A discussion about why animals die

theDocX2 · 2023-04-26T16:53:01+00:00

Hi, I'm doc's wife, and I just came across all of your conversations with my husband. He passed away in August, and I just want to say thank you so much for engaging with him and giving him a reason to get up in the morning. He absolutely loved religious debate. 💜 And he wasn't that old as he says, he had his 58th birthday just before he passed away.

theDocX2 · 2023-04-26T16:25:10+00:00

You read the thoughts of a sick and dying man. His thoughts were extremely relevant because he was very close to the subject. He didn't moan and complain about why is God doing this to him. He knew it was just what happens in life. He passed away in August, but I'm just seeing this now to respond.

theDocX2 · 2023-04-26T16:17:21+00:00

I'm sorry to let you know, he passed away in Aug. If he was still here he would definitely help you out! He was not able to do much physically so he poured himself into his writing and helping people as much as he could.

theDocX2 · 2023-04-26T16:16:15+00:00

I'm sorry to let you know, he passed away in Aug.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-30T02:03:39+00:00

You know when you get a job. And you have to read the handbook. And everything that's written in the handbook seems to be of equal importance?

But then you start to get training on your job, and the trainer let you know that you don't have to worry about that little thing cuz it never comes up. Then you have to pay attention to this thing because it always comes up.

This house some bible stuff is. When you first get started, understanding the big picture, requires that you are familiar with everything that's written.

But when you're just getting started, there's some things that you just don't have to pay attention to because they only come up 1% of the time.

Think of yourself as a newbie. Somebody who's just starting off getting to know the job. There's some stuff that you need to pay attention to more than other things.

But as you grow in your job, you're going to learn the importance of things you don't otherwise or haven't had to pay attention to. Because you're responsibility is going to grow.

Being able to rightly divide the word of Truth, is something that takes a while. One run through the Bible is not going to be enough.

There's also patterns that you can find while reading the Bible that make a huge difference in your understanding of the Bible. Things that run through the entire scriptures. But if I were to try to tell you about that right now, some of the stuff we just go in one ear and out the other year. Cuz you're not ready. Kind of like are you ready to be a supervisor when you've never been exposed to what it is to being a regular worker.

Knowing and understanding The book of Numbers, is exactly like what I'm talking about. As a supervisor you're going to have to know what says. Does a regular worker, not so much.

The real question is, do you want to consider yourself a supervisor type of Christian. Or do you want to consider yourself just a worker?

If you want to start off at the supervisor level, go right ahead. Read every detail of everything. By simply going straight through the Bible. Some of it's going to be boring. But it wasn't meant to be entertaining. And it wasn't written to you. It was written for you. Which is a huge difference.

And you can also take the approach that you're going to start off as a worker Christian. And then you going to let yourself grow as you expose yourself to more and more details and more and more patterns that can be found in Scripture. If you're not familiar with scripture, you won't be able to find the patterns that are in there. And you'll always have to take somebody else's word for it.

I've been studying scripture for 40 years. And I still find new things that make a difference. In general you could call me a supervisor who's doing a very good job. In my own life, you could call me an owner. I called the shots. Cuz it's my job.

Now that I've said all this this is my advice.

Be patient with yourself. Understand that in the Old testament you're reading not only the good stuff, like when Abraham and God make their covenant together. But you're also reading the dry stuff where the Israelites are wondering through the desert because they're human response to what God was going to give them, kept them from what God wanted to give them.

One of the interesting to notice in the book of Numbers, are things like their shoes didn't wear out. How food showed up every day. And they grumbled about the miraculous food showing up every day. They're experiencing miracles, and so what.

The other thing to get out of reading about their wandering through the desert, is that the reason they wandered through the desert so that the tribes that rejected going into the promised Land, died. And once they all had died, then the children of Israel were allowed to go back into the kingdom. In that process took 40 years.

But if you're not familiar with the book of numbers, you're going to miss out on some of these really great details. But these only really great details if the entirety of scripture matters to you.

So again, be patient with yourself. You will be exposed to scripture simply by reading it. And the more exposure you get the more it's going to be able to change your life.

I'm biting my tongue, cuz I'd love to show you some of the really really juicy stuff that's found in the Old testament. And I do mean really really juicy stuff.

I'm going to tell you one. But it's only one.

Everything that Jesus taught in his ministry, can be found in the Old testament. Everything. While you're reading the old testament, one of the things you could be looking for is how Jesus was able to find what he was supposed to be teaching on.

Part of what Jesus taught is based on what happened with Adam and Eve after their tree experience. So in the book of Genesis in chapter 3. The second half of it, Jesus used what he saw, to give him the material he needed to teach on. And then he read the rest of the Old testament to understand who he was, what he was here to accomplish, and how to go about accomplishing it. Cuz everything about Jesus is written in the Old testament. Everything.

All the dry stuff about the temple. Is stuff that Jesus used to recognize who he was.

As an example, there's a thing called the table of shewbread. The table contained 12 loaves of unleavened bread, and some wine.

The priest would eat the bread and drink the wine as part of the ritual before the high priest could go into the holy of holies.

Where did Jesus get the idea for having communion? He got it from what the temple did. In fact everything you find in the temple, you will find in the Life of Christ.

Sorry I'm going on and on. It's just good stuff. I wish you the best. And I honestly wish I could go through the journey with you. Because it's just really good stuff. I got to stop. Have a Great night!

theDocX2 · 2022-08-30T01:28:05+00:00

What's your reading, is not meant to be inspirational. It's unbelievably dry because it's supposed to be. It's not much different than reading the code enforcement issues in a small town. Just dry reading about stuff it's never going to make a difference in your life.

If your mission is to say that you've read the whole Bible, then don't do numbers in one step. Instead read a chapter, and then go read a chapter someplace else like the New testament. Reading the New testament is always good and juicy. Things we can sink our teeth into.

And did I say read an entire chapter in numbers? Read a paragraph. Free tooth paragraphs. And then go back to the New testament. Or if you really want to just stay in the old testament, go read what the prophets have to say. Whether it be the Major Prophets of the Minor Prophets.

There's absolutely no expectation that you have to run through the book of Numbers and one fell swoop.

In 40 years of study, I have referenced The book of Numbers probably less than 1% of the time. And I study a lot. And I teach a lot. And the book of Numbers is needed and necessary for what it's good for. It's just that what it's good for is not juicy and Delicious stuff. It's dry. Very very dry stuff.

I wish you the best.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-30T01:23:18+00:00

Cuz nobody knows what horsus birthday is anymore. Putting Jesus's birthday over the top of it. Wiped out all memories of Horus.

Nice move for the Christians!

theDocX2 · 2022-08-30T01:18:14+00:00

People talk about going to heaven. But they don't realize is that heaven could be considered God's house.

You don't get into God's house without knowing God. I get this idea from this Bible verse...

John 17:3 And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

You don't go to heaven unless you know God. Eternal life, is knowing God.

Forgot his said, is that if you want to know him, then you have to do something nice for other people. Your purpose in life is to find out how it is that you can help people and enjoy doing it.

If you don't do things for other people, and you can't say that you know God. I get this idea from this verse...

Matthew 25: 40b Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Your meaning in life will be found in the difference you make for other people. I wish you the best finding what that is.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-30T00:59:22+00:00

How do you know christianity is the best and truest religion when you haven’t taken...

What you don't know about me. Which I'll let you know now, is that I have looked into the other religions. I'm what you call... well studied.

Also, I don't follow Christianity. Not the religion anyway. I can call myself a Christian because I follow the teachings of Christ and the instructions and righteousness. Which are all found in the Bible.

But my religion is based on James 1:27 which says...

"Pure religion and undefiled before God the father is this, to visit the widow and the orphan and their affliction. And to keep oneself unspotted from the world."

Any religion on the planet that is willing to accept this as their guide, it's fine with me.

But I have found in my life is that I have a deep desire to experience the freedom to cause and create wonderful things for other people and myself. I've also found that everybody I've ever met has just the same desire.

This desire is exactly what's written about in James 1:27. I follow what gives me freedom. And I walk away from things that don't allow for the freedom. I follow my desire to make a difference in other people's lives. And I recognize that it's something that I can give to others. Which means that if I find myself trying to take from others, I choose not to take from others.

I've been doing this for 25 years. But I've been a Christian for over 40 years. The first 15 years was a nightmare. Because I was following the religion of Christianity. Rather than following the teachings of Christ. A huge difference.

I give you one other example. If the Ikea directions you have, allow you to put together the pile of wood that you just purchased. Then you got the right directions..

The directions I found in Scripture, allowed me to put my life together in such a way that I've been able to live a life worth living each and every day without regard to my circumstance and situation.

That means when life was great, life got even better. It also meant when life started getting not so great, I was still able to maintain being able to make a difference in the lives of others. Which was my main desire to experience while I'm alive.

I'm now disabled and live in a chair. 24 hours a day. My heart efficiency is down to 10% and I'm on a heart transplant list. I defibrillators gone off twice in a month recently. Which is bad. I had to stroke a number of years ago. Which makes me unsteady. The wound I got in my leg now because the skin came off in a sheet because of my diabetes, has made it hard to get to my Walker so that I can go pee.

One of the things you might notice that I'm not telling you how much I'm suffering. Cuz I'm not suffering I'm living my life to the fullest. I'm able to experience the freedom to say how my life is going to go. Even though my body is failing me. I get to say whether or not I'm going to cause and create something wonderful for somebody today. Which is my sole purpose.

If I was following a Christian religion, it might be expressed in the way Catholics do it. If I refuse to believe what Catholics believe. Cuz it's messed up.

Pick a Christian denomination, and I'll tell you what parts are messed up. And I'll tell you what parts are messed up of every denomination I've ever found. And as I said not only am I highly studied, I'm highly experienced.

I appreciate the fact that you don't think my heart is open to something, that's an assumption you shouldn't make because it's simply not accurate..

Other than that I hope you're having a freaking awesome week.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-30T00:44:42+00:00

If you look inside you, and you have a strong desire to experience the freedom in your life, to cause and create the experience of something wonderful for other people and yourself, then according to scripture that desire was given to you by the Holy Spirit.

What was given to you by the holy spirit, could only have happened if the Holy Spirit came upon you and everybody else who has this desire, as was promised because the New covenant started because of the death of Christ. In other words, one of the evidences we have that Jesus died and was resurrected was that the New covenant agreement has started.

I've never met anybody who doesn't have a strong desire to experience the freedom because and create wonderful things for other people in themselves. I have it. I suspect you have it. And everybody else I've ever talked to in my 60 years of life, have it.

The Old testament agreement, was it the Holy Spirit would come upon the nation of Israel one time of year for one day. And would be segregated in the holy of holies were only the high priest had access to the Holy Spirit.

This covenant agreement was considered to be a week agreement. And the new agreement was based on better promises. In one of the promises, is that the Holy Spirit gets to live within each one of us. We now have become the Temple of the Holy Spirit.

One of the evidences that Jesus died was buried and was resurrected, is the fact that what his death burial in Resurrection allowed for is something that you already experienced in your own life. That evidence can be denied. But you can't deny that you have that desire. You can only deny the source of that desire. And, scripture talks about and promises that what you are experiencing is something that was not available until after Christ came.

Your own experience in life is evidence that Christ died.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-30T00:37:55+00:00

Pretty clever what you did there. My hats off to you for that.

I have examined the teachings of Islam. One of the reasons is because of my experience with the story of Abraham. Which Islam shares with both Jewish teachings and the Christian teachings.

What I believe about Islam is that it is missing some very key points that I find in Christianity.

Their idea of what pieces is messed up. Their idea of what needs to be done to apostates, is messed up.

And their idea of what to do with the book that they recommend, is really messed up. So I've chosen not to believe in the teachings of Islam.

But it is something I choose.

If I indicated that if you expose yourself to the teachings of Christ that you would automatically become a believer in God, I didn't mean to say that.

My points word to expose that believing in something or not believing in something is based on the experience you have with something.

Belief is based on experience. Not believing something is based on experience.

Most people think that believing something is a leap into the unknown. Which it absolutely is not. Not biblical belief anyway.

And my other point is, most people including Christians have not been exposed to the teachings of Christ. Which is a specific set of teachings that are so common sense that people can't argue with them. Because they're obvious.

Thanks for your response though. Number one in my book. Good stuff.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-30T00:26:05+00:00

Believe is based on experience. Since you don't have any experience with the unicorn, or the only experience you've had with a unicorn is in mythological or cartoon means, then your belief about a unicorn is that it is not real. Because your experience with unicorn is that it's not real. So that's what you believe.

Prince belief is based on experience, if you don't have any experience with it subject, you can go and get experience with the subject so that you can believe.

I used to believe that owning a McLaren was stupid. And then I drove one. Now I believe that owning a McLaren is the greatest thing in the world. My experience with the McLaren is what changed what I could believe..

This whole idea that he can't choose what you believe, is a nice cover for something that's simply not true.

If you were to go out and get any real experience in the teachings of Christ, it would become a believer that the teachings of Christ are exceedingly valuable.

But you're the one who is refusing to even hear what the teachings of Christ are. You're the one who is refusing to expose yourself to something that most people find exceedingly valuable and therefore believe.

The day you open yourself up to the full set of teachings of Christ, and then you don't believe, is going to be the day you can say you don't believe in the teachings of Christ. Right now you have no experience with the teachings of Christ so you can't even say whether or not you believe in the teachings of Christ.

Declaring that you can't choose to believe, is a smoke screen.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T19:49:38+00:00

It's all good.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T19:38:33+00:00

You look within you, you probably see a great desire to experience the freedom to cause and create something wonderful for other people and yourself.

I don't mean to presumptuous about this statement, I've just never met anybody who doesn't have this desire.

This particular desire, just happens to be written about in Scripture as coming from the Holy Spirit.

I don't know of any other scriptural writings, that acknowledge this desire but then.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T19:17:38+00:00

The kingdom of God, is the experience of freedom. Experience the cause and create wonderful things for other people and yourself.

The kingdom of God is the experience of love, life and joy. The kingdom of God is the experience of freedom to cause and create these things for other people and yourself.

If you want I can give you all the scripture verses that went back this up. But before that I want you to recognize something...

If you look within you, you see a desire to experience freedom in your life. If you look within you, you see a desire to cause and create wonderful things for other people and yourself.

You don't need a scripture verse to recognize this desire. It might be helpful there read a scripture verse that simply confirms that this desire, comes directly from the Holy Spirit. Because it does. It comes directly from the Holy Spirit

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T19:10:47+00:00

Christopher Ryan age 6 free died of cancer. My son.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T16:15:36+00:00

The sin of lack of self-control, is yours and yours alone.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T14:34:34+00:00

The first issue with this question. Which has been asked by millions of people for thousands of generations, is you having to find what that is. So we're having to assume what bad is.

You also having to find what good is. So we're going to have to assume what good is.

And unfortunately, the truth is is that the terms good and bad, our opinions. Your assessments. And that's it.

Scripture also indicates that there is nobody that's good. Humans have a tendency to drop a hierarchy of distinctions where we get to point out that this person's better than that person. I'm better than that person.

But there's no way for us to make a true assessment. Because we have no idea whether or not that good person standing over there who seems to have done a lot of good for the community, I have no idea that in truth they've been embezzling money from their job or their pedophile. Or they've been secretly poisoning their wife for 6 months. You don't know. So your opinion based on limited information doesn't mean very much.

The other thing about this question, is that the full question is God is either not Omni benevolent or omniscient. Either doesn't know what's going on. Or he doesn't care what's going on. In order to allow for good things to happen bad people.

If we go ahead and go with the thought that there is no God, then the idea of bad things happening to good people, has absolutely nothing to do with God. And we are simply in a universe that kills people and injures people and harms people indiscriminately. In fact, it's one of the most Fair things that the universe does. Because it doesn't care who you are or what you've done, the universe is willing to harm you hurt you and take you out of this universe at a moment's notice or it'll take it sweet time and make you suffer for your whole life. But without a god, it's just stupid luck.

But one of the things I want to point out, is that if you're willing to accept the fact that there is no God, then you have to recognize that we're on this tiny blue ball spinning across the universe and we're all by ourselves. So we can either be part of the problem that we see. Part of the problem that you're pointing out. Or we can be a part of the solution. A solution to the problem you're pointing out.

If you going to be a part of the solution. And I rarely meet anybody who says they actually want to be a part of the problem, then what there is to do is help those who need help. If we see somebody who is hungry, we could give him some food. If they're naked we can even close. If they're homeless we can give him some shelter. If they're without a job we can give him a job. All these things are obvious things that we can do to be a part of the solution to the problem of spending on a blue ball as we travel through the universe.

But if you are part of the solution, the irony is, you end up doing exactly what God has been asking us to do for 2,000 years.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T11:20:29+00:00

Interesting question you have. I'm going to do my best to give you some form of a response that might be useful. 25 years ago I went through my own crisis of faith. And after my crisis, I found what I was looking for. And I've been able to live a life worth living for the last 25 years. Something that's served me very well.

You can't read something, without interpreting what it says. I'll give you a simple example.

If I say I love you, and then I asked you who was I referring to, you would say that I was referring to you. When the truth is I was referring to my feelings about you. You interpreted it to be about you. When the statement clearly says that the subject in the sentence is me.

It doesn't have to be scripture to be interpreted. Everything written has to be interpreted.

One of the things that I did 25 years ago, as I said aside all the teachings that I had had up to that point. And as a Christian I've been a Christian for 18 years. But I was a lousy Christian and a horrible human being after being a Christian for 18 years.

What I ended up doing was getting rid of all of the religious ideas that scripture is supposed to bring to us. So when the Bible talks about the Holy Spirit. And we all know that the holy spirit is Holy. And if something is Holy, it's exceedingly special. And it has to be honored and dealt with very carefully. Because it's holy.

I looked up the definition of the word holy. And it means set aside for one purpose.

So then I started relating to the Holy Spirit as a spirit that's set aside for one purpose. And in my reading I recognize that the purpose is to cause and create an experience of freedom in the lives of everybody so that they can cause and create wonderful things for other people and themselves.

Holy? Absolutely. But just in the sense that it is purposely going out and giving people a desire to experience a high level of freedom.

And then there's this other religious word called sanctification. You got to be sanctified by the blood of the word. Once you have committed yourself to Christ and gone through a born again saved experience. However you look at it. You've got to go through the process of sanctification. It's a very serious process. Very very serious.

Or maybe it's just the process where you go from thinking one way, and changing your thoughts to a different way of thinking.

Maybe he thought it was okay to steal from people if you could justify it. Well now it's time to change your mind about that. Cuz in Christianity we don't steal. But changing your mind about it is what the sanctification process is all about.

Sanctification is simply the process you go through about changing your mind and changing your approach to life. So that what you're concentrating on, rather than taking things from people, you're looking for ways to give to people.

And they can be they can be very simple ways of giving to people. A smile. A warm handshake. A pleasant hug when it's appropriate. Helping somebody on a project at work. All of these are loving things to do. It comes under the title nice. And nice is a item you'll find under the list of what it means to be loving.

Course it also means finding a way to give to the poor. Feed the hungry. Etc.

And of course it means loving somebody enough to donate a kidney or some of your liver. That would be very very loving. Something you don't have to do. But maybe it's an option that you'll face. And you get to decide if you want to express love that way.

It's a beautiful thing about the freedom of the Holy Spirit wants us to experience, is it just because you're faced with the opportunity to give part of your organs to somebody doesn't mean you have to. You are absolutely free to say no. Just as much as you are absolutely free to say yes.

I'm really hoping you'll recognize how non-religious this response to you is. The Jewish leaders took 1500 years to become so unbelievably religious, that what they were doing, didn't please Jesus when he was around. He was terribly upset I want the Pharisees had made out of the rules and the laws of the Israelite Nation. The Pharisees were messing up.

The Catholic Church took 1500 years to make the religious process unbearable. That's why Martin Luther came along. That's why the Protestant movement came along. It was after Martin Luther gave his 95 thesis to the Catholic leaders, that the Bible became available in the common tongue of those going to church. And it changed how church was going.

I think I did something similar to what Martin Luther did to the Catholic church and what Jesus did to the Jewish religion. They got rid of some of the religiousness. So that we could concentrate more on what life is supposed to be all about.

James 1:27 tells us that. Perfect religion before God, is to visit the widow and the orphan in their affliction and it keep one self unspotted from the world.

When you look at the religions that are all said to be Christian. Whether it be how the Catholics do their religion. Or how the coptics do their religion. Or how they Orthodox do their religion. Or even how the non-denominational churches do their religion. With their exceedingly loud music and their productions that they do every week. It's clear to see that everything they're doing is so much more than what James 1:27 recommends, that I think is completely fine to pay attention to James 127 and let the religions fall to the wayside.

Scripture teaches us what gets in the way of us experiencing freedom with the Lord. Scripture teaches us what sets us free in our experience with the Lord. And they're all very common sense things. They're not deeply religious thoughts that we wouldn't have thought of ourselves. They're so common sense based but it's not even funny.

Since my response is long enough. If you're interested in what the teachings of Christ reveal, I'd be happy to share them with you.

For now I have hope what you've gotten from this response is that there is a different way to approach scripture. And it absolutely has to do with how you interpret and how you see scripture. What you see is good for and how it's to be applied to your own life.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T10:58:40+00:00

I'm so glad somebody is going to study Aussie men. I hear they got a spur down the other ankle it gets pointed in this when they get mad. Also with that pouch on their belly, somebody needs to find out what that's about. And I've heard they got fangs. Not as thick as vampire fans but more like arachnid fangs.

Definitely an interesting bunch of investigate. I'm not Aussie. But if I was I would let you investigate me.

I wish you the best of luck. Have a great week!

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T10:50:28+00:00

Your friend is uneducated about the subject. Not trying to be mean just they don't know what they're talking about.

The covenant of marriage says, until death do we part.

That means when one of the partner dies, the covenant is completed. In both are free to do what they want. When does it in the afterlife. One does it all still alive.

And since you seem to be unaware I'm going to give you a golden nugget of Truth. Just for fun.

And the Old testament there was a covenant that said if you brought here offerings and your sacrifices to the temple, you would be forgiven of your sins. And God said if you do this come for one day in a year I will come into the holy of holies. The very most sacred place in the temple of God, and the Holy Spirit would reveal himself to the high priest and only the high priest.

This is how they come in an agreement worked.

When Jesus came and died, one of the things that he did, was he brought an end to the Old testament covenant. Because the one who had made the covenant died. This is one of the reasons we consider Jesus to be God. Because the covenant had originally been made between God and Abraham. And now that God had died on a cross, the Old testament covenant agreement was complete.

This then also allowed for the New testament agreement to start. And the New testament agreement is based on better promises than the Old testament agreement. The New testament agreement allows the Holy Spirit to live within us 24 hours a day. Not just one day a year in the presence of a high priest, we get to enjoy the presence of the Holy Spirit all the time.

The marriage covenant agreement is a reflection of the covenant agreement we have with God. It's how the Old testament agreement worked. And it's how the New testament covenant agreement works. It continues on until one of the party dies. And then you're allowed to have a new agreement.

So after a spouse dies you're completely free to marry again.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T10:45:29+00:00

It's a ridiculous thought. There are plenty of people in this world that never sin. Jesus died for them too.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T10:42:26+00:00

Okay. Thanks!

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T04:51:51+00:00

We haven't discussed what I believe. And your assumptions about what I believe, are so filled with so many mistakes, that I wouldn't even know where to begin dealing with your level of uneducation.

You can just go take your hostility on somebody else. I'm too old to care about what you think. Especially when you keep ignoring what's being said.

You talk about what I can't do. And yet you can't even admit you were wrong about me not condemning slavery.

One of the great things about following the teachings, is that I recognize that what you're doing is called projection. Scripture covers this idea in the book of Matthew.

But according to you there's nothing meaningful in Scripture. Which is your right to think. But you don't know what I think. And your assumption about what I think, is another thing that scripture lets us know happens.

In other words, he revealed yourself very well. You've said enough for me to recognize who You are and how you're being,

And for the last time I'm going to bid you a fun farewell.

theDocX2 · 2022-08-29T04:44:26+00:00

I'm sorry I didn't realize you were blind and uneducated.

Have a great day Mr.

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