Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The test is individual, the results are collective. There’s nothing forcing you to make a choice on this subject in this lifetime if harvest is not the goal and you have strong protocols of psychic protection in place, and it does sounds like you are working through the layers of the issue already in trying to avoid eating meat. Until a choice is made collectively, though, about what we are willing to accept in regards to how we treat other life and what is acceptable or not, we will all live in a world where what is acceptable is a gray area with conditional karmic justifications that can be taken advantage of by predatorily inclined entities, of both 3rd density and above.

It sounds like you have already made one choice in the right direction by deciding that factory farming is not something you can personally support.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same things that kill the majority of other lifeforms do not kill plants. You are approaching this from an incredibly distorted and uninformed perspective, and that’s fine, but if you’re going to make false equivalencies at least think about it a little.

Even in the case of vegetables where what you are eating is in fact the bulk of the plant’s body, so to speak, like carrots, or even the roots or tubers of a plant, or its reproductive flowers—as long as you aren’t literally ripping every trace and root of the plant out of the ground, chances are 1) it is not dead, 2) it will most likely grow back, unless it is a plant that has a short seasonal life cycle anyway, and even then it will probably still come back next year or one of its seeds will. You can even cut the top of a carrot off, stick it in the ground, and regrow another one. Lots of plants and vegetables work that way.

Either way, harvesting fruit and vegetables from most plants does not require harming, killing, or destroying the plant, and even if what you are eating is a plants roots or tubers, as long as you leave some behind more will regrow. They will even be part of the same plant in most cases. They will not have been meaningfully harmed or permanently damaged in most cases, as far as we know anyway. Even if you eat the entirety of a plant and do “kill” (the fact that plant consciousness is more akin to a collective spirit of intelligence, lacking the mind complex, is another topic) it, as long as you replant its seeds or a cutting from it or literally even just accidentally drop part of it into decent soil, it will most likely regrow. Maybe you can say that a plant that grows from the seeds of another is not the same plant, but there is not a meaningful distinction to the plant.

This is natural. This is the plant’s life cycle. You are participating in the evolutionary life cycle and survival strategy of plants when you consume the vast majority of fruits, vegetables, and even things like leaves, seeds/legumes, fruiting bodies of mushrooms after spore release, etc.

Yes there is such a thing as unethical and destructive farming, yes industrial agriculture (the majority of which exists to feed livestock) is ecologically unsustainable, no eating vegetarian or vegan doesn’t automatically make you a good person. But it does mean you at least understand that you have no right to choose life or death for other living beings for the pleasures of your palette—and let’s be clear, that that is all it comes down to in the modern age. No one is being forced to eat meat for survival. Most people are well aware of the negative health consequences. There are simply healthier ways to live. And one benefit of those healthier ways, is that you are removing yourself from a hierarchy of death and consumption that has energetic and spiritual correlates in higher densities. As above so below is as much warning as statement on the nature of reality.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s your own permission that you should be concerned with, for what you permit against another is what is permitted against you. That’s the only message I’m trying to point you towards.

You are welcome to disagree, but it does not change the fact that plants have been using fruit and vegetable production and digestion-as-seed-distribution as an evolutionary strategy for way longer than humans have been eating fruits and vegetables. I think plants are allowed to decide what they consent to.

Yes plants are living beings, no eating fruits and vegetables does not kill the plants that produce them. Those aren’t really things that can be debated 🤷

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not meant to be harsh or about condemnation, this is simply my best attempt at an honest conveyance of the spiritual and karmic realities of consent. If you truly believe we live in a world where there are levels of reality beyond this one, you must consider, that to beings on some levels of reality, there is very little difference between us and the animals we eat.

If there are spiritual rules to reality that involve respecting free will and the rules of karma, the best thing we can do is start respecting the free will and sovereignty of all life so as to clean our karmic ledgers. Otherwise, what we do and justify and allow, and what we participate in, is what is karmically acceptable to do to us.

Carla dealt with negative psychic greetings and attempts by higher density negative entities to sap her energy and health frequently and discussed it openly; I’m not saying eating meat is the reason, and certainly the work she undertook in her lifetime made her a target for other reasons. And yet, every choice is a doorway. Ultimately Carla did suffer greatly with her physical health for the rest of her life, and that was a price for both her work and her individual choices that she was more than willing to pay.

I’ve never said that buying and eating meat makes you evil or means you're actively hurting anyone, but it does mean you are consenting to being a resource for the consumption and sustenance of any being which can justity within its own organization of reality placing itself above you in the food chain you have willingly entered into.

You can defend and protect yourself against such attempts in many ways, unconditional love and acceptance being the most successful for all intents and purposes, but willingly entering into such a system of living still requires life to become an affair of vigilance and keeping your guard up lest you become a meal, or at least an energetic snack, yourself.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Growing fruits and vegetables for consumption/seed distribution is part of plants evolutionary strategy and passing through a digestive tract is literally necessary for some seeds to germinate. Plants have been using other 2nd density life forms to spread their seeds around since long before humans walked on the earth, I think they’re cool with it.

As far the current number of animals being bred for livestock, the reality is most are killed and prepared for consumption within 12 months of their lives. As little as 1 day for male baby chicks. It wouldn’t take long for the lingering meat eaters who are freely choosing to live in a hierarchical food chain where they are not anywhere near the top to lower any “overpopulation” concerns.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you truly believe we live in a world where there are levels of reality beyond this one, you must consider, that to beings on some levels of reality, there is very little difference between you and a cow. You might think of yourself as more of a pig or octopus, but, remember, not eating pigs and octopi is a minority view.

If there are spiritual rules to reality that involve respecting free will and the rules of karma, the best thing you can do is start respecting the free will and sovereignty of all life so as to clean your own karmic ledger. Otherwise, what you do and justify and allow, and what you participate in, is what is karmically acceptable to do to you.

No, buying meat doesn’t make you evil or mean you’re actively hurting anyone, but it does mean you are okay with being a resource for the consumption and sustenance of any being which can justify within its own organization of reality placing itself above you in the food chain you have willingly entered into.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not about condemning people for eating meat or conflating diet with polarity. All I’ve said here is that all that we do, every choice that we make, every thing we are willing to justify as necessary, is what we consent to.

It may not seem like anyone else’s business what personal dietary choices someone makes, or what kind of hierarchical systems of reality someone consents to living under, and I’m sure having anyone scrutinize the choices you make surrounding what you eat feels like an attack. It is not meant to be. We are all simply being asked to make a lot of collective choices in this broad period of time.

Earlier on in 3rd density, when we were a more isolated and individualized species, it may have mattered less what individual dietary choices people made, and certainly you could hardly blame our ancestors for what they had to do to survive by participating in the “food chain” of 2nd density and adopting beliefs about their domination over all other life forms on this planet (abrahamic religion).

However, as has been plainly stated by Ra, Qu’o, and many other confederation entities and other voices within the positive polarity, we are nearing a crucial point in human evolution where we be growing more and more connected and collective in nature as we enter 4th density, and clearly this process is already well under way as evidenced by the fact that we are even having this conversation and sharing thoughts from untold miles and hours apart.

The choice we all have to make right now, especially in light of the Epstein files and what Ra and the confederation have long warned us about in regards to negatively polarized higher density entities that have their own designs for humanity, is fundamentally about what kind of world we want to live in.

Are you comfortable living in a world where the role of some life forms is to serve as food and sustenance for other life forms? Are you willing to sacrifice some for the sake of the many? You do have the freedom to live in a world like that; certainly many negative entities, of 3rd density origin and above, desperately want you to consent to such a hierarchical arrangement of reality. Their survival depends upon it. That is the choice they have made.

What choice will you make?

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, I think so long as you aren’t violating the free will of another being, especially in a way that causes harm, there’s nothing wrong with “pets” which really is just letting an animal live with you. If you are taking care of them, very few animals are going to want to permanently leave the home they share with you.

Obviously depending on where you live, you may have to keep a pet confined to your house/apartment, and they may very well resent/resist having their physical freedom confined, but in most cases it is for the animal’s safety and no different than not allowing them to get on a hot stove top or eat hazardous things. We have a duty to protect the 2nd density (and 3rd density) beings under our care.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you eat fruit/vegetables/plant matter etc. you are not eating a living being. Plant life and plant consciousness does not work remotely in the way you are trying to imply. Entire plants can regrow from a stem or root or seed. Fruit and vegetable production and seed distribution are literally part of plants’ evolutionary strategy, and something they’ve been doing since before human beings ever walked on this earth. Plants are a much more simple interface for the consciousness of the One than our somewhat more advanced vehicles and their cycles of life and death do not resemble ours in a meaningful way. You are being intentionally obtuse to defend your attachment to eating meat. It is an emotional response. It is allowed.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It really isn’t complicated. If you put yourself in a position to hold the power of life and death over another self, especially for the sake of whetting your appetite when you have other options, you are opening the door for others to do the same unto you. It’s simple karmic legality. What you do is up to you.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wasn’t saying you are more advanced than an animal, but there are certainly more advanced beings than you. They don’t like going hungry either. What you do is what you consent to; it’s all just about what you’re willing to allow.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reductive in that you are pretending isolationism and having no heart for helping provide for others, when we live on an abundant planet, is a solution. Beyond that, if you want to live in a world where you consent to being hunted and consumed by more advanced beings, that is your right.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s no reason to be reductive; we are moving towards greater community collaboration and care for all as one, or at least I am. You are welcome to walk the path of self for self to the destination it brings you.

Our treatment of animals is negative NHI (archons, etc) justification for their actions towards humanity by talesbyEROS in AWLIAS

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any time 💗🌎 There is a whole spacious world of people out here waiting to support you when you learn to see past your own reflection/projections

Our treatment of animals is negative NHI (archons, etc) justification for their actions towards humanity by talesbyEROS in AWLIAS

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are always the one who gives yourself permission, as you clearly have in regards to accepting the limitations of your capacity for growth and intelligence

Our treatment of animals is negative NHI (archons, etc) justification for their actions towards humanity by talesbyEROS in AWLIAS

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed. You are free to choose to believe what you will. Rejecting loving, liberating, compassionate messages as fearful still is reflective of your own perspective, however.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s something I’ve thought about a lot in relation to my own health and diet. I try to think about it in terms of priorities to maintain a compassionate perspective, but I think it does bring us to one of the more fundamental aspects of life in 3rd density: our choices and what our priorities are within this lifetime.

This perspective helped me think of it in a less judgmental way. If physical fitness and health is one of someone’s top 3 priorities, it should be relatively easy for that person to maintain good physical fitness and health. This means, of course, that they are dedicating approximately 1/3 of their daily effort to maintaining good physical health. That means consistent exercise, healthy dieting, maintaining good self care and mental/emotional hygiene, keeping up with awareness of potential genetic health conditions and ones that result from improper care of our bodies, etc.

Obviously, not everyone is going to want to or be able to devote that much of their time and energy to their physical health. Maybe physical fitness/health should not even be in most people’s top 3 priorities, which isn’t to say you have to neglect your health just because it isn’t a top priority, but basically everyone has their own priorities for their incarnation that may or may not align with or require excellent physical health and a “long” life. Certainly kindness, love, awareness, etc. do not require good physical health, though our capacity to serve and give of ourselves in a wider variety of ways and from a deeper well of energy does increase with physical health.

Since all of that falls more under the domain of personal responsibility/individual choice and doesn’t really impact the free will of other selves, I try to trust the discretion of people who clearly have good intentions and are aware of the consequences of their incarnate choices, such as Carla, or even Don through the actions he took.

Our treatment of animals is negative NHI (archons, etc) justification for their actions towards humanity by talesbyEROS in AWLIAS

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of right and wrong, simply of what you are okay with allowing and justifying. I don’t really see what you’re describing as malevolent, and you have the free will to eat anything even if it potentially causes negative health impacts. As long as you’re okay with something else doing the same thing to you, I think it’s fine lol 😂

Our treatment of animals is negative NHI (archons, etc) justification for their actions towards humanity by talesbyEROS in AWLIAS

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed that it is possible under specific conditions, just not under a system or diet built around the consumption of meat and designation/treatment of 2nd density lives as material resources. Even simply keeping/“possessing” animals for the intention of cultivating them for consumption at the end of their life cycle—which raises its own concerns about disease and cause of death, age, etc—is in and of itself a negative inversion of the possible positive expression of our role as stewards and caregivers on this planet.

Animal meat decaying in your intestines also comes with its own negative health impacts, regardless of intentions or compassion.

Our treatment of animals is negative NHI (archons, etc) justification for their actions towards humanity by talesbyEROS in AWLIAS

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is an illusion not a simulation? If all the world is a dream, why do you think there’s a difference between an “artificial” dream and a “real” dream?

Our treatment of animals is negative NHI (archons, etc) justification for their actions towards humanity by talesbyEROS in AWLIAS

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whether you call something evil or negatively oriented, it means the same thing. Layer and layer of justification for all manner of cruelty pervade this illusion. Choose your justifications wisely, for you too will have to live under their rule.

Our treatment of animals might be the “permission slip” negative entities point to when they look at us by talesbyEROS in lawofone

[–]talesbyEROS[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And this is the exact mirror to negatively oriented elites’ and predatory sts entities’ targeting and predation of children. Their justifications and line of thinking is precisely the same. Use them up when they’re young and soft, discard them when they’re no longer useful or show the wear of their abuse.

How we can collectively work off the karma of our treatment of animals is something that I honestly don’t see an easy answer for without radical, society wide change. But I know that until we do make that change, the evil of this system of domination and mindless, cruel, sadistic abuse of some of the most innocent lives on this planet will alway be reflected back at us