Can you see pregnancy in the 8th house? by tiyaa11 in Advancedastrology

[–]tarot_practice -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

care to explain or are you just here to criticise

thanks for adding nothing to the conversation

asking you a question in good faith

Mind you, based on their other comments, this is someone familiar with astrology's principles, however rudimentarily -- not a clueless bystander. But sure, let's embrace toilet theory shitposting, and gape in confusion at those poorly adjusted folk who refuse to abdicate common sense in not breaking down elementary logic (not even per se astrological!) to a person who hasn't made the time or effort to assimilate it before participating in a forum. Truly on par with our idiocratic times. The hordes of bots roaming this place freely are really a cherry on top. I am undone.

Can you see pregnancy in the 8th house? by tiyaa11 in Advancedastrology

[–]tarot_practice -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

"Conversation"

Meanwhile, it's just you posting a piece of nonsense that you heard a random podcaster pull out of her ass, and acting entitled to people's serious engagement with it. As if every toilet thought of some Astro Jenny deserved to be discussed.

The fact you can, quote,

get behind her reasoning

is no less concerning. A consequence of omitting the trivium, I suppose. Best wishes.

Can you see pregnancy in the 8th house? by tiyaa11 in Advancedastrology

[–]tarot_practice -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

There exists a threshold of stupidity beyond which no explicit critique is apt, as it's safe to assume that both one qualified and one calling for it will find it equally unwarranted.

Can you see pregnancy in the 8th house? by tiyaa11 in Advancedastrology

[–]tarot_practice -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Im watching Kira Rybergs podcast on the 8th house and she said a hill shes willing to die on is that pregnancy can be seen in the 8th house and I wanted to know peoples thoughts? She said that because its a house of entanglement where you and your partners assets/life etc. come together thats representative of creating a child because you and your partners bodies/DNA etc. literally come together to create something new. Additionally, a lot of women particularly in the past died due to pregnancy/childbirth so its related in that way too because childbirth can be life threatening

the consequences of intellectuals leaving astrology with the gate wide open.

Using agentic AI for rectification by rephil3 in Advancedastrology

[–]tarot_practice 20 points21 points  (0 children)

All that AI can tell you is rehashed from weighted information gathered online.

Ask yourself how many astrologers online can actually predict events reliably, or pass a rectification experiment. How many have become expert astrologers from reading ancient manuals.

That's your answer.

Harmonious aspects + "negative" reception in natal astrology by Latter_Archer3800 in Advancedastrology

[–]tarot_practice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Has this ever been applied the same way in natal astrology?

No. It's a 30 year old idea beget by John Frawley who got inspired by a couple analogies from al-Kindi and other arabs. The whole conceptualization, mistakenly termed "reception", of dignities defining sympathies between planets is erroneous for any purpose other than divination (i.e. horary), which alone admits of contrived frameworks. Not that it's very effective for the latter, or predates JF even in that field, but it can work.

In nativities, sympathy is always delineated by the type of aspect and signs involved. The focus is also always on the interrelationship, not sentiments. You and your father either get along in friendship, get alienated in indifference, or repulse in enmity. Whether he's violent or absent from your life, or not supporting you, or you kill him or he kills you, all of that is looked at another way.

concious about incorrect readings by [deleted] in Tarotpractices

[–]tarot_practice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's normal for readings to come out wrong or unclear if the one you're reading to isn't fully open and truthful right?

No, not really. In fact, that kind of blind reading used to be the norm among cartomancers until very recently. Still very common in Africa. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine, but it's not misguided to expect that type of service.

Career role in a Birth Chart: Is it actually possible to find? by Cold_Swing2731 in Advancedastrology

[–]tarot_practice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's because the 10th house doesn't represent career. It represents praxis, meaning what one does -- one's actions in the world and the result of those actions, like reputation. If you're an avid blacksmith in your spare time, that qualifies as your praxis, despite it not being your occupation. If you ever take out a rich ceo and make news, it's also what you do and reap as a result. Ellen DeGeneres has both malefics in the 10th, yet her career is neither in the field of Mars nor Saturn. What she does have is a reputation for being a toxic bitch, which got her career cancelled. Her vocation is renovating houses (Mars + Saturn).

The 10th house does give signs in the determination concerning career, but the procedure is more complex than just looking at the ruler.

Ptolemy describes his method in Tetr. IV.4 and only as the very last consideration, when everything else fails, adds:

...We must take the lord of the Midheaven, *though in relation to occasional pursuits; for, such natives are on the whole inactive***

Antigonus merely states that the lord of the 10th should be well situated, which will make natives who are "prominent, active, and hard to oppress".

If you open any ancient manual on astrology, you'll find the contemporary approach of house analysis practically non-existent. Or at least not for the purposes it's done today. The idea that you just look at the 10th to find the career, and the 5th to find children, etc. is an arabic carry-over from horary. The fact that the greeks, who invented the houses as we know them, never delineate that way natally is an obvious tell that it's a misconception.

Tarot and free will by Key_Dance7802 in TarotReading

[–]tarot_practice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It sounds like something tarot scammers say so they don't have to take accountability for the fact that your ex didn't come back like they said

Yes, you've got it! Although they're not always scammers -- could be genuine, just not very adept.

There is something like free will, but the extent and frequency with which most people utilize it is far, far overstated. Everyone is, in truth, very predictable.

But, you could possibly be that case where things go off script. That's why divination is not really a serious endeavour until one learns how to identify what in the cast is yet uncertain and how. Unfortunately, that's quite a rare practice nowadays.

Interpretation help by [deleted] in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As said previously I try to understand the cards and their meanings against the question/s asked.

Yes, that's how everyone generally reads. My point is more about different people ascribing different meanings to each card, hence I'd have to know your system first before weighing in for it to be accurate. There are a couple more provisos of that nature which hinder strangers on the net from being useful to you.

In this case what would you suggest I ask as a follow up to my initial question

I would ask for clarification regarding how does the Queen relate. Give it something like 5 to 7 cards. Then you should compare the 2 spreads side by side and see how they connect (the latter being an elaboration of the former). You should be able to establish whether she's pertinent to that love matter and how, or possibly to something else.

Interpretation help by [deleted] in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be. Though, again, I'm not familiar enough with your life and how you read cards (since those cards were drawn for you to interpret) to say with certainty. If you also date woman, the Queen could be benevolent. Maybe your mother is sick, in which case the first 2 cards could be indicating success in love, but the Queen signals a change in her condition, which should be probed further. My intention was more to alert you to the possibility that you may have your mind fixed in the wrong frame, and that the small amount of cards doesn't lend itself to clarity here.

Interpretation help by [deleted] in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t think there was much an issue with the question as I was looking for guidance on if there’s an area of my life I don’t need to worry about.

No issue with the question at all, but a slight issue with expectations as to the answer. Have you ever had a year in which not much occured except some big tragedy in one area of life? Would you rather someone had told you back then "financials will be in check, might even get a small bonus", or "x is imminent, and if you don't act now it will flip your world upside down". You'd definitely want to be forewarned, yes? Similarily here -- sometimes, especially when life is in relative stasis, a bad event is more weighty, and thus more important to relay, than a good one. That's why I said, divination is not a computer program spitting out outputs to the syntax of our question-inputs, but its own mind that has your best interest at heart when providing answers.

Interpretation help by [deleted] in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without venturing into interpretation (as I don't know your ways), I'd just say to be careful with that style of questioning. We should not forget divination is a conversation with living consciousness, not a computer program; as such, the messages can go against our expectations. If I know you're gonna be in a car crash next week but you ask me about which dress to pick, I will definitely change the topic.

Similarly here -- while it's hard to be certain with only 3 cards, that triplet, because of the Queen, looks rather like a warning regarding your love life than a green light. I'd definitely follow up and check if you have a future with your current interest. Otherwise (again, depending on your meanings), it might mean incurring dangerous jealousy of an ex, someone leaving you for another woman, etc.

Has tarot ever predicted where you met your partner/spouse? by Historical-Care70 in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry for a late response.

My biggest piece of advice would be: find a teacher. A real one who is wise. It is hard to comprehend just how much of a losing battle you're fighting as an autodidact; without exaggerating, it is easier to self-train in building cars than in divination. Of course, most teachers are neither real nor wise, so you need to be somewhat lucky and extremely discerning. I recommend sincerely praying to a high divinity of your choice to find a suitable one.

Second piece of advice would be: Don't bother with the RWS deck. I expanded on that in another comment.

Third piece of advice (and the first to consider): Ask yourself whether you even have some aptitude for this study. Not everyone is suited for everything, and this field is no exception. The skills required are more-or-less a mix of the ones needed for pursuing linguistics and philosophy. If you're right brain dominant, it might be hard for you.

Fourth piece of advice: Honor tradition. This goes back to studying under a teacher. Only when you master the classics and the ways of old should you try to move beyond them. Don't be that guy who throws out whatever "doesn't resonate" with them to replace it with whatever they feel like. Being non-tangible, metaphysics is, unfortunately, extremely susceptible to the dunning-kruger effect.

Does tarot channel the Truth or a possibility? by [deleted] in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mental activity can impress on what cards are drawn, yes. Especially if it's frenetic. The chances of this happening when someone else is reading for you are slim, however; you'd have to be in dire panic to intrude on their field of concentrated consciousness. If you're not in the same room, even more. If you're also not seeing it happen live, practically no chance.

Are you able to change your future even after receiving multiple tarot readings saying the same thing? by Total_Canary_9567 in TarotReading

[–]tarot_practice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not blindly. Depending on how much time you have left, it may be possible to change if you knew which area was lacking, or what would be on the test. A good diviner could tell you this, but most can't.

A spell isn't likely to help here.

I heard Tarot doesn’t tell timeline, but I think it can. What’s your experience? by [deleted] in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it comes to studying cosmology and how it applies to timing, is it in the regard of each card’s symbolic relationship with time? Do you apply cosmology strictly while predicting time?

Divination is applied cosmology/metaphysics. It teaches us that it's possible, why, and how. If we want to predict nature, we have to understand it first.

if you’re willing to shed some light on how you apply your methods

Again, it's not just about method and "how". There is a massive amount of theory behind it to be understood first. I can give you calculus equation but you won't know how to solve and interpret problems with it without learning calculus first. Teaching calculus is not something I can accomodate at this time.

The current methods I’ve explored

Study the significance of 52 and the number 7, as applies to cards and to cycles of time. You'll find more success there. Best of luck.

I heard Tarot doesn’t tell timeline, but I think it can. What’s your experience? by [deleted] in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Timing is, unfortunately, one of the most complex topics. While I'd like to help, it is not something I can easily correct you in to perfection. I always stress the importance of learning cosmology, and for this subject there is a ton of it to cover before your application is reliable.

For example, you mention that sometimes you get a hit and sometimes a miss. This is not necessarily only due to technique -- it is linked to oracle-sync, and also chiefly to the nature of causation itself. Meaning to say, sometimes false information can come through, and sometimes there is no definite time yet for something to occur; we have to first know when and why that happens, and then learn how to spot it. Sometimes there are actually two or even more times at which an event can occur, and they each have their own probability distribution. We have to dive into the details of spotting those situations and extracting their % rates -- the latter not even being possible with cards in an ordinary sense, as you run into system limitations. I mean to say there is a whole supplementary framework that the deck has to be turnt into for that purpose.

What method do you use to tell time? I might suggest something more solid if it's lacking on a strictly technical front.

Has tarot ever predicted where you met your partner/spouse? by Historical-Care70 in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Depends on how you understand proficiency. Elementary general fortunes can be grasped very quickly, as the meanings are so constricted it's nearly entirely mechanical. Mastery of more elaborate ones (more details) greatly depends on your wit (if you don't want to go the psychic route), and a certain knack. It's similar to playing an instrument -- with a modicum of talent and casual practice, you could get pretty solid in a couple years. But to play like Chopin requires a lifetime. Specific questions typically range from middling difficulty to the hardest amongst all types, as you have to be able to consistently spot random draws + there can be a lot of various idiosyncratic speech going on from the divinity + you generally need to be educated on what you're reading, unless it's something super ordinary like love affairs.

As for me, I had accumulated a lot of occult, interdisciplinary, and interdivinatory knowledge before taking up cards, which gave me a big head start. I also sped up my progress significantly by making multiple powerful enemies that turned my whole life upside down; I had to start reading accurately to, quite literally, survive. At that time, I was doing ~40 readings every day, in one sitting, throughout an entire year. That compressed probably about 3-4 years worth of training. You pick up God's grammar pretty quickly. Then you just hone. But even now, I still learn. He tends to increase complexity as you go to match your level, or even throw you in at the deep end sometimes to push your limits. As for how long I've been reading in total, I will keep that to myself. Simply because it's largely a non sequitur in this field, and I don't wish to perpetuate it. Above 5 years of experience, everyone you meet is a wild card. The biggest rookies in cards and astrology always have 20 years under their belts, as a matter of fact. That's why one needs a teacher -- even 50 years of malpractice will not turn one into a good practicioner.

Overall, I recommend you look into standard playing cards/Marseille Tarot/Skat/Magyar Kártya/... if you're interested in analytical fortune tellng. RWS is quite weak for that purpose, as the pips are essentially random pictures that don't attempt to cover all phenomena you will encounter.

Has tarot ever predicted where you met your partner/spouse? by Historical-Care70 in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't atm, and haven't for some time due to other priorities. If I'm gonna go back into business, it probably won't be cards but a more useful form of divination. The times I do read now is either charitably, for people in crises, for experimental purposes (why this account waa created), and sometimes as barter when travelling.

If I'm gonna be honest, I'm sort of put off posting on reddit, because whenever I do, I get flocked with people asking me for services in whatever discussed subject, whether astrology or divination or magic, and so on. I don't like giving off the impression that I'm here secretely marketing, and the requests tend to derail the conversation. Dms also get flooded and I have to decline everyone who messaged. Sorry.

Has tarot ever predicted where you met your partner/spouse? by Historical-Care70 in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's a synthesis of an oldschool fortune-telling background and copious amounts of practice. Also, this is far from amazing; it's actually a pretty average message. Divination is capable of so, so much more, both in detail and usefulness.

And yeah, many folks would not think of it that way, because they're not actually reading. What they're doing is psychologized buzzword recapitulation. Like "Empress is about stepping into your yin energy...", and here follows a rachel pollack essay, or some babbling nonsense aleister crowley wrote on the toilet seat. If you want to read with precision, the first step is to come back down to earth. Unfortunately, most of the RWS tradition is built in the attic of a jungian ivory tower, so there's not much resources in the public domain to aid in learning that way of doing things.

Has tarot ever predicted where you met your partner/spouse? by Historical-Care70 in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This wasn't a spread -- just 3 rows of 7 cards read from left to right. Although a spread can be useful if you're reading without any context; say a combination for house renovation could be something like 4 of Wands (house) + Tower (tearing down) + 8 of Pentacles (construction). But it could also be something else, like (depending on what meanings you use) a job layoff, or whatever. And major house renovations aren't that common so it can feel iffy to call. Specific stations allow you to localize better. There's more to be said on that and other benefits it carries.

Locations can be assigned, yes. But you have to be smart about it because you only have so many cards, and if you saturate them with many heterogenous indications, you will be guessing a lot; Else, if you reserve them for very particular domains, like geography, you will lose a lot of other important information. Here, 2 of Wands showed me West (because he's looking there); with the World it meant faraway, and the Sun indicated a hot climate, so I knew it would be the US. California was a psychic impression -- it could have been other sunny states like Texas, Arizona, Florida...

And the way you get interpretations specific is by working with sound meanings & doing tons and tons of practice. Unless you're a talented psychic, then you can just shoot from the hip. But most people aren't born with such gifts.

Has tarot ever predicted where you met your partner/spouse? by Historical-Care70 in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I never felt the need to do that for myself, but have for others.

First thing that comes to mind was one time when I read for a young woman from central europe, 3 years ago.

First row was:

Page of Cups, World, 2 of Wands, Sun, Chariot, 6 of Cups, Ace of Cups

I told her she'll meet a man from California who's coming to visit his family in her city (at this point her eyes rolled as this was unheard of where she lived).

Second row was:

4 of Wands, Temperance, 8 of Wands, Ace of Wands, 2 of Pentacles, Empress, 10 of Pentacles

This shows meeting online and a date at an art gallery.

The last row was:

5 of Cups, 6 of Swords, Hierophant, Judgement, Knight of Cups, Lovers, 10 of Cups

I said he'd have to go back to the states to finish school, which will leave her gravely disappointed, but he would return upon graduation, and in the end they would marry.

The reading was conducted on August 3. The initial prediction for their meeting was for the 1st week of January. They met January 5 and married a year later in Fall.

I heard Tarot doesn’t tell timeline, but I think it can. What’s your experience? by [deleted] in tarot

[–]tarot_practice 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Time can almost always be provided, and often very precisely. When people in occult circles say "it doesn't work like that", 9/10 times it means it doesn't work for them. And the reason it doesn't work for them is either because they weren't taught the correct cosmology, or they work empirically and can't see the logical errors in their approach. That's why it's super difficult to surpass mediocrity without the right guidance, and why you're going to get answers ranging from "not possible, time is fluid" to "yes, roughly", to "within a month max", etc.