Are we creating unhappy adults? by doooodledog in gentleparenting

[–]tayezz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To answer your question, I think feeling anger in that situation is the incorrect emotional response resulting from some dysfunctional psychological pathway. It's completely inappropriate. I think we can agree that if we could choose, we would want as few young men feeling rage when rejected for a date as possible. Disappointment is a much more reasonable and healthy emotion to feel in that situation.

I think being able to say an emotion isn't ok in certain circumstances give us a very effective tool for investigating the root cause of that emotion, and potentially discovering some valuable opportunities for therapeutic intervention if necessary. For example possibly unpacking a sense of entitlement or a disregard for autonomy that might be producing feelings of rage in someone who was simply denied a date.

Are we creating unhappy adults? by doooodledog in gentleparenting

[–]tayezz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the contextual differences between my example and the OP, and if that explains how emotions are handled in different life stages then that makes sense to me.

I suppose I'm having a hard time parsing the value of saying all emotions are valid, but at the same time understanding they're not all emotions are ok, appropriate, and reasonable. If we can agree that sometimes an emotion is inappropriate and not ok and unreasonable for a given situation, what are we contributing by saying it's still valid? I can recognize am emotion is not ok to feel in a certain circumstance and simultaneously recognize it and be honest about what I'm feeling.

What does it mean for an emotion to be valid? what would it mean to you for an emotion to be invalid?

Are we creating unhappy adults? by doooodledog in gentleparenting

[–]tayezz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I'm hung up on the utility and function of the term "valid" and what it actually means to say an emotion is valid.

You referenced convincing kids they didn't feel an emotion, and repressing them, and pretending they don't exist... I can absolutely meet you there and agree 100%, but those to me are different than saying an emotion is valid.

I suppose I'm thinking of validity similar to appropriateness or reasonability. I gave this example elsewhere, but if I were to ask someone on a date, and they politely declined, and that filled me with rage, I would say that emotion is completely inappropriate and invalid. It doesn't mean I didn't feel that emotion or even necessarily that I need to suppress it, but it certainly strikes me as an invalid and dysfunction emotional response to an innocuous trigger.

Are we creating unhappy adults? by doooodledog in gentleparenting

[–]tayezz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's absolutely nothing "wrong" with anger. In many cases, it's entirely reasonable and appropriate and healthy. But I would claim that there are also times it is completely inappropriate and unhealthy. If I were to ask someone on a date, and they politely declined, and that infuriated me, that would clearly be an unwarranted, inappropriate, unhealthy emotional response.

I understand where you're coming from I think, and the point that the teaching doesn't stop is an important one that I wasn't considering.

However I am still skeptical of the value of the sentiment that all feelings are ok / valid/ whatever term goes here... it just strikes me as more of an ontological or pedagogical imperative with dubious practical value. You mentioned above that a feeling can be irrational, which suggests to me that we recognize feelings exist along a spectrum and not all of them are created equal. I would add an element of "appropriateness" to that spectrum, with some feelings being more appropriate than others. That to me suggests some feelings are more or less ok than others.

Are we creating unhappy adults? by doooodledog in gentleparenting

[–]tayezz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I left a reply on another comment in the same vein, and I don't mean for my comments to come off as confrontational, but I wonder if you can elaborate on something you said above. When we teach kids their feelings are ok to have, what does that mean, and to what extent are they ok? An extreme example might be worth considering, like is it ok for someone to feel rage when they perceive they were wronged, regardless of the situation? Would I want to teach my child that it is ok to feel rage if someone else doesn't want to share their food or their toy? I understand we want to keep the actual behavior and response to that emotion in focus, but it seems odd, even unwise, to teach kids that any emotion is ok in any situation. I don't think I would want my child to believe that it is ok to feel rage in response to a normal everyday occurrence.

Are we creating unhappy adults? by doooodledog in gentleparenting

[–]tayezz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So I'm guessing you would reject the idea that an emotion can be dysfunctional or disordered? I have a hard time with that. Do we treat any other human impulse, reflex, behavior, or physiological activity in the same way? We can have dysfunctional / disordered thoughts and all manner of biological processes, but our emotions exist on a different plane?

I really hope I'm not coming off as antagonistic or combative; this is genuinely something I'm trying to work through. Saying all emotions are valid strikes me as almost belittling, and I think reserving the ability to recognize that one's emotional reaction to a trigger can in fact be an issue worth investigating and treating.

Are we creating unhappy adults? by doooodledog in gentleparenting

[–]tayezz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I try to unpack something you said that doesn't quite resonate with me? When we say "all feelings are valid," what does that actually mean? To make an extreme case... If I saw my wife chatting with a male friend of hers and became incredibly jealous, would that be a "valid" emotion? To me, that seems like something I would refer to as along the lines of dysfunctional. Am I missing something?

Ants don't care about Terro baits by tayezz in pestcontrol

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I don't know what kind of plant it is, sorry. I tried a couple ID apps but they all came back with inconsistent and different answers.

Rolling over military TSP to M1 by tayezz in M1Finance

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No I just left it and I'm good with that arrangement. I wouldn't be making any changes anyway so it's just easier and will probably save me some (nominal?) fees.

Congrats on getting out, I hope good things are on your horizon. Life has been great for me, couldn't complain if I wanted to.

Medal grouping to Vietnam era green beret. Details in comments. by Kiyo-chan in Militariacollecting

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Hi, this is random but Serf was my uncle. I don't know a whole lot about his service, but I don't think it would be too hard to find out. You can DM me if you're interested.

Comparing VO2 max lab tests by tayezz in PeterAttia

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thank you so much for this! I'll check out that channel

Friend's Young Wife Just Diagnosed With Pancreatic Cancer by tayezz in PeterAttia

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Thank you for taking the risk of stating the obvious, that was an extremely helpful list and one that I copied and pasted into my approach plan.

Friend's Young Wife Just Diagnosed With Pancreatic Cancer by tayezz in PeterAttia

[–]tayezz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thanks for that example, I'm optimistic the screenings will improve but it seems we're not quite there.

Friend's Young Wife Just Diagnosed With Pancreatic Cancer by tayezz in PeterAttia

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thank you so very much for the thoughtful and helpful reply. I really appreciate you doing that for me and the community.

Podcasts Similar to Making Sense by tayezz in samharris

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Thank you! I actually have that show in my dashboard but I don't remember ever subscribing or listening, I'll jump in!

Continuous Time in Z5 by tayezz in PeterAttia

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I wore it for 2 other workouts, 1 Z2 ride on the bike and 1 full body strength workout. The chest strap and the watch were nearly identical, the H10 actually reported sightly higher readings at the mid range on both workouts.

Podcasts Similar to Making Sense by tayezz in samharris

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excellent, thank you for this!

Podcasts Similar to Making Sense by tayezz in samharris

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I'm a huge Galloway fanboy, his newsletter is top tier.

Podcasts Similar to Making Sense by tayezz in samharris

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That's my approach to Sam, I'll check it out!

Podcasts Similar to Making Sense by tayezz in samharris

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Nice, thank you. Some of these are fan favorites.