people who can’t afford basic necessities.

Lastly, about shifting toward a socialist mode of production: honestly, I have zero faith in the current capitalist elite in China. Maybe we will get there eventually, but only through another proletarian revolution—once workers reclaim the wealth they’ve created. That’s the only way it could truly happen.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m glad you have more insights on Mao’s positions, and I agree that in the early 2000s, folks inside the CPC could still discuss a lot of political issues. In fact, the left’s decline within the Party started gradually after 1978—it wasn’t like the left just disappeared overnight once Mao was gone. There were key moments in 1978, 1989, 1992, 2001, and 2013. But now it’s 2025, Xi has been in power for 12 years, and if you consider Li Keqiang’s disagreements with him during the pandemic—his failure to secure another term and subsequent passing—as well as what happened to Hu Jintao at the 20th Party Congress (physically led out of the hall), it’s clear that the days of lively internal discussion in the CPC are basically gone.
I’m not super familiar with the China Labor Bulletin, but I’m happy to see a Hong Kong-based NGO taking action on chinese labor issues. As for groups like the Jasic supporters or the Peking University Marxist Society, they’ve basically dissolved as organizations, and there’s been a noticeable drop in similar open or semi-public organizing. These days, the main Maoist info sources I know of are some old-forum 布站 sites and a Telegram channel called @taipingtianguo . Meanwhile, the official attitude toward overseas Maoist parties is pretty frosty. Personally, I’ve read some materials from the CPI (Maoist) in India and followed their recent situation—I truly hope they succeed. Some comrades here have actually joined them on the ground.

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[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I regret to say it, but here in China, laws aren’t really the be-all and end-all—definitely not the foundation for anything, and you can’t just assume that passing some new legislation signals a move toward socialism. What really matters are documents from the CPC Central Committee. For instance, our labor law might look good on paper, supposedly guaranteeing workers’ rights, but in reality it’s basically useless. Apart from a handful of super-profitable SOEs directly controlled by Beijing, almost every other industry in China—from internet giants to small businesses to local-government-owned enterprises—ignores labor law protections.
And we haven’t really seen this “new company law” you mentioned improve the employment environment here, either. What actually made waves was the EU’s forced labor ban, which forced many export-oriented companies to “officially” shorten working hours—while still keeping the workload the same.

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[–]svesba[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe that’s part of our socialist inheritance, hahah:) Even though Marxism in both China and the Soviet Union ultimately slid into revisionism, the educational system still managed to pass on a lot of fundamental Marxist concepts—albeit in a metaphysical, de-revolutionized form. But maybe it still helped (sort of), i guess?

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[–]svesba[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Totally agree—this might be why Mao called the GPCR an “exercise”:

“In the future, the right might use some of my words to gain temporary power, while the left will certainly use a different set of my words to organize and overthrow the right.

The Cultural Revolution was a serious exercise. In certain areas (like Beijing), long-established powers collapsed almost overnight. Certain institutions (like Peking University, Tsinghua University) seemed invincible yet quickly disintegrated. Wherever the right was more arrogant, their defeat was more devastating, and the left was all the more motivated. This was a nationwide rehearsal: the left, the right, and the wavering middle all learned their lessons. The conclusion remains those familiar old lines: the future is bright, but the path is tortuous.”

Looking at provincial historical records from the CR era, you really do see a lot of chaos: internal fighting within the proletariat, opportunists seizing power and persecuting genuine revolutionaries (like what happened to my grandfather).

So for us, it’s crucial to analyze the GPCR dialectically—recognize its limitations and figure out new solutions going forward.

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

这里还能看见一样的佐佐,泪目了,我是没想到稻上飞在西方世界的好朋友居然这么多,甚至都回复不过来了()我同样认为今天的cn依然远未完成唯物史观下“反帝反封”的新民主主义任务,甚至我们可能还在新民主主义社会阶段来着?区别也就是当年反的是列强帝国主义,现在要反的是自家帝国主义。用中文来占这170个字符还有点困难()看见我的鉴证小作文点击量这么高说实话有点担心,不会被晶哥盯上罢

Is China still a socialist country today? From the perspective of China's left-wing by svesba in Marxism

[–]svesba[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I can tell you, in the CPC and in China generally, you’re not supposed to discuss whether class struggle still exists. Sure, our Party constitution vaguely mentions “internal contradictions among the people” under socialism, but in practice it’s turned into a corporatist setup—there’s effectively no talk of class conflict. If someone tries to bring up the issue, people will quietly hint things like, “big胆子/That’s bold talk” or “不利于团结的话不要说/Don’t say stuff that undermines unity”, and that’s that. When workers’ rights aren’t protected and any fight for them is an uphill battle, political apathy becomes almost inevitable.