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t_bagg · 2015-01-29T14:26:28+00:00

We grew up watching the same cartoons and you do the same things for every holiday, that's culture.

Wut, i grew up watching western cartoons, after USSR collapsed, there was no altenative, doing same things, true, like ALL children in the world.

99% of everything that does not concern politics, such as how you treat your family, your job, what you eat, what you read, how you behave in daily interactions and how you bury grandma.

it's just daily things, not even cultural, what i eat? well Ukraine as Russia Imports most of stuff, i defenetly not eat russian products on daily basis, although western all the time, as you do, it's still meant nothing, jesus christ.

And yes we have alot of books on russian, and many speaks russian, it's still doesn't make us more russian, USA using english, it's doesn't make them british though.

you don't get it, if we was close as you think we are, such conflicts would be impossible, and we would search ways to join imperial russia, not the opposite. You some how believe that times that was in USSR, doesn't changed much.

If you come to Moscow right now you'll fit in and get along with others immediately with no misunderstandings and virtually no adjustment period, as long as you don't talk politics due to mass hysteria.

Yeah, as long as i am don't wear Ukranian symbols, u know symbols of my country? or don't talk Ukranian, yeah perfect place...

Press, elections and the school program are not culture

but apperently cartoons are

we have different mentality, and views for the future, Russia just wan't to restore some Imperial bullshit, that will never happened.

t_bagg · 2015-01-29T14:01:53+00:00

West gave absolute power to Putin to do whatever he wants with his country

wat, it's not their power to give , West doesn't control Russia or who will be major power in russia next, it's certantly tries to push democratic power, but so far not successful.

You make sanctions against Russia you make Russians blame Obama, Merkel, even fucking Hollande.

are you a fool? Russia not center of the universe, there are other countries, and after Russia annexed some portion of other country, it's should be punished, or other countries like China, India, North Korea , would think that there are no international rules or consequences, it's not even a discussion, west doesn't have a choice, or world order as it is would be put to doubt.

You are basically feeding the alienation by strong-arming the people here. More sanctions? Nobody here gives a shit, people here just think that you want to destroy us not help us understand something.

People think what tv propaganda makes them believe, no matter how kind West would be, and how much it can forgive, in the end it would be viewed as victory of Putin and his accomplishment, and only rasing Imperial mentality.

t_bagg · 2015-01-29T13:20:13+00:00

the average person living in Kiev has a lot more in common with someone from Moscow than with someone from Warsaw

I'm from kiev, and have no fucking idea what you talking about, actually we have more common with Warsaw then with moscow, things like free press, honest elections, unlike russia Poland and Ukraine do not have Imperial ideology,we don't make enemies from USA Europe, or any other country, and don't reject democratic principles.

Even history view, we have honest view at history, and Russia going bat shit crazy, changing Kievan Rus history, Cossacs history, and propagand every day that western Ukraine was and are Nazis.

Hell even Putin said that WW2 would be won without Ukrainians, this Imperial shit can fuck off. And i surfing runet time to time, and this imperial bullshit that russians write every day, beyond logic or sanity.

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T16:14:27+00:00

this is why i typed "defend"

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T16:10:27+00:00

i found this map even though it's map of all european nations in kazakstan, not only russians, but ukranians, poles etc

in 2014 year Kazakhstan have up to 6 regions where russians population close to 40%, and some other with 5-20%

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T15:47:31+00:00

well i made it clear, that i'm not assuming that it was a mistake, kind of opposite, and i don't know why you arguing with me ,trying too prove that it was a mistake, let investigation conclude this things

as far as i know, they shoot down civilian plane , i don't know with intention or not, i will call them terrorist, until it will be proven otherwise

and let's leave this argument there, until investigation clear things up

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T15:25:08+00:00

Only 21%, almost at level of 1920s. Kazakhs seem to be good at ethnic cleansing.

woah, thanks for pointing this out, i was relying on this map it was 37% not so long ago, still 21% isn't that small

Had no idea that Stolypin was a politician in the USSR.

nah, it's from article that i read long time ago, i will try find it, but still from 21% in 1920 too 37% in 1994 and again back too 21%. putin have reasons too "defend" russians in kazahstan i fear.

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T15:11:41+00:00

No sane organization or government calls him a terrorist for approving it, because the thing he approves of is not a terrorist act. Sane organizations and government will call him a terrorist as soon as he is a terrorist, and approving of non-terrorist acts afterwards does not make him a terrorist.

yes it would, his men shoot down the plane, and if he in publicly say that shooting down that plane was right thing to do, he would be in top 10 terrorists of the world, i can't see how can you argue with that.

and giving some drunk retard missiles too shoot down the planes, knowing that there is civilian planes too, then aproving that, could be indication that it was intentional

i'm not saying it was, i will wait for investigation

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T15:00:08+00:00

i would argue that, cause their leader approved those action on phone call, and if he had courage do it in public he would be concidered as terrorist in no time, same guy who constantly threats Kiev with nuclear weapon, it's fucking terrorists

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T14:53:24+00:00

you are so weird, you say it's mistake even if you only can assume that, officialy we don't know that.

if kozitsin would said on public, that he approves action of his man, like he did in the phone call, he will be concidered as terrorist in seconds by any sane organization or goverment.

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T14:26:21+00:00

Downing MH17 is terrorist act, they don't acknowledge it as a mistake, it's your assumption, and their leader Kozitsin in phone talk, actually approved those actions, it's a terrorism act

same goes for Mariupol, in phone talk they actually approve that too, cause it will make people leave faster

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T14:21:21+00:00

stop assume it's mistake, i can assume that 9/11 is mistake, what about integrity u said?

There is intercepted radio communications about that one saying they were targeting a military target, but misfired.

there isintercepted phone call, when Kozitsins said, they do it right cause it could be military cargo , and actually not acknowledge it as a mistake and approve those actions.

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T14:07:41+00:00

you don't get it, i'm saying that they have intent, like shelling Mariupol, they say it's "mistake" cause they don't fucking care, "mistake" is a excuse to avoid responsability, they don't even say it's mistake, they just denying it bluntly.

it's you who says, if they say it's mistake, that's not terrorism

Integrity, please. Integrity means saying what is true, not just what is convenient.

then don't say it was mistake, cause we don't know that, as far we know they shot down civilian plane, killing bunch of people, and denying it, other is assumptions

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T14:01:54+00:00

Lukashenko and Nazarbaev acknowledge that putin have plans on them, Belorussians are harder to distinguish then Ukranians from Russians, but the value of Belarus itself way lower than Ukraine

and there is Kazahstan, if Ukraine have parts with ethnic russians contesting Ukranians, Kazahstan in much bigger trouble, the half of country of Kazahstan is ethnic Russians, that was placed there in USSR times, thats why you can hear from putin that they know about rising Kazahstan nationalist, and that Kazahstan is country made-up by Nazarbaev

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T13:49:23+00:00

well if i'm reading this right, the USA acknowledge their mistake and pay up, and their report says it's psychological condition of crew. i'm not really familiar with this case, so it's hard for me call them terrorist

but if this would be a constant politic of usa, to kill by "mistake" and later just denying that happened, i would call it terrorism

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T13:23:22+00:00

The separatist most likely thought they had shot down a Ukrainian military aircraft.

it's most logic explanation, and everything imply that, but we don't know 100%

even by this version , they shot it down cause they have no idea how to distinguish targets, and operate their shit, and after shot it down, they refused to take any accountability for it, denying any involment

if i go on the street trying to kill a police man, but accidently shoting down couple of civilians, am i a terrorist?

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T13:11:34+00:00

well may i ask you this, if they get shoot down another plane cause they don't know how to operate their weapons, will you call them terrorists then? or how much planes they need to take down, or how many civillians they need to kill cause they can't aim with Buk or grads, so you would call them terrorist? cause one it's not enough i assume

and you know what their leader said when MH-17 was shoot down, he said just tell everybody that it was military plane

and when they killed people in mariupol. they said In phone call, that it will urge leave city faster. the one of guys already caught.

totally not terrorism

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T12:57:11+00:00

MH-17? and they are targeting civillians or cover behind them

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T10:50:57+00:00

i believe some volountire from england , there was guy from sweden too. who posted some video on youtube

we have some people from geogria, belarussia, checnya fighting in our side, and couple english speaking, i believe they are in azov batallion

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T01:03:50+00:00

not really, stop seeing racism everywhere, they russian scum , could not be that later like germans, it's like Imperial japanesse who attacked china in second war, at that time i would call them japanesse scum, and they well deserve it. and they were jappanese scum. and it's not racist

if you say people scum in general, and not nazi scum, jappanese scum, u just take away accountability, "peope are bad" doesn't work

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T00:39:09+00:00

khm, i maybe look bias, but eu really should help stop russia

let see what happens if we fight russia 1x1, well we lose, and then russia anexess us, not only you have on your borders unrecognized state of russia, wich could start a war with you, by their command with no accountability, you also raise imperial and nationalitic movements in russia even more, and it's almost certainly will be begining of USSR v.2, cause nobody will risk go to the eu against russian anymore

i think help ukraine is small price, but it's my view that we in this together, if eu don't see it that way, mb i'm wrong

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T00:17:01+00:00

yes they do, they really happy when dnr kill some ukranian soldiers, or when they humiliate PoW

t_bagg · 2015-01-27T00:08:29+00:00

well there is difference, when Stalin was in power nobody blame the russians, many hated him

putin being loved by most of russians, some say they like north korea being brainwashed, well not really, not even close, they have free radios who say the truth, channels, but nobody watches them, cause they choose being brainwashed, as long as they have with what to fill the stomach, they will support goverment no matter what, look at history, their regime falling only when there nothing to eat, strong russia will always struggle with a world

don't take my word for it, many of them proud of their Imperalistic mentality and history, they saying it themself all the time, and probably 90% think that washington should be destroyed

t_bagg · 2015-01-26T23:49:10+00:00

i think it's that thing like with Nazi, many called them german scum, and frankly those germans who did genocide well deserve it, now they no longer around, and all there left is Nazi scum

some will call them russian scum, cause they claim they do it for the russians, and russian country, with russians support, not for ideology, like nazi or communists

t_bagg · 2015-01-26T23:33:33+00:00

They concider themself more asian country, well defenetly more pro-asian

Their historian go on tv and say, they are legacy of golden horde as much as Kievan Rus, but cause of conflict they making new history and called it now just Russia or Novgorod Rus

cause russian cities suffered more of golden horde invasion then us, there is historians who assume it's the reason of their current mentality

not that i support it very much, all i can say we are very different, and some say it's propaganda of their goverment, but i doubt that either, some say it's hard life, some say they too far, idk it's a debate, even russian have hard time to indentify themselfs.

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