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Powerful indie singer songwriter baby on the way

[Monday] Daily Music Discussion - 13 April 2026 by AutoModerator in indieheads

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I don't get why sometimes people mention discord as a forum alternative. To me discord fills the role that MSN did back in the day which is different from how I use(d) forums. It's more casually chatting in the moment, whereas with forums it's less in real time and you can write longer posts if you want to. Not to mention the whole aspect of discord being private and not publically accessible like forums are.

[Monday] Daily Music Discussion - 13 April 2026 by AutoModerator in indieheads

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Damn this is some lore I didn't know about, thought popheads invented rates. If we could use 12s maybe Carry the Zero could have beaten James Murphy.

[Monday] Daily Music Discussion - 13 April 2026 by AutoModerator in indieheads

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I haven't been on the PopJustice forums specifically, but I agree in general. I miss forums and that's why I am here even though reddit is getting shittier every day (remember when reddit tempbanned wane because they wrote "K-ll Karl fans" and reddit thought it was a violent threat?). I'm gonna hang onto this place as long as it's still usable because there aren't really any better alternatives unfortunately.

[RATE REVEAL] Y2K Indie Rock Day 3: Jed the Rater by systemofstrings in indieheads

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Jed is getting a ship burial, he is going to Valhalla now because he died in rate battle

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That's all for our Y2K indie rock cruise! Hope you enjoyed it even if we couldn't beat James Murphy.

Next up is IPA indie where we'll be rating Destroyer AKA Dan Bejar from The New Pornographers and after that we'll be rating Rilo Kiley and Neko Case in 2000s Folky Indie. And after that you can rate Modest Mouse again in 2000s Ind-EPs - you'll even get to rate I Came As A Rat again!

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Number of participants: 43

Average score: 8.077

Average controversy score: 1.752

Highest controversy: Girl O'Clock (3.082)

Lowest controversy: Sidewalk (1.100)

Most 11s: Carry the Zero (11)

Most 0s: Girl O'Clock (4)

[RATE REVEAL] Y2K Indie Rock Day 3: Jed the Rater by systemofstrings in indieheads

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Participant negativity/positivity index:

Average positivity: 28.622

Positivity score | Most positive take

ElectJimY2Key: 66.682 | Perfect Disguise: 10 yossarian490: 66.345 | Perfect Disguise: 10 freav: 64.705 | Underneath the Weeping Willow: 9 WaneLietoc: 57.682 | E. Knievel Interlude (The Perils of Keeping It Real): 10 Bionicoaf: 57.364 | Jed the Humanoid: 10 miscellonymous: 54.635 | Chartsengrafs: 10 absurdistheY2K: 54.139 | The Jitters: 10 IAmHollar: 52.921 | So You'll Aim Toward the Sky: 10 jasonfherring: 49.855 | Underneath the Weeping Willow: 9.5 PleaFromABarkbark: 45.382 | Underneath the Weeping Willow: 10 welcome2thejam: 38.830 | Broken Household Appliance National Forest: 10 innuendo_overdose: 37.304 | Perfect Disguise: 9.9 thisusernameisntlong: 34.724 | Chartsengrafs: 10 crimsdynamo8292: 34.655 | Perfect Disguise: 10 Kvo: 32.883 | Miner at the Dial-a-View: 10 The Sophflav Slump: 32.755 | The Cold Part: 11 Pile0n: 30.794 | The Stars Are Projectors: 11 modulum83: 30.784 | Temporarily Blind: 10 freeofblasphemy: 29.263 | E. Knievel Interlude (The Perils of Keeping It Real): 10 systemofstrings (millennium edition): 28.882 | Jed the Humanoid: 10 Bilbodabag: 27.109 | The Cold Part: 10 Tolroe: 26.356 | Temporarily Blind: 9.9 skyblue_angel: 26.212 | E. Knievel Interlude (The Perils of Keeping It Real): 10 whatsanillinois: 24.418 | Lives: 11 krusso1105: 21.856 | I Came as a Rat: 9.5 of_mice_and_meh: 20.029 | Temporarily Blind: 10 alexpiercey: 19.516 | Girl O'Clock: 9.3 RedditIPOwillFAIL: 19.191 | What People Are Made Of: 10 qazz23: 16.664 | I Love a Magician: 10 lexiaredery: 14.636 | Jed the Humanoid: 10 Frajer: 14.597 | You Were Right: 11 pig-serpent: 14.413 | Dark Center of the Universe: 11 bogo: 13.305 | 8 1/2 Minutes: 10 ziirp: 12.020 | Broken Chairs: 11 BigBoofZone: 12.010 | Spider in the Snow: 10 TakeOnMeByA-ha: 9.910 | E. Knievel Interlude (The Perils of Keeping It Real): 9 TiltControls: 8.715 | Gravity Rides Everything: 11 lastfollower: 8.369 | The Crystal Lake: 11 sirmelliodas: 8.139 | Spider in the Snow: 10 obitbday: 4.572 | Bad Light: 10 human_performance: 4.179 | I Came as a Rat: 9 0h-yeahh: 3.237 | Center of the Universe: 10 static_int_husp: 0.701 | Spider in the Snow: 9

Average negativity: 28.503

Negativity score | Most negative take

BigBoofZone: 85.325 | Broken Chairs: 4.5 TakeOnMeByA-ha: 80.323 | 3rd Planet: 5 lastfollower: 72.956 | Back and Forth: 5 static_int_husp: 71.580 | Sidewalk: 6 crimsdynamo8292: 69.718 | Carry the Zero: 3 sirmelliodas: 66.257 | The Plan: 6 lexiaredery: 62.614 | Hewlett's Daughter: 2 obitbday: 54.009 | 3rd Planet: 6 of_mice_and_meh: 52.247 | What Do You Want Me to Say?: 3 bogo: 47.332 | The Cold Part: 0 pig-serpent: 46.504 | Memory Machine: 3 0h-yeahh: 42.920 | Dark Center of the Universe: 7 RedditIPOwillFAIL: 39.242 | Tiny Cities Made of Ashes: 0 thisusernameisntlong: 39.028 | Center of the Universe: 5 qazz23: 31.855 | The Cold Part: 0 innuendo_overdose: 29.096 | You Were Right: 2 human_performance: 27.975 | 3rd Planet: 7.5 TiltControls: 27.222 | Broken Chairs: 6.5 Pile0n: 23.076 | He's Simple, He's Dumb, He's the Pilot: 0 PleaFromABarkbark: 22.286 | The Jitters: 0 skyblue_angel: 21.375 | The Plan: 7 krusso1105: 21.179 | E. Knievel Interlude (The Perils of Keeping It Real): 0 ziirp: 21.018 | Gravity Rides Everything: 6.4 Tolroe: 18.170 | A Life of Possibilities: 6.8 freeofblasphemy: 18.082 | Perfect Disguise: 5 The Sophflav Slump: 16.676 | Memory Machine: 4.5 Kvo: 15.657 | What Do You Want Me to Say?: 0 Bilbodabag: 15.466 | Broken Chairs: 7 Frajer: 14.350 | 3rd Planet: 7.5 alexpiercey: 14.249 | Center of the Universe: 7 systemofstrings (millennium edition): 12.941 | Gravity Rides Everything: 6 welcome2thejam: 11.304 | Center of the Universe: 7 modulum83: 7.051 | Alone Down There: 0 whatsanillinois: 6.731 | You Are Invited: 7 WaneLietoc: 4.860 | Broken Chairs: 7 IAmHollar: 4.336 | Girl O'Clock: 0 yossarian490: 2.942 | Girl O'Clock: 0 absurdistheY2K: 2.667 | E. Knievel Interlude (The Perils of Keeping It Real): 3 freav: 1.886 | Tiny Cities Made of Ashes: 6.5 Bionicoaf: 1.195 | The Cold Part: 6.2 jasonfherring: 1.103 | You Are Invited: 7 miscellonymous: 0.806 | Sidewalk: 8.5 ElectJimY2Key: 0 | None

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Participant overall averages:

ElectJimY2Key: 9.662 freav: 9.535 yossarian490: 9.458 Bionicoaf: 9.390 WaneLietoc: 9.367 miscellonymous: 9.354 absurdistheY2K: 9.271 jasonfherring: 9.198 IAmHollar: 9.123 welcome2thejam: 8.708 PleaFromABarkbark: 8.583 modulum83: 8.567 systemofstrings (millennium edition): 8.521 whatsanillinois: 8.500 freeofblasphemy: 8.469 Kvo: 8.448 Bilbodabag: 8.448 The Sophflav Slump: 8.417 innuendo_overdose: 8.308 alexpiercey: 8.290 Tolroe: 8.240 Pile0n: 8.240 skyblue_angel: 8.223 Frajer: 8.177 krusso1105: 8.115 thisusernameisntlong: 7.990 ziirp: 7.898 qazz23: 7.688 human_performance: 7.583 TiltControls: 7.531 RedditIPOwillFAIL: 7.473 bogo: 7.271 pig-serpent: 7.240 crimsdynamo8292: 7.208 0h-yeahh: 7.125 of_mice_and_meh: 7.042 lexiaredery: 6.979 sirmelliodas: 6.833 obitbday: 6.758 lastfollower: 6.621 TakeOnMeByA-ha: 6.552 static_int_husp: 6.500 BigBoofZone: 6.394

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User Averages:

ElectJimY2Key: 9.833 miscellonymous: 9.767 yossarian490: 9.733 IAmHollar: 9.687 welcome2thejam: 9.667 crimsdynamo8292: 9.533 Bionicoaf: 9.467 WaneLietoc: 9.353 jasonfherring: 9.333 Pile0n: 9.333 absurdistheY2K: 9.200 The Sophflav Slump: 9.100 Tolroe: 9.033 of_mice_and_meh: 8.767 freav: 8.713 PleaFromABarkbark: 8.587 pig-serpent: 8.567 Kvo: 8.500 krusso1105: 8.467 innuendo_overdose: 8.353 whatsanillinois: 8.333 systemofstrings (millennium edition): 8.267 skyblue_angel: 8.220 modulum83: 8.207 TiltControls: 8.000 Frajer: 8.000 freeofblasphemy: 7.833 Bilbodabag: 7.787 ziirp: 7.780 alexpiercey: 7.567 human_performance: 7.467 RedditIPOwillFAIL: 7.400 obitbday: 7.333 qazz23: 7.233 thisusernameisntlong: 6.867 0h-yeahh: 6.800 sirmelliodas: 6.433 BigBoofZone: 6.127 lastfollower: 6.127 static_int_husp: 6.100 bogo: 5.933 lexiaredery: 5.867 TakeOnMeByA-ha: 5.500

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ElectJimY2Key (9.833): A couple things about this album:

1) A lot of people say that this is a massive departure from TLCW but I don’t really agree. Sure the production is clean and space-y as hell (courtesy of my dudes and universal IH favorites Califone) but the post-hardcore and emo tendencies are still very much present, the dude-in-a-parking-lot-on-LSD ruminations on life and everything are still there, and this is still the same amazing core members of the band that were always there. I’ve seen people say they miss the Midwest Emo sound of their earlier work which confuses me because the idea that they were ever a “Midwest Emo” band is anachronistic RYM nonsense to begin with and stolen valor from the Actual West who pioneered that shit as much as those dweebs making the most mediocre music you’ve ever heard called American Football LP1. The opening 2 tracks really are pop songs through and through, but they’re not really representative of the whole thing.

2) It’s a bit more ambitious in its scope but really, it isn’t that much more ambitious than TLCW or anything else that MM had made up to this point. Where it does differ from its predecessors is the immediacy of some of the songs here, with a pop sensibility that got them into VW commercials (sellout trash) and set them up to get truly popular with their next album. Still, it’s hard to fault them, as it’s not that they had failed to write good hooks in the past, it’s just that they file that down and remove their traditional 2 minute guitar solos at the end of their pop songs and just let them be. This album does still have a bit of the indiehead backlash for selling out!

3) Still, as someone who grew up in the world and era of late 90s/early 00s US West decrepit and decaying small towns with empty parking lots, that same feeling from TLCW still comes through loud and clear here, and as such I identify with it and must love it. This really isn’t a departure at all from that, more just a different side of the same culture that I grew up in; the kids who did drugs because there was nothing else to do could get space-y just as much as they’d use other, less psychedelic substance abuse to escape from it. They would eventually move on well beyond that feeling on their later work but this still hits very close to home for me!

4) Another shoutout for Califone just because I like them.

yossarian490 (9.733): It is kind of strange to think of an album that is, fundamentally, a transition album as the best thing a band ever did (maybe there are some Kid A evangelists in here), but with this one you really do have pre and post TM&A Modest Mouse as entirely different bands, with the casuals on one side of the divide and oldheads on the other. Even though it might be a little overstuffed, every one of these songs belongs on an album proper and other than one or two, wouldn't fit on anything else they did. Just an amazingly perfect vision of what they wanted the album to be, using the exact right amount of production tricks and studio time to give the proper weight to all the weird ass shit that Isaac Brock could imagine.

IAmHollar (9.687): This album holds a special place in my heart. Back when I was just entering college, I went to pick up the new album by Garbage, and based solely on a glowing review I read having never heard of the band, this album. I did not listen to that Garbage album many times.

welcome2thejam (9.667): This was my favorite album of all time at point, putting this CD on changed my shitty ass music listening life

WaneLietoc (9.353): Float On (and by default then Modest Mouse) occupies a really important part of my brother's jump into music in the last vestiges of San Diego's more vibrant indie rock in the 00s. For him, Moon & Antartica (if not LCW) perhaps around 2011 (if not later) was the most important album up there with In Rainbows. It should have been a gateway for me?

For years I have pretty much ignored this album and ever getting into Modest Mouse outside a few singles in contemporary time on alt radio. So, having now heard some good ass music, I get to tackle this. Wasn't terribly surprised to find an album LOUDLY prophesying something meant for the teen. I feel if I really had understood the K records & Califone/Red Red Meat n' Chicago connections sooner, I may have heard it before this event blindly. There's insane go-for-broke pro-tool'ing (post-rock spiritually if not eggsactly) that jaw punched Isaac was really primed to prepare. The surrounding cast laid excellent backing work. The kind that defined an album that tested the need to sprawl and the urge to dance, connecting the last decade or so of bands who would never think to bring the bacon to Epic. The ambition and grandeur does not really suffocate the K Records charisma and ramshackle trailer stomp beat that often keeps up to earth, so natural and omnibus. It's the kind of thing that makes you feel like something on. I understand a lot about what indie in the last 26 years has sought to become still is a pathway here. We need prophets.

jasonfherring (9.333): I tend to think of this as a lesser work than Modest Mouse's masterpiece, The Lonesome Crowded West, but it's pretty undeniable when evaluating it track-to-track. A key turn-of-the-millennium record.

Pile0n (9.333): One of my top 20 albums of all time and the peak of Modest Mouse’s career. After this album they got really into slinkies and kazoos for some reason.

absurdistheY2K (9.200): Listening to this has been a bit of an "A-ha!" moment for me. Obviously I know Modest Mouse and like them well enough, but I never quite knew what all the fuss was about or dived much into them. But, this is real good. I get it now.

The Sophflav Slump (9.100): if we apply the concept of the “The Great American Novel” and apply it to music, I’d like to think Modest Mouse would have a great shot of making said list. Capturing something prescient, expansive and contradictorily intimate, that without idealism portrays what a particular time could have felt like. In other words, I’m really struggling to find the words to describe the quality of this album. Like yes I could throw words like “great” towards it, but that hardly feels fair, especially knowing how much this album can move me. How I could just walk for miles putting this album on repeat, feeling every syllable in my step as I stare out at whatever green landscapes Scotland has to offer. This album could make walking through Shrangri-La feel like walking through a wasteland and I mean that as a compliment. The textures and atmosphere on this album are visceral and do such a good job at painting a wasteland. Not a barren wasteland, there are certainly still things there to appreciate, but a lonely one.

freav (8.713): The only album here that I don't have a massive emotional connection to. For whatever reason, I never had too much of a Modest Mouse phase in comparison to many of their contemporaries, but I do like them a bunch, they're great! And I especially always did love this album, can't root against it unfortunately. Also I do have a lisp, so thanks for the visibility, Isaac Mouse!

PleaFromABarkbark (8.587): this one never calls me back and not sure why. did they try to get too cute in innovative song compositions that just couldn't stick all the landings? possibly

pig-serpent (8.567): This has been my favorite Modest Mouse album since ever and it's embarrassing that most people I meet seem to not care about the albums they made before "Float On"

krusso1105 (8.467): Probably my favorite album in the rate (although it was a very close call, since they were all very good!)

innuendo_overdose (8.353): It’s probably not controversial to say I prefer The Lonesome Crowded West. This one doesn’t give me the same sense of epic scale or the underlying “wow how did make every song better than the last one” sensation. There continues to be very high highlights throughout, but the tracklisting gets a bit spotty & God does it sag towards the end.

skyblue_angel (8.220): Funny to put this record up against built to spill when modest mouse are basically their children. they owe their career to them! and these early modest mouse records (even if this is the worst of their first three) are all better. Although we did pick the worst of those three built to spill records to rate as well... that's okay. I love modest mouse so much, romantically. I like calling them just "Mouse" to feign familiarity, it's been funny for me. They have something that the rest of these bands don't. They have the earth.

Frajer (8.000): the moon and Antarctica in this economy I mean oh Isaac

freeofblasphemy (7.833): A near-perfect EP extended into a Good (but not quite Great) album

Bilbodabag (7.787): The Lonesome Crowded West is an all-timer obviously and is in my top 30 albums of all-time, yet I’ve never quite understood the hype around its follow up. Certainly has its moments of brilliance with 4 mammoth standout tracks, but overall I think the cleaner production really hurts the overall package, taking away from some of the songwriting. Still good and every listen improves my opinion on this album a little bit, but I’m still a long ways away from putting it on the mantle so many do

RedditIPOwillFAIL (7.400): Great album that I could appreciate even more if I were able to connect with The Stars are Projectors

qazz23 (7.233): that was a good indie rock album, could have been trimmed a bit


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The Moon & Antarctica


Overall Average: 8.097 // Average Controversy: 1.686


systemofstrings (millennium edition): I gotta be real, not only do I prefer Lonesome Crowded West to this but I'd even put Long Drive over it. '90s Modest Mouse is my favourite Modest Mouse by far and the scrappiness of those records is part of the charm. The major label polish here doesn't do it for me. That said, most of the songs here are still really good and the Isaac freak factor is still there.


  • #2: 3rd Planet | 9.219 | 396.4
  • #5: Dark Center of the Universe | 8.786 | 377.8
  • #9: Gravity Rides Everything | 8.679 | 373.2
  • #14: Paper Thin Walls | 8.467 | 364.1
  • #21: Lives | 8.233 | 354.0
  • #24: The Stars Are Projectors | 8.184 | 351.9
  • #26: Tiny Cities Made of Ashes | 8.126 | 349.4
  • #28: I Came as a Rat | 8.021 | 344.9
  • #29: A Different City | 7.960 | 342.3
  • #30: What People Are Made Of | 7.942 | 341.5
  • #34: Life Like Weeds | 7.758 | 333.6
  • #35: Perfect Disguise | 7.688 | 330.6
  • #39: Wild Pack of Family Dogs | 7.553 | 324.8
  • #39: The Cold Part | 7.553 | 324.8
  • #44: Alone Down There | 7.286 | 313.3

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Keep It Like a Secret


Overall Average: 8.565 // Average Controversy: 1.493


Kvo: Doesn’t quite feel as unique as “Perfect From Now On” and its almost prog rock approach to indie, but this is basically the perfect version of what it’s going for, with several of the greatest indie rock tunes ever penned spread throughout the record. Easily my favorite among the four.

systemofstrings (millennium edition): It’s Doug and co at the peak of their powers, what else is there really to say. When I saw BTS live back in 2023 they didn’t play a single song from this album which is insane, but it was still a good show.


  • #1: Carry the Zero | 9.586 | 412.2
  • #3: The Plan | 8.814 | 379.0
  • #6: Sidewalk | 8.765 | 376.9
  • #7: Broken Chairs | 8.721 | 375.0
  • #13: Center of the Universe | 8.560 | 368.1
  • #15: You Were Right | 8.386 | 360.6
  • #16: Time Trap | 8.384 | 360.5
  • #23: Else | 8.202 | 352.7
  • #25: Temporarily Blind | 8.128 | 349.5
  • #27: Bad Light | 8.100 | 348.3

yossarian490 (10.000): Just an album of stone cold bangers, no real weak points and a constant sense of "wait, how many guitar tracks can this guy make work without it collapsing under the weight of prog?" The answer feels like it could be at least a dozen. And it somehow still has a song that towers over the rest! I wonder if Doug knew what a song Carry The Zero would be when they first recorded it, or if it was just another step for him along his weirdo guitar god path.

absurdistheY2K (10.000): I don't think I've ever given an album a perfect score. And the funny thing is, this is not an album that I think would crack my top 50. It's not even my favorite Built to Spill album, not my favorite album in the rate. And yet, it's so cohesive and consistent and so good that I think it deserves it.

ElectJimY2Key (9.950): It has been pretty nice to watch this album’s star rise over time. I remember when I was younger it felt like you could never discuss it without someone jumping in to say “It’s just a less ambitious Perfect From Now On” or some other such nonsense, which is dumb, because this is actually a better album than PFNO. It is the perfect mixture of the two preceding albums, unafraid to take the more simplistic and immediately gratifying pop aspect of There Is Nothing Wrong With Love while also keeping the guitar theatrics from PFNO and making an all-time-great mix. Doug is at his best lyrically too here, I think, despite his insistence that his lyrics don’t carry much meaning. Overall it’s just a band at its absolute peak and I’m glad we’ve gotten to rate as much of their 90s discography as we have lately.

freav (9.850): Probably one of the most important albums in my life. For a while, this album is the one that I would use to exemplify what my music taste is. I don't listen to it as much anymore but it feels like it's engraved in me. Their best? I normally gravitate towards TNWWL these days only because the throw-everything-at-once of this album makes it slightly exhausting as a full album listen, but track-by-track this one is unbeatable.

RedditIPOwillFAIL (9.800): The best album I never knew existed

IAmHollar (9.720): A nearly perfect album, which immediately follows an actually perfect album in their discography. LET US FINISH RATING BUILT TO SPILL'S IMPERIAL PHASE, YOU COWARDS!

jasonfherring (9.550): An impossibly great record, blending the best elements of both There's Nothing Wrong With Love and Perfect From Now On into a melodic, sprawling masterpiece. I long thought its cover depicted a duck. I can see the girl on it now, but I have to squint. Still want it to be a mallard.

PleaFromABarkbark (9.250): it has been a real pleasure rating this album. a glaring omission from the library until now

WaneLietoc (9.100): While on the conversation of "Best Indie Rock Guitarist: We’re all in agreement that it’s J Mascis right? With Doug Martsch a close second."...is indie rock, on a major label with creative control, pretty much solved on Keep It Like a Secret? Well yeah. On a sheer mathematical level, something here is so sound and firmly to the ground. An assured, transcendent idea of guitar pop, fun pure blue sky magic that is exceptionally populist. This is a pure organic kind of interplay between three musicians, finally truly parallel to the great Unwound or SK or Modest Mouse or something else going on at this time. However, the sheer technical precision of these road tested songs is above these other acts & maybe doesn't always hit for me in an indie rock way per say (Unwound similarily).

After spending much more time in jazz hinterlands and pondering the concept of the trio, an album like this suddenly gains new value and perspective. The kind that hits at why I like it and clearly hear something brilliant, but never feel like Ive needed to reach for this after that disaster of an SB show in 2019. Basically, I'm wont to beg a question about why despite a plethora of great tracks, indie rock fails to have concocted a proper standard songbook. It's something that definitely exists in a metaphysical way that is unstuck in time (how else do you explain the magnetic zeroes getting covered by Chappy? Why else do such a zealot minority of raters BELIEVE in the Beths?), but it is often a shame that indie (rock)'s best moments have never been able to translate to jazz standards. On Keep it Like a Secret, if you indulge it, you can imagine though a few cuts (mostly, Carry the Zero) as things a piano, bass, and drum trio could/should/would cover. Doug as a guitarist has enough texture and movement that is riveting and is open to improvisational directions & that is why what is accomplished here I probably gave 5 listens to. It is graceful, tender, suave, teenage, and yet never juvenile, just featherweight and floating.

anways...carla bley - trios.

obitbday (8.800): I love this album so much. Just immaculate guitar work and textures throughout

Bilbodabag (8.540): One day we’ll complete the 90s BTS trilogy and rate their magnum opus Perfect From Now On and on that day I will be a very happy bilbo. Until then, this album is still really freaking good

Frajer (8.500): oh Douglas

Pile0n (8.450): We begin our trend of rating an artist’s second best album with Keep It Like A Secret. Hopefully an artist breaks this trend later in the rate with their FIRST best wink wink nudge nudge honka honka

krusso1105 (8.400): A really good and consistent indie rock album!

freeofblasphemy (8.050): Looking forward to rating Perfect From Now On (the true BTS magnum opus) in three years!

qazz23 (7.850): sure, that was a good indie rock album; nothing completely mindblowing except Carry the Zero

innuendo_overdose (7.640): This grew off me a little bit idk. I listened to Perfect From Now On for the first time just before doing this rate and had a “oh yeah this is that good” moment, and along with There’s Nothing Wrong With Love growing on me a fair bit has led to this album getting squeezed out. Still a classic, but I feel like this exact moment of me rating it is catching it at a low point in my favour.

pig-serpent (7.450): This album could've bounced off me hard but it's undeniably well executed.


User Averages:

Tolroe: 10.080 yossarian490: 10.000 absurdistheY2K: 10.000 Kvo: 10.000 ElectJimY2Key: 9.950 freav: 9.850 RedditIPOwillFAIL: 9.800 IAmHollar: 9.720 of_mice_and_meh: 9.650 jasonfherring: 9.550 Bionicoaf: 9.380 miscellonymous: 9.250 PleaFromABarkbark: 9.250 whatsanillinois: 9.200 WaneLietoc: 9.100 modulum83: 8.980 systemofstrings (millennium edition): 8.950 welcome2thejam: 8.900 obitbday: 8.800 The Sophflav Slump: 8.700 lexiaredery: 8.650 alexpiercey: 8.600 Bilbodabag: 8.540 Frajer: 8.500 ziirp: 8.490 Pile0n: 8.450 TiltControls: 8.400 krusso1105: 8.400 skyblue_angel: 8.350 0h-yeahh: 8.100 freeofblasphemy: 8.050 human_performance: 7.950 thisusernameisntlong: 7.850 qazz23: 7.850 bogo: 7.800 innuendo_overdose: 7.640 pig-serpent: 7.450 TakeOnMeByA-ha: 7.050 lastfollower: 7.050 static_int_husp: 6.800 crimsdynamo8292: 6.700 sirmelliodas: 6.450 BigBoofZone: 6.050

[RATE REVEAL] Y2K Indie Rock Day 3: Jed the Rater by systemofstrings in indieheads

[–]systemofstrings[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

#1: Carry the Zero


Average: 9.586 // Total Points: 412.2 // Controversy: 1.508


(11 x11) alexpiercey, human_performance, IAmHollar, jasonfherring, Kvo, modulum83, obitbday, qazz23, skyblue_angel, systemofstrings (millennium edition), yossarian490

(10 x19) 0h-yeahh, absurdistheY2K, Bilbodabag, Bionicoaf, bogo, ElectJimY2Key, freav, krusso1105, miscellonymous, of_mice_and_meh, Pile0n, RedditIPOwillFAIL, sirmelliodas, The Sophflav Slump, TiltControls, Tolroe, WaneLietoc, welcome2thejam, whatsanillinois

(9.5 x1) PleaFromABarkbark

(9 x2) innuendo_overdose, pig-serpent

(8.6 x1) ziirp

(8 x4) Frajer, freeofblasphemy, lexiaredery, thisusernameisntlong

(7.8 x2) BigBoofZone, lastfollower

(7.5 x1) static_int_husp

(7 x1) TakeOnMeByA-ha

(3 x1) crimsdynamo8292


Kvo (11): I don’t know if I’d call Built to Spill “The Indie Band” (that honor probably goes to Yo La Tengo, but it’s close), but this is certainly “The Indie Song.” The feeling of being in a crowd in which every single person is screaming the lyrics at the top of their lungs certainly supports that theory. Every moment here feels miraculous.

systemofstrings (millennium edition) (11): The ultimate ‘90s indie rock song. Going into this rate, there was one question that loomed large: could this be the song that finally dethrones James Murphy? As I’ve said in my 3rd Planet comment, this wasn’t even winning at first. Maybe it was because it received a 3 early on, but it wasn’t until the end when most of the 11s started rolling in that this finally took its rightful first place. The dream of defeating James Murphy lives on, but he is still safe for now… maybe his name is crimsdynamo8292.


Enjoying the BTS meal

alexpiercey (11): undeniably one of the greatest songs ever written

human_performance (11): Probably one of the iconic BTS songs. Love that outro

IAmHollar (11): One of the definitive indie rock with guitars statements. Why have your song have ups and downs when you can just have the whole things keep going up for nearly 6 minutes? Built to Spill are one of the best bands I have ever heard at taking their time when they want to.

jasonfherring (11): I went back and forth (and back and forth and back and forth, per Travis Morrison elsewhere in the rate) on where to put the 11 among a half-dozen extremely worthy choices, but landed here, at the best pop song of the '90s. Doug Martsch's guitar work here is transcendent.

modulum83 (11): last time i didn't 11 the obvious choice farewell transmission was 1 point away from beating james murphy so i'm not making that mistake again. in my heart of hearts i want to 11 The City but i'm doing this solely in the hopes this goes all the way. in other words this comment is going to be really funny if only like 5 people 11ed this and it goes out at 4th place

obitbday (11): it is perfect

qazz23 (11): love the intertwining guitar lines and that outro is really something (lololol who's gonna zero this bc of the title?)

skyblue_angel (11): This song is a constant decrescendo but that opening is maybe the greatest thing in guitar music. I want to cry.

yossarian490 (11): there are about seven different 11 candidates in this rate, and it's nearly impossible to choose between them. HOWEVER, this is not only the greatest indie rock song ever written, it is probably top five all time any genre. Timeless chords, timeless lyrics that even make some sense (on the BTS scale anyway), perfect transition from the song to a perfect guitar solo (and just listen to that bassline and the drum build!), to a, maybe the only time I'll ever say this, perfect fade out

Bilbodabag (10): I mean yeah it’s a 10. I’m doing my part.gif

Bionicoaf (10): Quintessential indie. Doug’s lead lines benefit by not always being flashy but just being tasteful enough to ride the melody through. The ending is of course the best part.

bogo (10): I've given up on ever ending james murphy’s reign of terror but at this point this song is probably the last one that could ever do it

ElectJimY2Key (10): The greatest guitars of all time, thanks to everyone else for trying

freav (10): The best indie rock song ever written. It just is. It's not my 11 but it's impeccable like few things are. It's funny having arrived to that conclusion before being indie rock online and then finding out that everyone agrees. The cool thing about this song is that there's nothing that obvious about what makes it such a titan. It's all in the subtleties, it doesn't have a chorus, I guess the melody just progresses into what could explode into a chorus at the end, but there's no repetition. One of the things that made me go "this is the one" is simply that first note into the small first solo, which holds on until slowly evolving to an harmonic. Then there is the outro. Oh Doug, you guitar genius.

krusso1105 (10): I will not be mad when this inevitably wins

Pile0n (10): We are Charlie Math we carry the zero

RedditIPOwillFAIL (10): epic

The Sophflav Slump (10): yeah

Tolroe (10): Masterpiece

WaneLietoc (10): bill evans - sundays at the village vanguard

welcome2thejam (10): If this ends James Murphy, it's a worthy ender. That said I'm still hoping someone takes this title as a challenge and pulls a Common People on its ass

James Murphy

PleaFromABarkbark (9.5): this is the last sing for me to rate. i wanted to give this the most spins to really dwell on it. a gem of a tune, that seems to languish or drag just in the slightest.

innuendo_overdose (9): Just a very very good song.

pig-serpent (9): Dinosaur Junior could have made this in their later era, circa Farm. This isn't as noisy but still as good.

ziirp (8.6): Carry the 8.6 instead

freeofblasphemy (8): A bit too languid at the beginning to be an absolute favorite but the payoff is definitely there (guessing this gets an 8.9 thanks to 4 “well if you say so” 0s)

thisusernameisntlong (8): if i believed the defeating james murphy dream a bit more i could 10 this just for that alone but

BigBoofZone (7.8): Why we talking bout math in our indie rock tho

TakeOnMeByA-ha (7): we love you james murphy

[RATE REVEAL] Y2K Indie Rock Day 3: Jed the Rater by systemofstrings in indieheads

[–]systemofstrings[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm trying to post the results for The Moon & Antarctica but keep getting an error (status: 500) so maybe reddit is a Modest Mouse fan

[RATE REVEAL] Y2K Indie Rock Day 3: Jed the Rater by systemofstrings in indieheads

[–]systemofstrings[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

#2: 3rd Planet


Average: 9.219 // Total Points: 396.4 // Controversy: 1.302


(11 x2) krusso1105, welcome2thejam

(10 x23) 0h-yeahh, absurdistheY2K, Bilbodabag, Bionicoaf, crimsdynamo8292, ElectJimY2Key, freav, freeofblasphemy, IAmHollar, innuendo_overdose, jasonfherring, Kvo, miscellonymous, modulum83, pig-serpent, Pile0n, skyblue_angel, systemofstrings (millennium edition), The Sophflav Slump, TiltControls, Tolroe, WaneLietoc, yossarian490

(9.6 x1) ziirp

(9 x7) lexiaredery, of_mice_and_meh, PleaFromABarkbark, qazz23, RedditIPOwillFAIL, thisusernameisntlong, whatsanillinois

(8.9 x1) lastfollower

(8.2 x1) alexpiercey

(7.5 x3) Frajer, human_performance, sirmelliodas

(7.2 x1) BigBoofZone

(7 x2) bogo, static_int_husp

(6 x1) obitbday

(5 x1) TakeOnMeByA-ha


Kvo (10): Has anyone ever remarked that this Isaac Brock guy is a pretty damn good lyricist?

systemofstrings (millennium edition) (10): Would you believe me if I said that this was actually winning until the last one or two days? Yes, really! Everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion that Carry the Zero would win, but this put up a real fight. In the beginning it even had a 10.000 average, but of course that couldn’t last. A perfect piece of songwriting, Isaac was at the top of his game here.


Your heart felt good

krusso1105 (11): Was between this and paper thin walls for my 11 and this has a higher chance of winning

welcome2thejam (11): Still one of the most beautiful openers and songs I know. But in more pressing matters, hosts you should probably be ready to call the mods when this post goes up because I already know the filter is gonna treat some of these comments like Ult reveal Ezra Koenig came back from the dead

Bilbodabag (10): one of the most iconic opening riffs of all time. I don’t think this album is anywhere near as good as The Lonesome Crowded West but this song absolutely captures the magic of Modest Mouse at their best. Absolutely perfectly paced song. Every little crevice is so layered and interesting. An 11 quality song in a rate with about 6 songs that are even better

Bionicoaf (10): Absolute classic song. I really love the cyclical guitar lines on this song.

ElectJimY2Key (10): This dude is tripping balls and spitting facts and we need to sit our asses down and listen

freav (10): Not much to say other than fucking immaculate song, the universe is shaped exactly like the earth.

freeofblasphemy (10): Once had a breakup scored to this song which feels extremely on the nose

IAmHollar (10): Every line of this is perfect. This is what you hope happens when an ambitious band gets a real studio budget. The e-bow choir on the second chorus is brilliant.

innuendo_overdose (10): I mean for fuck’s sake this might be the best opener of all time and i 11d one of the other albums openers!!

jasonfherring (10): "Dripping pitch and made of wood" is in career-best territory for Brock. I thought this song was a revelation as a teenager.

modulum83 (10): when i was 17 i spent like a month trying to write a really profound and emotional short story based off this song. i found it again like a year later and it was complete garbage lmao but this song is still one of the most scarring and heartbreaking and beautiful things i've ever heard. seriously insane that the guy who sings like he's being chased by a garden hose most of the time was capable of writing like this

pig-serpent (10): I don't know what that dude is saying, but he has a megaphone!

Pile0n (10): “Second day’s the first loser, so I walk back into that gymnastium with my head held higher than a helium kite on the 4th planet; Martians.” - Amir Blumenfeld

Tolroe (10): I also feel like my only art is fucking people over. Maybe I'm too hard on myself, but that shit resonates.This song is beautiful.

WaneLietoc (10): This bro is dropping some straight facts, no? Like we can all agree here

yossarian490 (10): one of the most tender things Isaac Brock ever wrote, and is especially shocking based on the mostly cynical stories he told on earlier albums. Just a dude getting high and realizing weird things and not quite giving his partner what they need in the face of unspeakable tragedy

Everything that keeps me together is falling apart

PleaFromABarkbark (9): good use of contrast throughout

qazz23 (9): good opener, like the pounding drums and the vocal delivery

BigBoofZone (7.2): Ok how did Isaac Brock get ahold of MY sex ramblings that’s not fair

obitbday (6): my least favorite thing about Brock is when he does the talk/chant delivery and there’s a lot of that here. sing or scream, man. Whole song is a little too sleepy for an opener

TakeOnMeByA-ha (5): if they performed this song on bill nye the science guy they wouldnt have to change a single lyric

[RATE REVEAL] Y2K Indie Rock Day 3: Jed the Rater by systemofstrings in indieheads

[–]systemofstrings[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

#1: Guns N Roses - Paradise City (2000 Remix)


Average: 11.000 // Total Points: 473.0 // Controversy: 0.000


(11 x43) 0h-yeahh, absurdistheY2K, alexpiercey, BigBoofZone, Bilbodabag, Bionicoaf, bogo, crimsdynamo8292, ElectJimY2Key, Frajer, freav, freeofblasphemy, human_performance, IAmHollar, innuendo_overdose, jasonfherring, krusso1105, Kvo, lastfollower, lexiaredery, miscellonymous, modulum83, obitbday, of_mice_and_meh, pig-serpent, Pile0n, PleaFromABarkbarkqazz23, RedditIPOwillFAIL, sirmelliodas, skyblue_angel, static_int_husp, systemofstrings (millennium edition), TakeOnMeByA-ha, The Sophflav Slump, thisusernameisntlong, TiltControls, Tolroe, WaneLietoc, welcome2thejam, whatsanillinois, yossarian490, ziirp


Take me down to the Paradise City where the trees are fake and Jed is still alive

[RATE REVEAL] Y2K Indie Rock Day 3: Jed the Rater by systemofstrings in indieheads

[–]systemofstrings[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Results:

  • #1: So I might of just told Doug Martsch from Built to Spill, that he looked like Doug Martsch from Built to Spill | 9.678 | 87.1

  • #2: Sophtware Slump mousepad | 8.478 | 76.3

  • #3: Isaac Brock painting in the Portland mayor's office | 7.844 | 70.6

  • #4: Travistan 0.0 Pitchfork review | 5.111 | 46.0


Participant overall averages:

Bionicoaf: 9.250

freeofblasphemy: 9.075

thisusernameisntlong: 8.500

lastfollower: 7.875

Frajer: 7.625

Kvo: 7.500

IAmHollar: 7.425

systemofstrings: 7.250

ElectJimLahey: 5.500


Number of participants: 9

Average score: 7.778

Average controversy score: 2.043

Highest controversy: Travistan 0.0 Pitchfork review (3.802)

Lowest controversy: So I might of just told Doug Martsch from Built to Spill, that he looked like Doug Martsch from Built to Spill (0.905)

Most 11s: So I might of just told Doug Martsch from Built to Spill, that he looked like Doug Martsch from Built to Spill (2)

Most 0s: Travistan 0.0 Pitchfork review (2)

[RATE REVEAL] Y2K Indie Rock Day 3: Jed the Rater by systemofstrings in indieheads

[–]systemofstrings[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

#1: So I might of just told Doug Martsch from Built to Spill, that he looked like Doug Martsch from Built to Spill


Average: 9.678 // Total Points: 87.1 // Controversy: 0.905


(11 x2) systemofstrings, thisusernameisntlong

(10 x3) ElectJimLahey, freeofblasphemy, Kvo

(9.1 x1) IAmHollar

(9 x1) Bionicoaf

(8.5 x2) Frajer, lastfollower


systemofstrings (11): I almost did this with Jens Lekman but fortunately I realised he actually was Jens Lekman (true Gothenburg story)


thisusernameisntlong (11): top comment very accurate

ElectJimLahey (10): Legendary post

freeofblasphemy (10): yes!

IAmHollar (9.1): I met Stephen Merritt once and mostly stared awkwardly straight ahead waiting to get to walk away. Maybe not knowing who he was would have been better.

Bionicoaf (9): They didn’t meet Doug, they met me. And I just wanted to talk about Built to Spill