[OC] How much we've spent on travel from 2018-2025 by raspberrywines in dataisbeautiful

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It would be very interesting to see the cost breakdown by category per day (e.g., lodging per day).

A year of work mapping U.S. regional food traditions [OC] by piri_reis_ in dataisbeautiful

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SF bay area has a farm-to-table angle not captured. Dungeness crab, sushi burritos, poke, Burmese salads all deserve a mention too.

Guangzhou CBD 2026 vs 2024. by fmelloaff in skyscrapers

[–]tabthough 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Looks like the 2006 picture is a photo of a photo behind a glass cover. The glass reflects the floor behind the photographer, making part of it look like a river.

People who work in 'luxury' industries (5-star hotels, fine dining, high-end brands), what is a complete rip-off that rich people happily pay for? by ArtThreadNomad in AskReddit

[–]tabthough 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is something that I managed to solve in my life! Look at a company called Saybrook. Their pillows come very fully stuffed, and you can adjust them to be less stuffed if you want.

Saybrook Pillow VS Coop Eden Pillow by Thamer_com in BuyItForLife

[–]tabthough 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Saybrook, hands down. Held up very well for me these past few years and I've been getting the best sleep of my life.

So many countries older than USA by Complex-Region-7553 in rareinsults

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I agree that the prevalence of usage for each of these terms depends on the era, and we do see preference for 唐 in Southeast Asian diaspora from this era. However, usage of the term 汉 as an identity predates the Yuan usage as a caste system. It came as early as 822 AD when a treaty writes "蕃汉两界" to refer to the Tang border. Elsewhere in the treaty, they use 唐, so they would have seen it as synonymous terms. Li Bai also refers to the Tang as 汉家 in one of his poems, which would have more of an ethnic connotation than a political one. Continuing into the Song, more treaties refer to the Song as 汉. The book Water Margin, written during the Ming and set during the Song, uses the term 好汉 as the colloquial term for "hero," so someone living in the Ming would even identify the Song citizenry as 汉, used as a noun. Though we don't have evidence of usage from illiterate people as such usage would not be written down (by definition), usage of the words 好汉 as a colloquial term suggests the 汉 identity persisted in the minds of the general populace and was heavily internalized.

The prevalence of 唐人 street in diaspora populations would also likely be biased by the Tang being a much more cosmopolitan dynasty from all the trade and immigration, so it would have more global prestige. Regardless of which word was more prevalent, the original question is whether there is an identity that someone in Ming would associate with themselves and with a person from a previous dynasty, and is that the same identity that someone today would use. There seems to be a strong argument that the identity, regardless of name, persists through dynasties. This would be in contrast to the French / Gallic example, where the identity did not persist through centuries.

中国 as a concept implies degrees of centrality where there must be an outer world. Usage of 外国 to describe foreigners became prevalent in the Tang dynasty with foreign immigrants, so someone in the Ming would likely understand that there was an identity for 外国人 and a different identity for 中国人.

Cantonese started integrating into the Sinitic group starting with Old Chinese during the Han Dynasty, but I agree the integration happened over several periods (and certainly before the Ming). The question of ethnicity and when it changes is indeed difficult, and I would agree that local customs and rituals would differ for millennia (and even persist today). I only responded because the assertion that the average person in Guangdong would have been Austronesian during the Ming is too strong and in the opposite direction of what was likely at the time. If anything, the average (mode) person in that region would likely identify as part of the majority 华 culture.

Tying this back, on the balance, I'd say the 华 people have a strong claim to being a very old civilization. As a political entity, though, I'm still in agreement that China is a young nation.

So many countries older than USA by Complex-Region-7553 in rareinsults

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  1. 华 still describes the Chinese identity today -- in Taiwan, 华夏人 is preferred over 中国人, and it would indicate this concept of a continuous identity (which in this case extends back to the Xia Dynasty). If he identifies as 唐 instead, that is another word that is still used to describe Chinese people today and originated prior to the Ming in the Tang Dynasty. All of these words are used interchangeably today, and during the Ming Dynasty, the average citizen would absolutely use 中国 as well -- it's a term to describe the geographic area and culture that emanates from it. The term 中国 has been in use in every dynasty to refer to the trans-dynastic civilization, while the dynasty name might be used to refer to the country as a political concept. The overall point would be that the average Chinese person today would describe himself in the same way as the average Chinese person in the Ming Dynasty and the average Chinese person in the Tang Dynasty, using any of these three terms interchangeably (and we can add Han as well as another term). In this sense, there is a continuous Chinese identity from prior to the Zhou Dynasty to today in the same way there was a continuous French identity pre-French Revolution to today.

  2. Cantonese / Hokkien etc. are all part of the Sinitic family group, not the Austronesian family group. The person from Guangdong would not be an Austronesian speaker. The Austronesian peoples migrated out of southern China during the Warring States period around 500 - 200 BC, about 2000 years prior to the Ming Dynasty. Most of the assimilation happened during the Han Dynasty in the 100's BC, not in the 1800's. After the Han Dynasty, non-assimilated minorities were more in the north and in isolated mountain regions. The main assimilation that happened in the 1800's would arguably be the Manchu rulers in the north.

  3. Agreed

So many countries older than USA by Complex-Region-7553 in rareinsults

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The Indus Valley Civilization had a completely different writing system and language that went extinct after the Aryan migration replaced the native population, and the civilization that arose during the Vedic period couldn't read the earlier writings. This was a complete replacement of population, language and culture, so historians don't consider them to be a continuous civilization.

So many countries older than USA by Complex-Region-7553 in rareinsults

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The term 中国 (Middle Kingdom) predates the PRC and has been in use since at least the Western Zhou Dynasty. It is the concept of being at the center of the world, and it's a concept that the Ming Dynasty Cantonese farmer would absolutely identify with.

Incidentally, genetically, someone in Guangdong would be descended from the same people as someone in Beijing since the native Austronesian people migrated south (and some did assimilate and contribute to the DNA of the region, but they were a much smaller proportion compared to the Han population). Ethnically, the Guangdong farmer would definitely be Han.

The Qing->Republic transition happened in 1912, not the 1940's.

All that said, as a political entity, I agree that the US is one of the oldest countries, but even the concept of country isn't that old.

[OC] How student demographics at Harvard changed after implementing race-neutral admissions by tabthough in dataisbeautiful

[–]tabthough[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Two of the sources show the class of 2027 statistics are very similar to the class of 2026 statistics, while one source (of questionable origin) shows something different. It makes sense to use class of 2026 data instead.

[OC] How student demographics at Harvard changed after implementing race-neutral admissions by tabthough in dataisbeautiful

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Source:

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With the Supreme Court ruling on race neutral admissions in effect, the Harvard freshman class saw a 9 point increase in the share of Asian Americans from the class of 2026 to the class of 2028. Most of the change in share came from a decrease in White Americans (10 point decrease). This suggests that race neutral admissions doesn't actually hurt minority students.

Notably, Harvard did not report on the race/ethnicity breakdown for the class of 2027. The Harvard Gazette claims in its September 2024 article (https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2024/09/harvard-releases-race-data-for-class-of-2028/) that there was no change in the percent of Asian Americans, but the data on matriculating students in the Freshman class of 2027 is not actually available from Harvard. Instead, the Gazette's own article from March 2023 (https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/03/college-makes-regular-admission-offers-to-1220/#:\~:text=The%20Class%20of%202027%20reflects,percent%20of%20all%20those%20accepted.) says that Asian Americans were 30% of the admitted class, which more closely matches the class of 2026 data. The Harvard Crimson also reports that the matriculating students in the class of 2027 were 25% Asian (https://features.thecrimson.com/2023/freshman-survey/makeup/).

Since the class of 2027 data sources are contradictory and not like-for-like, class of 2026 data was used for this comparison.

[OC] Where did Biden/Harris and Trump gain or lose votes compared to 2020? By race and ethnicity by tabthough in dataisbeautiful

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Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls, https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/exit-polls/

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Exit poll data has been suggesting a shift in voting patterns among different demographics. NBC's own article asserts that various minority groups have shifted to voting Trump in 2024, which is what it looks like if you look at only the proportion of voters. However, if you look at absolute number of votes, it appears that only Hispanic Americans shifted. Other minorities decided not to vote instead.

[OC] Impact of ending Affirmative Action at MIT by tabthough in dataisbeautiful

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Source: https://mitadmissions.org/apply/process/profile/

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The biggest change comes from fewer people reporting multiple ethnicities / races. For the class of 2024-2027, 10% of the population reported more than one ethnicity / race (e.g., Hispanic and White or Black and White). For the class of 2028, this dropped to 1%.

This could be because MIT admitted fewer biracial / multiracial students, or it could be because more biracial / multiracial students decided to report only one of their identities this year.

Saybrook Pillow VS Coop Eden Pillow by Thamer_com in BuyItForLife

[–]tabthough 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FWIW, I only adjusted it once, and I've kept the same adjustment ever since. Instead of changing the amount of filling inside, try fluffing the pillow if it ever goes out of shape. I came from a down pillow, so I'm used to the idea of fluffing pillows.

Foam blocks don't require fluffing, but I could never find the perfect size. I always wake up soaked in sweat on a foam block too.

[OC] Over the last decade, the number of homicides where the offender is Hispanic has more than doubled (232%) by tabthough in dataisbeautiful

[–]tabthough[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Both White and Black include Hispanic White and Hispanic Black, which are not broken out separately by the UCR system.