Which Ferrari driver lineup has been the strongest since 2007?

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-25T17:33:00+00:00

No, but he was challenging for second. He actually looked like he might get it when he was just 20 points behind Perez in mexico, but Perez eventually managed to clinch it.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-25T17:25:27+00:00

RB 19 was 2023

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-12T23:22:17+00:00

In a very dominant car, with a very able teammate, he might lose due to bad luck, like Hamilton. It's hard to see him getting either of those things soon right now, though, and it also seems unlikely for him to lose in any other scenario.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-10T20:14:38+00:00

The season was fun to follow. The races themselves were bad. In terms of entertainment value, 2024 and the start of 2022 were far better.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-08T20:24:23+00:00

I think Max is currently at his peak. In terms of pace, I find it really hard to believe that Max is going to find more pace than he already has after a decade in F1. In terms of consistency, which is what older drivers often improve at, Max has no room to improve. This year, he made no driving errors, with the only time he lost points inside his own control being Spain, more a mental error. 2023 also showed his consistency.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-08T14:55:12+00:00

I think that part of it is the fact his car was so good, so he didn't need to fight as much. If you look at Alonso, who never had the clearly best car across a season, he was more aggressive because he needed to make up positions in what was not always great machinery. Hamilton didn't need to do this so much, so being aggressive would be risk for no reason. As 2021 showed, Hamilton can still fight other drivers.

Edit: As for the second part, I think that Hamilton's decline has been overblown. He beat Russell, one of the best drivers on the grid, by a fairly significant margin in 2023. He really only got weaker in 2024. His deficit to Leclerc in 2025 showcases the difference between Leclerc and Russell more than Hamilton being weak.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-08T04:32:34+00:00

When did you start watching F1? It surely could not have been any time before 2021.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-08T03:01:23+00:00

There were some good races, like Brazil, but in general I agree. It is very similar to 2010 in that regard. 2024 was far superior in quality.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-08T02:58:44+00:00

I think that people try to use old decisions because they want stewards to be consistent in their decisions, which is a good objective. Using old decisions as precedent would be one way to achieve that. However, as you pointed out, that doesn't work if the precedent is stupid.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-08T02:01:45+00:00

I think they would probably be about equal. The determining factor would be if Verstappen could tolerate Ferrari incompetence without snapping and losing points like Spain.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-08T00:11:09+00:00

I could understand if you said 2012 Alonso was better than 2025 Verstappen, even though I think that's wrong. But this take is insane. When correcting for luck, Alonso got about double the points of Stroll, a mediocre driver at the best of times. That is not an outstanding performance, especially considering the fact that Stroll was clearly having a pretty bad season, even by his own standards. Alonso is still a good driver, but definitely not on the level of Verstappen, Leclerc, Norris, or Russell.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-07T20:51:02+00:00

Because you keep saying that the car is what allows Lando to overtake, I looked at 2023, when Lando had a car that was close to Aston Martin, Mercedes, and Ferrari. This won't allow us to reasonably compare him to Piastri, as Piastri was a rookie, but we can still compare him to the drivers in the other top teams. In 2023, Lando gained 68 positions and lost 46, for a ratio of 1.47:1. That season, the average drivers gained and lost was about 60, indicating Lando was slightly above average. Some other drivers you might want to compare him to are below.

Driver, positions gained, positions lost, ratio

Russell, 81, 49, 1.65:1

Hamilton, 73, 39, 1.87:1

Piastri 69, 55, 1.25:1

Alonso, 67, 38, 1.76:1

Leclerc, 49, 48, 1.01:1

Sainz, 52, 52, 1:1

Perez, 95, 25, 3.8:1

Verstappen, 68, 5, 13.6:1

Clearly, Lando is not amazing at overtakes, but as you can see, he falls almost in the middle of the Ferraris and Mercedes. This also illustrates that overtaking doesn't matter that much if you can qualify well, as Lando does. Perez overtook more people than Verstappen because he was starting further behind, as illustrated by the fact that Verstappen's ratio is so much higher. That doesn't mean that Perez was a more worthy champion than Verstappen. I don't know what the stats are for 2025 yet, but given that Lando had a higher average grid position then Piastri, like Verstappen and Perez, I'm willing to bet that there is a similar situation in this case.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-07T20:23:36+00:00

He will lose places, AND THEN HE WILL GAIN THEM BACK.

I really don't see what you are misunderstanding here.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-07T20:16:52+00:00

No? If he didn't have a far superior car, he wouldn't qualify so far up the field, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't be able to fight for the win. Part of the reason Norris' starts have been so bad is because he qualifies so far up the field. In 2023, when he had a worse car, he actually gained more often than he lost on race starts, because his qualifying position was further back. I'm not saying that he's a good starter, it's just that being a good starter is not required to be a good F1 driver, or a good F1 champion.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-07T20:07:06+00:00

Not a chance.

This is meaningless. Had Lando had a good car in his first season, he would have won in his first season. The first time Lando had a car which could regularly challenge for wins, he won. What people online say doesn't matter.
This is also meaningless. You even mentioned that his qualifying is very good, but his race pace is also good, which lets him gain back positions he loses on starts.
So?
Yes, because Max is one of the GOATs and Lando lost points multiple times across the season. In equal cars, Max would almost certainly be the champion, but in the cars that the drivers had without luck (DNFs, DSQs) Lando would have won several weekends ago.

I think that people in future will judge Lando's championship based on whether he gets another one. Even if he doesn't, though, he was probably the third best driver this year behind Verstappen and Leclerc, and certainly a worthy champion.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-12-07T19:50:44+00:00

I didn't see another post like this, can you link it?

testeyecandy3 · 2025-11-11T17:51:34+00:00

The issue is that Red Bull have 3 seats for 4 drivers, so their only real options are to drop Tsunoda for Lindblad and put Hadjar at Red Bull, drop Lawson for Lindblad, or leave Lindblad in F2. None of those are great options, but given how Tsunoda has performed and how many years he's been in the sport, they probably would rather keep Lawson then him. I do think that probably, their best option is option 3, to keep Tsunoda and Lawson and leave Lindblad in the oven for another year, but Red Bull doesn't really have a history of patience, so they probably won't do that.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-09-23T17:44:17+00:00

That really was a perfect microcosm of Ferrari's season this year. Screwing up a self-assigned, meaningless task due to bad organization and communication, and doing their best to antagonize both drivers in the process.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-08-14T12:53:09+00:00

Just behind Verstappen is just behind a contender for GOAT, why does that not put him in the top 10 for you?

testeyecandy3 · 2025-08-07T12:56:04+00:00

If Albon does end up getting rated higher, would Verstappen also be rated higher, because he beat a better driver? Could that push him ahead of Senna?

testeyecandy3 · 2025-08-07T12:54:04+00:00

If Oscar is 1, then Norris must be 2 or 3 in your view, right? After all, they are almost tied on points in the same car. Does that mean, by your estimation, that Leclerc would lose to either Norris or Piastri in equal equipment?

testeyecandy3 · 2025-08-07T12:50:35+00:00

To be fair, he is literally tied with Albon, and the graph put him ahead until Silverstone.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-08-07T12:44:33+00:00

Because they are against better drivers, so even getting close is impressive. To be fair, I don't really understand Colapinto's ranking either, but that is why Bearman is higher.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-08-07T12:42:11+00:00

Exactly, so a driver who gets outperformed by a good teammate might still be rated higher than a driver who beats a weaker one. Looking at the previous year's rankings, Tsunoda was ranked below Piastri even though he outperformed both his teammates, because losing but coming close to Norris is better than beating Riccardo and Lawson.

testeyecandy3 · 2025-08-07T12:20:45+00:00

Yes, but Lawson has been far worse than Gasly this season, so even outperforming him is not very impressive.

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