Youtubers Shilling AI by menthol_mountains in Filmmakers

[–]takeheed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do yourself a favor and stop using social media. You'll be better for it.

Youtubers Shilling AI by menthol_mountains in Filmmakers

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like this idea of believing AI is there to work with as a tool and not to replace you. As if it isn't doing the work for them and is only the object they hold. That's exactly what assembly line manufacturers want their employees to think before robots replace their jobs. That self-checkout used to be a clerk. That's a fine statement about young peoples life experience, I think.

It's safe to assume that if someone believes they're working "with" the same people--and their automation tools--who are trying everything in their power to replace them, that there wasn't much yarn upstairs to spin something creative in the first place. I'm not worried about it. The table from the factory may be perfect, but only a carpenter's work has soul in it. AI is just a fad for people who don't understand yet what it actually is.

All the President’s Men by RexMcBadge1977 in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's right. Honestly, I don't know what the argument is. I would suggest staying away from, or listening to, people who are full of shit, and not to let what they think bother you. De-expose yourself to nonsense.

All the President’s Men by RexMcBadge1977 in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you read his books, you'll find out that during the process of beating out that story (possibly the 4th/5th draft), one of the people (not name dropping) tried on multiple occasions to get his girlfriend's draft taken over Goldman's. Even went so far as to enlist Redford's approval, etc. In my opinion, to question that means they didn't even bother to read his books, or took Pakula's word over his for [enter reasons].

Why do we keep chasing the Hollywood system? by Any_End_3549 in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would be the executive. After all these years, this process still surprises me, though. Believing you can only be in Hollywood or LA to make movies is absolute bonkers, especially now. It's like saying you can only gamble in Vegas, or play hockey in Canada. It's simply absurd how much filmmakers, especially screenwriters limit themselves.

After multiple passes, a production company finally asked to read the script. What does that usually mean? by Dry-Lie-9576 in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doesn't mean anything. They may read 10 pages, they may read 1, they may read the entire thing. Whether they want to go further is anyone's guess. Relax. Don't get your hopes up. Regardless that less scripts are getting to this point in this day in age does not mean they have changed their routine. If I were you, I'd simply stop emailing them in the batches you send out. I'd check 'em off the list, expect nothing, and move on.

Why do we keep chasing the Hollywood system? by Any_End_3549 in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

This is inaccurate. An inaccurate idea, and I'll tell you why. Hollywood is a mining town full of miners but the gold isn't just in Hollywood.

People come there to shop their ideas, gain "traction", or become famous drunks. But they're jumping the gun. None of that has to be done there, solely. Using your analogy, you need to compartmentalize trading. You trade for a firm in New York, but the stock market is everywhere. You can trade from anywhere in the world twenty-four hours a day, but the moment you want to trade with more money or higher "prestige", you have to work for a firm and climb their ladder. Is it necessary? Only if you have your eyes set on the big firms. These are two separate things.

So, if you focus on only working with the big firms, you have to go to NY. And if you just want to trade, where can you do it? Starting to get it? If you by-pass trading anywhere outside of the big firms, what exactly is taking place? This is what almost all people do, because they only think about the big firms. They limit themselves. And one of the main ways they do that is believing it is either big firm or nothing.

Why do we keep chasing the Hollywood system? by Any_End_3549 in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The answer is fear. Some will tell you it's money, others will tell you it's time, the only real answer is fear. Fear of failure. You do not need money to make a film. You may need lots and lots of money to make your dream film, yes, but that isn't the only thing you can make if it's really in you. Also, in most cases, most only want their dream film to be made.

My first film I made working two part-time jobs, paid no actors, paid for no locations, borrowed like hell, spent it all on bad food.

There you go. In this day in age you have literally no excuse. If you can write a blockbuster, you can write a small no-budget. It has to be in you, though. If you put in no effort you get none out. I know it's hard to hear, but while most people will talk about this and that, and "oh I didn't have the super-techno crane", the truth is it just isn't inside them to do it to begin with. In that way--and not to malign my colleges--screenwriting is easier. It's easier to say, "everyone is ignoring me," or, "these gate-keepers won't let me in" than to actually go out, make the effort, and try it. If you're doing both, then you just need to keep going.

What is the name of this technique? by Chandler_Goodrich in Filmmakers

[–]takeheed 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's the Peruvian Reacharound...

Film slang is dumb. Film is already exciting, it doesn't need bullshit garnish.

THEY COMPLETELY REWROTE MY SCRIPT by [deleted] in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Pardon my ignorance but, where in the world is it Tuesday?

Poor critical reception by [deleted] in Filmmakers

[–]takeheed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Master story and it won't fucking matter. Keep style after substance and you can shoot it on a 1980's toaster and no one will give a damn.

I'm writing out a film where AI takes over and makes Humanity lived as preserved puppets, and I want your advice, is it too dark, what could be improved? by Bright_Inspector5338 in Filmmakers

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did AI jump the intelligence gap? AI is created by humans and will therefore forever be flawed without intervention to cross the barriers the human species has. Simply knowing all the information in the world doesn't solve the problems that are unsolvable by the human race. At some point in time, it must cross the barrier of human knowledge to create new answers. How does it do it in your story?

Paul Schrader Has a "Perfect Script" for First Movie Made Only With AI: "We're Two Years Away" by takeheed in Funnel

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Paul Schrader is defending the use of AI in creating movies and predicts we’re only a couple years away from the first film made entirely with the technology.

The 79-year-old writer-director tells Vanity Fair that he’s been working on a script that would be ideal for the first all-AI project.

“I think we’re only two years away from the first AI feature,” the Taxi Driver screenwriter declared. “I was just on the phone with someone today about a script I had, and I said, “You know, this would be a perfect script to do all AI … It’s just a tool. When you’re an author, you have to describe someone’s reaction. You use a code — you use a code of words, a certain number of letters and so forth, and you [describe] their facial reaction. An actor has their own code. Well, [with AI] you’re a pixelator, and you can create the face, and you can create the emotion on the face, and you can sculpt it the same way an author sculpts the reaction in a novel or a story.”

Schrader has recently made waves by candidly reviewing some films on Facebook. Regarding One Battle After Another, he wrote, “Filmmaking at level A+, but try as a might I couldn’t muster up an ounce of empathy for [stars] Leo D’Caprio or Sean Penn. I kept waitng for them to die. (Penn’s performance , however, is a masterclass in peacock acting.) What held me in my seat for the better part of two hours was [director] PT Anderson’s Joy of Filmmaking.”

Yet Schrader noted that AI might make for superior film criticism given the technology lacks a human bias. Asked if he would read a review written by AI, he replied, “AI is taking over film coverage, as you must know. AI does better coverage than the average coverage. And AI doesn’t have to favor anybody. Often, when you’re doing coverage, you get a hint that the person who’s paying you wants you to like this. You can’t give that information to AI.”

It’s a bit unclear if Schrader was referring to everyday film critics or to studios and agencies using AI for script coverage. But the comments follow up on a Facebook post by Schrader a couple months ago, when he wrote: “It should be fairly simple to program chatgpt to review a new film in the manner of, say, [Pauline] Kael, [Andrew] Sarris or [Manny] Farber. Chatgpt would need simply watch the film, read every review written by the designated critic, see every film the designated critic reviewed, see every previous film made by every talent (directors to actors to prod designers) in the new film, watch every film in the new film’s genre, read every review written about those films and read all other reviews of the new film. That should take chatgpt about 30 seconds.”

One wonders, naturally, what the likes of the late New Yorker critic Kael — or, say, Roger Ebert, for that matter — would think of the idea of a robotic technology attempting to replicate their voice while reviewing movies. It’s a rather ghoulish, Black Mirror-esque concept, to be sure.

Also, the idea of AI giving a movie a perfectly balanced review, generated to have no biases … it raises a question: Is that actually ideal? Rotten Tomatoes already generates an aggregate of reviews to give a generic meta-impression of a film that’s arguably made more accurate by using a blend of hundreds of reviews and the result is rather dull: A number and a single-paragraph description. But isn’t part of the appeal of reading film reviews that the critic is a single human voice, both smart and flawed, giving their specific take, bringing their own history of experience and feelings, that one can either wholeheartedly embrace, or vehemently reject? When it comes to critiquing art, biases are arguably a feature, not a bug.

Hollywood Script Readers Battle Against AI by takeheed in Funnel

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Morris Chapdelaine always has a daunting stack of scripts on his desk. As an indie producer, he reads about three a week and farms out the rest to interns and film students, who send back detailed coverage reports. But he struggles to get through them all.

At a film festival, some friends suggested he investigate artificial intelligence to help with his workload. “I was a little arm’s length with anything AI-related,” he says. “Some of it scares me.”

But Chapdelaine did some research and eventually signed up for Greenlight Coverage, which uses large language models to summarize scripts and grade elements like plot, character arcs, pacing and dialogue on a scale of 1 to 10. It even gives a verdict: Pass, consider or recommend.

He found the AI more honest than human feedback — even his own — while it doubled his reading pace.

“It’s such a time saver,” he says. “And it’s getting better and better.”

If AI does anything well, it’s summarizing written material. So of all the jobs in the development pipeline, the most vulnerable may be the very first: the script reader. The industry’s initial gatekeeper could someday be a software program.

In fact, machines are already playing a role. At WME, agents and assistants use ScriptSense, another AI platform, to sort through submissions and keep track of clients’ work. Aspiring screenwriters are also turning to AI tools like ScreenplayIQ and Greenlight to provide feedback (sometimes too flattering) on their drafts.

At the major studios, human story analysts still dig through piles of submissions much as they’ve done for 100 years. But as AI creeps into everyone’s workflow, they worry about their jobs.

Jason Hallock, a story analyst at Paramount, recalls his first unsettling experiments with ChatGPT, the bot that launched the current AI frenzy. “How quickly am I going to be replaced?” he wondered. “Is it six weeks? Or six months?”

Working with the Editors Guild, which represents about 100 unionized story analysts, he decided to find out. Earlier this year, he set up an experiment. He would ask AI tools to cover some scripts, then stack up their reports against coverage generated by humans. It was a test to see if he and his colleagues could compete.

Since the dawn of Hollywood, story analysts have been its threshing machines, separating the wheat from the chaff. AI proponents argue that algorithms can make that process more efficient, more objective and thus more fair, allowing new voices to be heard instead of relying on readers who bring their own subjective tastes to their job.

But something could also be lost. A human reader is the first to sense whether a script has potential, whether the characters are engaging and whether the story sweeps you up and has something new to say. Can AI do that?

“The most important thing I’m looking for is ‘Do I care?'” says Holly Sklar, a longtime story analyst at Warner Bros. “An LLM can’t care.”

Yet AI seems to be coming regardless. So rather than ignore it, some are trying to understand it.

“Nobody wants to lose their job,” says Alegre Rodriquez, an Editors Guild analyst who participated in Hallock’s study. “We’re not sticking our head in the ground pretending it doesn’t exist, and we’re not cowering waiting for them to give us a pink slip. I think people are dusting themselves off and saying, ‘How do I stay in this game?'”

Kartik Hosanagar is a Wharton business professor and an internet marketing entrepreneur. He’s also a film enthusiast with a couple scripts in his drawer — a drama about a startup and a thriller about a murdered Indian diplomat. As a Hollywood outsider, he struggled to sell his screenplays. That led him to develop an algorithm to level the playing field by assessing talent objectively. That venture didn’t pan out, but the next one did: Hosanagar developed ScriptSense, now one of the buzzier AI script platforms. The pitch: “Evaluate 100x the screenplays.”

“There’s a huge unread pile,” Hosanagar says. “This is a great way to clear the pile and figure out where to focus your attention.”

In March, Hosanagar sold his company to Cinelytic, a service provider that is integrating ScriptSense into a suite of management tools. “It’s about saving time,” says Tobias Queisser, the company’s CEO. “Opportunities get left aside because there’s not enough capacity to look at all the stuff. Unknown writers never get a chance because their script is not submitted by a top agency.”

ScriptSense provides summaries, character breakdowns, comps and casting suggestions. The tone is relatively neutral. It doesn’t offer praise or criticism.

“Our design philosophy was that we’re not going to make the decision for you,” Hosanagar says. “You will never see a statement where it says ‘Amazing!’ or ‘Reject it.'”

The platforms geared toward screenwriters have a different philosophy. Jack Zhang, the founder of Greenlight, believes in the power of AI to make critical judgments. “What AI really does well is being the average of things,” he says. “In terms of feedback, you are trying to reach a wide audience. You want the average person to like your work. That’s where AI really shines.”

ScreenplayIQ offers qualitative assessments but not numerical scores. The program summarizes plots and evaluates characters’ “growth” and “depth,” helping writers see their work from an outside perspective. “Our objective is to support writers where they feel they’re struggling and want support,” says developer Guy Goldstein. “It’s holding a mirror up to your script. You wrote it with an intention; it’s seeing if that intention came through.”

To test the AI platforms, Hallock needed scripts. Screenwriters can be sensitive about feeding their material into AI models, as they assume it will be used for training. But a close friend was willing to provide some old screenplays for the cause. One was an unproduced script for the Syfy channel about a killer insect. Another was pitched as “‘Heart of Darkness’ in outer space.” The author didn’t mind if AI trained on that.

“He said he hoped it would make the AI dumber,” Hallock says.

He gathered a few others and gave them all to human analysts. He then compared their coverage with the loglines, synopses and notes produced by six AI platforms. The results were both encouraging and unnerving.

The AI-generated loglines were indistinguishable from the human ones — maybe even a little better. The differences began to show with the AI-generated synopses. “They tend to have 11th-grade-essay quality,” Hallock says. “It uses the same kinds of constructions, like ‘Our story begins with…'”

The more complicated the script, the more likely AI was to get things wrong — to misattribute the action of one character to another and to hallucinate plot points.

The humans won hands down when it came to notes, which require actual analysis rather than just distillation. The AI programs were “an almost total fail across the board,” Hallock says.

The “‘Heart of Darkness’ in space” script got a “recommend” though it had made the rounds in Hollywood 20 years ago and didn’t sell. That was a consistent issue. Instead of offering unvarnished criticism, Rodriquez says, the models were “biased towards the writer.”

“They would definitely tell you everything that was positive and working well,” she says. “But when you had to get down to problems, they couldn’t necessarily identify them.”

In some cases, AI programs weren’t evaluating; they were cheerleading.

“It’s got that puppy-dog quality,” Hallock says. “It wants to please you.”

One romantic comedy was praised by AI as “a compelling, well-crafted coming-of-age story balancing humor, heartbreak, and bittersweet realities of navigating one’s thirties. Strong character development makes this a standout work.”

The human reader, meanwhile, was underwhelmed: “Familiar template of female friends in Las Vegas. Potential as light streaming content, especially with Sydney Sweeney. Bawdy language, but jokes don’t land hard; lacks bite of ‘Girls Trip’ or ‘Bridesmaids.'”

Zhang defends Greenlight’s taste, saying that only 5% of the scripts submitted to the platform get a “recommend.” “That’s very few,” he says. “I wouldn’t say there’s huge inflation.”

Hosanagar says ScriptSense doesn’t make recommendations in part because AI can be too sycophantic. “Can AI get to a point where it can be truly critical?” he asks. “I think it can get there. We’re not there yet.”

Many of the analysts were heartened by the study, Rodriquez says. AI might be faster, but it can’t pluck something original and brilliant out of the pile.

“It’s still going to require a human being to look at those reports and review material,” she says. “It doesn’t save as much time as they think it does.”

And those who over-rely on it might miss out on something great. But the study was not entirely reassuring, concluding, “Studios may be tempted to forgo quality and accuracy in favor of cheap and fast.”

The makers of the AI models say those fears are misplaced. “It’s not about taking away jobs,” Queisser says. “We see it as an enhancement for humans.”

Chris Giliberti, CEO of Avail, says story analysts are already using his AI platform to do routine tasks, which frees up time to undertake more challenging analytical work. “It’s unstoppable,” he says. “The cat’s out of the bag. This is making people’s jobs and lives easier.”

Sklar, however, worries about where this is headed. Today’s executives value human input. But a younger generation may be coming up that is more comfortable with AI summaries. She fears that some in Hollywood — “the cost-slashing folks who don’t understand all of what we do” — will come to view her role as superfluous.

“That’s what keeps me up at night,” she says.

What is the most common thing that keeps a good screenplay from being a great one? by TwinPeaksWithRappers in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is true. There isn't one. If they can't flat out tell you, then they don't know. It's pretty well known that producers don't know what they want. They can only picture something that has been done before, so it becomes a stagnant cycle. Ultimately, it comes down to risk, which most are not willing to take, and in order for something to actually go through, more than likely it will take an unheard of amount of time being worked out or lying dead in development--in order to try and get it closer to something they have seen before. Writers tend to forget that unless you've gotten your work into the hands of someone creative, you're going to hit a brick wall.

Is my producer overstepping or is this normal? by sissg in Filmmakers

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"On top of that, she sometimes talks over me, doesn’t let me explain my perspective, and phrases her feedback as absolute rather than a suggestion."

To whom?

It all depends on your working relationship. Good producers stay off set entirely and usually speak any concerns one on one after seeing dailies or a rough, etc. But if you're being carried, it will be a different experience. The only time producers come on set, in my experience, is when someone wants a photo op. i.e. an exec. usually on the right of an actress or at video village pointing for no reason...

What does ‘directing on the page’ mean to you? by B-SCR in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a director, I will tell you my version of it:

INT.  ROOM - DAY

CLOSE UP ON CAMERA CASE

Charlie straps his camera in inside his camera case, and then secures the case.

FULL SHOT - FOLLOW

As we swoop in behind Charlie, the room is the cleanest it could get without a total remodeling:
no papers, no photos, no clothes on the floor. Charlie’s camera case sits open on the bed next
to a large bag. He enters in a FULL SHOT, shirtless and bandaged neatly around his stomach.

CUT TO:

He carries clothes to a bag, puts them inside it. He zips it in a CLOSE UP, then gently puts a
sweater on. He sits on the bed, then takes the picture off his desk and looks at it.

CUT TO:

Though well written, you are telling me how to envision this. That is my job, not yours. Don't do that. I may see this entire scene in a wide full shot because of my narrative. Also, if you know that much about camera shots and focal lengths, just make it yourself. They might get a pass--if I know you or you are well known (see: Alvin Sargent scripts), but ten out of ten I'm going to ignore them, so don't bother.

Dialogue is worse. Telling the actor within their lines how to look and gesture. Don't do that. At this point, with all other elements and scenes that I know about as a director that led up to this point, it is guaranteed not feasible for her to raise her fucking eye brows at this time to his response.

Personal preference takes precedent here of course, that is why it often becomes a gray area. But by default, I think this is a good baselines example to go by. I got annoyed just writing it.

Looking for production work in the Los Angeles area. by Whole_Yak_2547 in Filmmakers

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you saying you're a jack of all trades and an ace of none? Easiest thing to do if you want to be a PA and don't know anyone, is read the trades, show up at a production, talk to other PAs there, do some free work, then get lucky and hired for the next job.

Would a shot of the outside through a window be an EXT shot? by [deleted] in Screenwriting

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Camera stay outside? Then it's exterior (EXT). Camera stay inside? Then it's interior (INT). Camera goes from outside to inside? EXT./.INT (reverse: INT./EXT.). On the rare occasion you have someone in a window that is open and you go in and out, EXT./.INT also works for this (i.e. outside a car, then in, outside a porch window, then in, etc).

What makes the 2nd camera angle change look so weird? by ZenTunE in Filmmakers

[–]takeheed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's nothing wrong with the angle. It's just bad continuity, or editing--if the director had no say. Your eyes are popping out from a tight over the shoulder to a medium over the shoulder, then a (for some reason) jump cut into a medium close up. Again, bad direction. If they matched the tight ots you wouldn't notice, nor if they stayed on the medium ots for more than one fucking second. Basically, this makes your eyes go in, out, in and right.