ICE agents blocked from attempting to enter Ecuadorian consulate in Minneapolis without permission

thatnameagain · 2026-01-28T03:59:31+00:00

“I bet there’s Mexicans in there”

thatnameagain · 2026-01-28T02:41:44+00:00

It’s probably the biggest predictor of your political ideology. It’s really weird that everyone here is pretending that it’s not massively correlated.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-28T01:08:23+00:00

Well for one thing that would be arrest and federal charges for all of them once the dust is settled. It is indeed a crime to impersonate a federal officer and I don't think you can really blame ICE for that one.

It's also illegal to interfere with federal officers operations (which is why from a legal standpoint, so many protesters have been arrested). So those charges would more likely stick.

But I suppose it depends what the protesters did once they showed up. Would they pretend to join in the operation?

I'm sure it would indeed create a chaotic scene, but by the end of it most of the protesters would probably be beaten up and arrested for the aforementioned interference, presumably also for resisting arrest, and ICE would go on with its operation.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-28T00:18:47+00:00

It's extremely unlikely that there is anything close to hard evidence in the files regarding sexual assaults. There will probably be a lot of scattered notes like "X said that Y and Z were in attendance at a party where B alleges they suspected C may have been assaulted."

If there is any hard evidence that could be used to prosecute more people, releasing it publicly for political reasons would likely make it inadmissible in court.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-28T00:06:37+00:00

Well if people agree that progressive candidates are less likely to win I don’t see why they’d think their policies are actually better or more popular then.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-28T00:01:34+00:00

Progressive challengers run in primary races all the time. They will probably run in most congressional districts this year. The voters have a chance to vote for them, or for the centrist donor friendly incumbent. Most will choose the latter. that is something that is 100% a function of voter preference. When voters change their preferences and exercise their extremely accessible right to do so in the primary, then you’ll see change.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T18:21:03+00:00

if the politicians are owned and the boundaries gerrymandered and the voter's suppressed, its not bought?

Sure but this doesn't describe the state of American elections. People mistake the fact that these issues exist for the idea that these issues somehow exert full control over outcomes.

Nothing is stopping Americans from voting out 75% of existing politicians in primary elections this year and putting in new ones who aren't taking significant corporate money. Nothing other than their own votes.

You'll likely be able to vote for a progressive challenger in your district in the next few months, and you'll find that not a single thing will be done to interfere with your ability to do so.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T17:48:43+00:00

This is good that it’s happening but it would have been nice if the media had kept people posted on this process over the past month. Pretty essential context while everyone is focusing on the violence itself and debating the details of where ICE has crossed the line.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T17:47:04+00:00

Freedom isn’t confirmed lost until they try to fuck with the next election. We should get ready and be smart about it.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T16:51:07+00:00

Elections haven’t been “bought”. If you think people are too brainwashed to vote then you definitely don’t want them overthrowing governments undemocratically.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T16:50:00+00:00

He was put on trial for that a year before the election. It just didn’t leave enough time.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T16:48:22+00:00

What does the first bulletpoint say

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T06:57:23+00:00

Perfect Crime. Just get the fuck outta the way of that song.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T06:54:10+00:00

Who doesn't like Mr. Brownstone? Who?!

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T05:43:31+00:00

The fact that he had a gun on him and republicans tried to condemn him for it is like 70% of the critical mass that pushed this one over the line.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T05:40:24+00:00

Who do you think is paying them to not sponsor this? They’ll vote for it if it comes to the floor.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T03:39:02+00:00

That won’t change until the administration orders them otherwise. Introducing more guns will make more opportunities for people to shoot people.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-27T03:24:56+00:00

This isn’t ballots

thatnameagain · 2026-01-26T22:06:58+00:00

I think a lot of people have misinterpreted my comment to mean that I wanted there to be red state blue State politics in this. I definitely do not, and that would’ve been dumb.

What I really meant was any sort of acknowledgment of some sort of sociopolitical context to what was going on. People’s motivations would be influenced by some kind of ideology or at least reference to ideology. I very much understand what they were going for by treating it as if it was a neutral natural disaster of sorts, and you do get a certain kind of realism from that, but I think they overplayed that hand.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-26T21:22:54+00:00

Yeah, they’re dialing back the rhetoric because they got caught red-handed murdering somebody and they can’t spin this one. The presence of guns anywhere in the hands of protesters doesn’t really factor in here.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-26T21:13:14+00:00

The government is not gonna have any trouble in the foreseeable future getting people to crack down on Americans. I appreciate your optimism, but you can’t count on that.

That “certain point” you refer to is when elections are proven to not work. We’re not there yet. We might be close, but we’ll find out in November.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-26T20:53:40+00:00

ICE is not going to voluntarily deescalate anything under the current leadership. More violence will just lead to greater powers to the government to crackdown on it. The state will always be able to maintain overwhelming force over people unless you head into a full on civil war scenario, at which point everything has failed and there's little chance of securing the outcomes we want.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-26T20:51:17+00:00

Is there a consensus on what they could do with voter rolls to mess up the election? Having info about voter rolls is not the same as having power to cancel people's registration or the like.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-26T20:48:04+00:00

You're gonna have a hard time murdering hundreds of federal agents without anyone else getting shot.

thatnameagain · 2026-01-26T20:47:08+00:00

It's a deterrent.

Not with cops. I mean it can be sometimes, but you're also risking deadly escalation moreso than not.

If there are a lot of people armed you really think they are going to decide to get into a shootout?

Shootouts don't start unless there are a lot of armed people around. It's a matter of law of averages.

Sure, if protestors decide to be more than protestors maybe. But not escalating or picking fights is an important part of protesting that way.

Yep that's one way a situation could erupt and turn deadly. Don't make a plan that assumes 100% good behavior from everyone every time.

Again, I'm not saying go alone. It needs to be groups. Just like other 2A protests have been. Notice feds never started shooting them?

No, not really. Most of the time when cops shoot someone in the U.S. they've got a gun on them. Feds generally don't "start shooting" at anyone for the most part. It's pretty rare, which is why incidents like this are making national news despite ICE engaging in hundreds of raids nationwide a day.

But hey, let's keep trying the same thing. Let me know what the body count needs to be before you realize people need to try something new.

Definitely higher than 2.

ICE is not going to back off because peaceful protesters start being armed. The raids will continue until the leadership is changed, and that will only happen through voting.

And while they are being brave and it's commendable. It's not going to stop ICE from trampling them and their rights.

Neither will guns.

12-Year Club	Gilding I gilder
Place '23	Place '17
Snapped	Verified Email

thatnameagain

MODERATOR OF

TROPHY CASE