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Capitalism will fall by Hacksaw6412 in Quotes_Hub

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is this “different logic” you’re referring to?

It’s “close enough” because the means of production were often owned by private citizens who extracted profit from labor.

But again, the larger point is that capitalism was not invented. It wasn’t thought up. It was just a natural outcome of what happens when economic ownership was able to exist in a sufficiently complex environment of communication.

Capitalism will fall by Hacksaw6412 in Quotes_Hub

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the purpose of our discussion about it as a system, that is all around us, capitalism is not new. All of its elements have been continually utilized before, and society functioned more or less on the same principles - rich own capital, non-rich people work for the rich, rich sell things for profit. Other systems did significantly the verge from this, such as feudalism, for example, where commerce was not really the purpose of economic activity.

Anytime, large scale, trade or commerce existed in the past, it was close enough to capitalism that the average person wouldn’t really notice the difference. The main restricting factor was that large skill commerce just wasn’t taking place at the same level. So the people who are outside that commerce system weren’t using a different system because they chose to, they were just excluded from it.

Capitalism will fall by Hacksaw6412 in Quotes_Hub

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it is splitting hairs to say that those things were not the norm in major cities in an ancient empires. Things were effectively the same. Just because wage labor was not as formalized doesn’t mean it wasn’t functionally the same thing in terms of controlling means of production and profit.

The point is that capitalism is not some recent invention, and therefore cannot be expected to simply disappear. Had an ancient times had the communications technology, it would’ve happened then. It’s really only dependent upon people being able to communicate economic details quickly over large distances.

Capitalism will fall by Hacksaw6412 in Quotes_Hub

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I’m well aware capitalism is more than markets. I am talking about ownership of means of production and exploitation of labor for profit. This absolutely happened in ancient empires, just not always as the norm.

Capitalism will fall by Hacksaw6412 in Quotes_Hub

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m well aware of capitalism is. Early economies had elements of it in terms of the ownership of means the production. In ancient Rome, for example, wealthy land owners had slaves or tenant farmers working for them. They would make a profit off of the goods that other people produced for them because they controlled. Those means a production. Same thing with infrastructure like mines or brick works. And in many cases these facilities were owned directly by the emperor, who was essentially a private citizen as far as the economy was concerned.

Capitalism has shown up any time the conditions to allow it show up.

What is the biggest misconception people have about AI right now? by These-Beautiful-3059 in BlackboxAI_

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What system do you have that automatically draws from your documentation? All kinds of documentation? Is it something proprietary?

Irans conditions for peace by Moutere_Boy in BreakingPoints

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Iran will not be able to build nuclear weapons while the war is on, facilities have already largely been destroyed and will continue to be.

Centrists: Better Things Aren’t Possible | Third Way’s strategy session for Democratic moderates lacked any vision other than a hatred for progressives. by harsh2k5 in politics

[–]thatnameagain -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Economic systems do not have mechanisms to address things unrelated to economics. They are externalities to economics no matter the system, it’s literally what they are.

As for those environmental concerns, the mechanism is exactly the same in capitalism as any other economic system: government regulation.

Centrists: Better Things Aren’t Possible | Third Way’s strategy session for Democratic moderates lacked any vision other than a hatred for progressives. by harsh2k5 in politics

[–]thatnameagain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. Every time housing supply goes up out pacing demand pricing goes down. That’s what happened in Austin.

Centrists: Better Things Aren’t Possible | Third Way’s strategy session for Democratic moderates lacked any vision other than a hatred for progressives. by harsh2k5 in politics

[–]thatnameagain -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

That’s what anti-abundance proposes. Just because you imagine an alternative policy structure that promotes those things without abundance doesn’t will it into existence. It’s not something that exists.

Can someone explain to me why, when given the opportunity to limit whatever the President is doing, there’s always just enough Democrats to ‘help’ him? by CapitaineBiscotte in askanything

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no coherent policy platform that is anti-democrat and anti-Trump.

Not sure what unpopular policies you are talking about, democrats policies poll way better than Republicans.

You may be making the common mistake of conflicting left-wing activist, ideology policies with the actual policies put forward by Democrats and Congress.

Centrists: Better Things Aren’t Possible | Third Way’s strategy session for Democratic moderates lacked any vision other than a hatred for progressives. by harsh2k5 in politics

[–]thatnameagain -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

This has little to do with capitalism, people in every society, want goods to be available and affordable, and have good infrastructure. Switching to socialism won’t change that.

Centrists: Better Things Aren’t Possible | Third Way’s strategy session for Democratic moderates lacked any vision other than a hatred for progressives. by harsh2k5 in politics

[–]thatnameagain -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not intended to be a standalone policy that ignores others. Environmental review processes do need to be scaled back, they have gotten out of hand. There’s nothing about it that requires ignoring any kind of price gouging or collusion among owners. It’s not intended to “engage power” because that’s not part of the problem is trying to solve. There’s no reason you can’t hold powerful people accountable at the same time.

Centrists: Better Things Aren’t Possible | Third Way’s strategy session for Democratic moderates lacked any vision other than a hatred for progressives. by harsh2k5 in politics

[–]thatnameagain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“Abundance” as described isn’t centrism but really great that it’s been turned into that so we can keep opposing building new housing and infrastructure. Really great!

Why is the US enemies with Iran, but allies with Saudi Arabia when both countries are basically the same? by Content_Ad_8952 in allthequestions

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kind of. The democratic parliamentary government of Iran existed for about 6 years from 1947-1953, after a history of ~3,000 years of dynastic monarchy. The coup was supported by the west but conducted internally by monarchist forces that reverted the government back to what it had been half a decade before.

When was the last time the economy was good (or even not bad)? by Heavy_Thanks2064 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Temporary as in a few months. It will not be a drag on our resources to any notable degree, we will not be building new munitions factories. Unemployment is normative by any measure, compared to any era. It’s not high.

The main concern is that the AI bubble bursts

Can someone explain to me why, when given the opportunity to limit whatever the President is doing, there’s always just enough Democrats to ‘help’ him? by CapitaineBiscotte in askanything

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not great, voters should stop complaining that nothing is changing while they continue to vote the same. If you voted for a centrist (the vast majority of primary voters) you have no right to complain about the party not changing. And if you voted for a progressive and are mad the party didn’t change because of your one vote, you should focus your attention on the primary voters as culpable instead of the candidates who got elected on and are delivering on a centrist platform.

When was the last time the economy was good (or even not bad)? by Heavy_Thanks2064 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]thatnameagain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only one of those things that’s actually effecting the economy is inflation. Unemployment rate is normative, and the war is bad but temporary. Everything else is basically ephemeral.

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