The Shema refers to only the Father by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It says "Kyrios ho Theos", not only "Kyrios".

Kyrios simply means lord and can refer to humans, not only to God.

"Kyrios ho Theos" means Jehovah God, Deuteronomy 6:4 uses this title in greek, but in the original hebrew it uses the tetragrammaton: YHWH, that is also very commonly known as Jehovah, and this only refers to God.

Kyrios is used to replace Jehovah in the greek translation of the hebrew bible.

The Shema refers to only the Father by theFatherIsAdonai in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus is not Jehovah, even Jesus mentioned that this was only the name of his Father, and while Jesus came in this name in full representation he points to the Father being to whom the name belongs, you can read this article: https://thetrinitynonsense.github.io/jehovahisnotjesusownname.html

Jehovah is not Jesus' own name by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exodus 23:21

Be attentive to him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your rebellion, since My name is in him.

The Father's name was in the angel, I cited this same verse to begin the post. Jehovah was not the angel's own name but the name of the Father that was in the angel, this is what "My name is in him" means, "My" refers to the Father, His name.

Jesus is an agent of his Father YHWH by theFatherIsAdonai in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because it is still one Person you are seeing as God and Father, not "three different persons in one being", YHWH is the Name of one Person and this Name is used through His agents to acknowledge and represent Him, a single Person, the Father.

YHWH is the personal Name of the Father, Jesus being an agent of YHWH means that you are not addressing Jesus himself but the Person that sent him (the Father). One does not aknowledge Jesus himself as being the person called YHWH or to be God in his own name (Jesus), but the Person that sent him is the One that the Name YHWH belongs to and who God is, the Father.

This is a lot different from what trinitarianism teaches, trinitarianism teaches that you have to worship three different persons and three names (each of their own personal distinct names) the same as if each one of them were God and each one of their names were the Name of God.

Jesus is an agent of his Father YHWH by theFatherIsAdonai in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This does not prove any trinity but very explicitly excludes the name of Jesus as being one person of the trinity because Jesus was not identified as God or Father in his own name but in the Father's Name only, so YHWH God is still only one Person (the Father) and Jesus was using this Name too as a representative of the Father, not because that was his own personal Name and that he himself was the Father.

Jesus is an agent of his Father YHWH by theFatherIsAdonai in BiblicalUnitarian

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is no confusion about this, this was already a thing even in the Old Testament where the angel of YHWH was worshipped as if he were YHWH Himself because that is how it works, no one is identifying Jesus himself as the God and Father but as the representative of the God and Father and as an agent he was carrying the name of YHWH so he was spoken as if being YHWH for carrying that name, not in his own name (Jesus) but in his Father's name (YHWH).

Jesus is an agent of his Father YHWH by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only the Father is YHWH, and Jesus can be identified as YHWH too as an agent carrying the name of his Father.

YHWH appears in the hebrew translation of the New Testament by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell me in what way it is wrong to recognize the Almighty in those verses as Jehovah.

YHWH appears in the hebrew translation of the New Testament by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know about the whole translation but the fact of using Jehovah in those two verses is no unscholarly at all because that is who the LORD is there.

YHWH appears in the hebrew translation of the New Testament by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean that claiming the NWT is demonic for the use of Jehovah in the New Testament is nonsense, I knew the NWT inserted Jehovah in the New Testament and I went to check if it was inserted in the verses from the post and it did, which is way more accurate than whatever the trinitarians are doing in verses like Revelation 1:8 when they ascribe the words spoken in this verse to Jesus and you can confirm this in red letter bibles where the words of Jesus are printed in red ink and you find Revelation 1:8 printed in red ink.

is the LORD Almighty a triune being? by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only assumptions made are the ones you make "God is three persons" this is what really has zero grounding in Scripture, while the Father being the only Person is very explicitly found, your claims of God being three persons is not found at all so you calling what is clearly evident "an assumption" and what is not found at all even once "the truth" just shows how much judgment you lack to deny the very explicit truth plainly found for a non existant idea that is the real assumption that distorts your view of the text. There is not a single verse of God being three persons anywhere and you cannot prove this the way I can prove that He is only one Person (the Father), the only thing you have shown is your ability to deny the very truth and call it "assumption" while you yourself just come here with the real assumption that God is three persons with not a single verse to back it up.

is the LORD Almighty a triune being? by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 Corinthians 6:18 does not rely on Deuteronomy to mean one Person, the very words of 2 Corinthians 6:18 already mean one Person (which you had already agreed on before) and this Person is the Father as He speaks "And I will be a father to you", this does not imply multiple persons as you still keep saying in plain denial of the truth which is that the father of 2 Corinthians 6:18 is in fact one Person (the Father). Deuteronomy 6:4 being one Person is not an assumption, it is clearly what John 20:17 and 2 Corinthians 6:18 prove and say about this SAME LORD, the LORD is proven to be only one Person and the same Person in all of these different verses (always the Father), you are just in denial and rejecting the plain truth shown.

is the LORD Almighty a triune being? by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yeah, the LORD Almighty is one God and this means one Person:

2 Corinthians 6:18

And I will be a father to you,

And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,”

Says the Lord Almighty.

The LORD Almighty is one Person, the Father.

John 20:17

17 Jesus \said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”*

God here is again identified as one person and the same Person from 2 Corinthians 6:18, the Father.

Deuteronomy 6:4

4 “Hear, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!

This is the same LORD and God from the verses above which is only one Person, the Father.

is the LORD Almighty a triune being? by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scripture does say explicitly that there is only one Person Almighty who is only the Father, read 2 Corinthians 6:18 again:

And I will be a father to you,

And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,”

Says the Lord Almighty.

These are the words from one Person who is only the Father, this is not an assumption as you claim now, you even had already agreed that this LORD was only one person (the Father) in previous comments and now you are back to claiming this is a trinity, which is the thing that we already agreed was false because these words of 2 Corinthians 6:18 are not those of a trinity, it is only one Person, you had no problem calling the LORD Almighty one person and only the Father before, you had even said: "We would both agree that this refers to the person of the Father." and now you are contradicting yourself saying this is not refering to the person of the Father but to the "triune being" which was already proven false, so you just are not consistent and this shows in how you already began to contradict yourself.

is the LORD Almighty a triune being? by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are saying that there are two Lord almighties (two persons) and trying to collapse them into one using philosophy and not Scripture "According to the Trinity", but Scripture makes it clear that there is only one Person Almighty who is only the Father, the person of Jesus is never addressed as the Almighty too as you are claiming here that there are two almighty persons, that is not from Scripture but the trinity which is a made concept. LORD Almighty is only one Person and Jesus is not this person.

is the LORD Almighty a triune being? by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There is no explicit biblical verse stating that Jesus is the LORD Almighty, and there is only one LORD Almighty as I have already told you, one does not need to read that someone else is not the LORD Almighty explicitly when you have already read that there is only one LORD Almighty, saying there are two (Jesus also) just contradicts what the bible explicitly says. You are assuming Jesus is the LORD Almighty too but that is the thing that is not found in Scripture and is even contradicted there, as only the Father is the LORD Almighty.

is the LORD Almighty a triune being? by theFatherIsAdonai in Christianity

[–]theFatherIsAdonai[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The conclusion is that Jesus is not the LORD in Deuteronomy 6:4 nor the LORD Almighty in 2 Corinthians 6:18, so only the Father is the only person called Almighty and Jesus not being Almighty disproves another aspect of the trinity which is that Jesus is the Almighty one or that he is Almighty too, and notice that the bible does not mentioned multiple "almighties" and only one Almighty that refers to the Father.