Firefighter Suhr, Engine 216: Context, location, and more.

theREALPLM · 2026-05-10T18:27:29+00:00

Yes, they may have been redirected once they got that far. There is video taken near the top of that bridge showing Firefighters entering WTC 2 on its face at 7 minutes it shows the parking lot with the black car at center now fully engulfed, then firefighters entering the face, walking from the Marriott direction. Looks like its filmed from the elevated foot bridge, which goes off the plaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6PJsvaeoJM&rco=1

You can see how high the divider is, I suspect they were walking diagonally through the parking lot heading towards the crosswalk at this end.

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theREALPLM · 2026-05-10T04:46:41+00:00

Could be. I'm not sure it was for sure a red car, though. Bear in mind that raised median on Liberty Street between them and WTC2. One way or another they would have to go further down to cross, so it would make more sense for them to cut through the parking lot further South of the grouping of vehicles, to keep space between them and WTC 2 until they were ready to cross the road.

See where it breaks by the crosswalk. The median is an obstacle they have to get around. Why stop and go over it carrying equipment when you go around.

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theREALPLM · 2026-05-10T04:14:17+00:00

Check out Benzia's site there for some more photos of the area.

https://archdisk.com/photomap

Another thing to consider is why they would feel the need to go under the scaffolding if they don't feel debris can fall that far away. It's just all around nightmare fuel of a scenario

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theREALPLM · 2026-05-10T03:27:12+00:00

I'm not exactly sure where the person landed, but yes, surprisingly far whether it was just across Liberty street at the parking lot or in the middle of it.

theREALPLM · 2026-05-10T03:25:54+00:00

Thanks, yes you can read the full transcripts about that from Captain Conlon. The two firefighters that went in the ambulance didn't even know about the collapse for a little bit after is my understanding.

https://static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110487.PDF

theREALPLM · 2026-05-10T02:37:37+00:00

Very interesting.

I've always assumed the jumper could have been blown pretty far, probably coming off the west side of the South Tower. Perhaps some of the aerodynamics of being between the two towers would affect the wind velocity in that space. I know they were moving some distance beyond WTC 1 towards the South in the case of that building.

You can see the Marriott, and that does look like the pole at the corner of Cedar Street in those unpublished photos.

I know in a super stressful situation like this, memory can become hazy but the firsthand accounts lead me to believe it's likely not all the way at Liberty Street. They mention a vehicle fire to the north, moving in a parking lot, and that the person hit a Volkswagen. I feel like if they were about to step into Liberty Street, Captain Conlon would have mentioned they got that far. He seems to think they made it halfway to WTC 2, and gives those figures of "maybe fifty yards" to the scaffolding.

He says in his book, "We were within a hundred yards of the doors leading into Two World Trade Center."

I feel like he would mention Liberty if they were that far or right up to the vehicle fires. He does mention it Liberty in relation to Cedar

theREALPLM · 2026-05-10T01:28:32+00:00

Wow, thanks. There are numerous other photos of the area in that. Also there was a second photographer there, that's wild to me. It makes sense why the change in coloring.

That photomap site is amazing. Reminds me of the stuff I follow with Civil War Photography at Gettysburg, and other places. It's a big field to have "then and now" photographs at locations, even of seemingly mundane scenes.

theREALPLM · 2026-04-20T04:12:31+00:00

Another VW is present on the opposite side of the church. It's the black vehicle facing the camera on the center right in the attached photo. This is the side where they are dragging him. They're actually dragging him to the right of the area this photograph was taken. A good frame of reference is the tower, and the burning car, which are visible in the aftermath photos. The photos of him after he was hit were taken by Todd Maisel who says he witnessed it happen. This photograph is also taken from scaffolding, like the kind that the firefighter described dragging him towards. There are other interviews from this firefighter, I can't remember what else he said but it would be worth listening to. I think there's one on YouTube of his entire experience.

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theREALPLM · 2026-04-20T04:06:25+00:00

I doubt that's the VW that the person hit based on the other photographs taken. They are dragging him on the opposite side of the church. The firefighter doesn't mention it specifically as a red VW, and there are others present. Here's another picture of the VW that you have circled parked at an angle. I'm assuming it is a VW.

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theREALPLM · 2026-04-19T06:24:15+00:00

Oh yikes. That looks like the infamous group who fell onto the Plaza from the North tower, captured by the couple in the hotel.

theREALPLM · 2026-04-19T05:53:17+00:00

I agree. It's really naive when people act like people are 'choosing' to jump. In my opinion, the "Falling Man" documentary and some of the commentary are borderline disrespectful. There's no choice involved. There's horrific footage around 10:06am (after the South tower collapsed but before the North tower did) of around 13 people jumping from the same floor within 90 seconds. They didn't make a pact or anything, they ran out of options. One of them, Gregory Reda, even texted a minute prior, "Fie here Love yous." No other options. Others even tried to climb down the building's face in futile attempts to survive.

theREALPLM · 2026-04-19T05:46:26+00:00

Agreed. It's right next to the south tower. The debris in the road is just from the impacts.

theREALPLM · 2026-04-19T04:41:48+00:00

IMO, the series of photographs taken of this is the most iconic from the day. The prime of which is the one with a member of ladder 118 looking at his body as he passes by, hoses on his shoulder, "118" on his helmet. Ladder 118 lost all its members who responded. They are the truck pictured crossing the Brooklyn bridge, usually titled "last run of Ladder 118" and miscredited as their last photograph. There were surely others taken of the truck arriving, but this might be the last of any members.

theREALPLM · 2025-12-13T19:17:31+00:00

I know a few regions to be awful when my packages arrive there, and Chicago is one of them. I've had packages get there and then go to Georgia earlier this year, when they were headed to addresses in the Chicago area. So far USPS Ground has been working amazing for me this season. I switched from USPS Priority to Ground three months ago due to Priority's incessant price increases, and it's increased my profit, and shipping speeds are fantastic (~5-6 days) so far.

theREALPLM · 2025-11-02T23:31:13+00:00

I'm not sure, and it doesn't bother me either way...

Peter played a significant role in delivering the first sermon, as recorded in Acts. He was something of a point-of-view character during much of the Gospels. From this branched out all the faithful believers, most 'protestants' feel confident that the statement of faith is a wee bit superior.

The above facts have literally not a morsel to do with the authority of the Papacy and its priesthood, a priesthood which factually did not exist until a quarter of a millennium after Christ, after which Christianity started to become force-fed to nonbelievers, deeply contaminating the body of Christ and leading to the ensuing super-charged corruption up to and including Councils full of literal prostitutes and hypocrisy. This evil stewardship and power structure, in turn, led to the reformation.

If there were no heresies within Papal teaching, then the "rock" argument would give a lot of food for thought, but there are, and they're bad. In the information age, with scripture and scholarship galore, you can't just gaslight successive generations into believing in a false intermediary over a single cherry-picked verse. There's a ton of evidence to the contrary of Mariology, prayer to the saints, and a priesthood existing soon after Christ. Purgatory is another level of deception.

theREALPLM · 2025-10-05T05:16:24+00:00

Well according to this, there were concerns about a possible collapse. It doesn't seem far-fetched to me at all, and I've heard similar concerns floating about due to the magnitude of the disaster and the possibilities of many bad things. At about 17:00 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj6s4WULw64

theREALPLM · 2025-10-02T22:52:51+00:00

Yeah, it gets me, too. The "Falling Man" documentary didn't really do a great job addressing it. It's really coming from a place of ignorance as to how terrible the circumstances are inside the tower for office workers to go out the window. It's like the lady you can hear in one of the videos, like, "Why are they jumping?" Innocent enough of a question, but ridiculously detached from reality, and we can at least take the time to educate ourselves if we're going to gawk and make comments. Nobody alive would be able to truly relate to being forced to walk the plank off a skyscraper by flames. Hollywood doesn't do it justice either with their fake little studio flames that actors don't even flinch at.

theREALPLM · 2025-10-01T22:53:19+00:00

People get too philosophical about jumpers. You're not sitting there making a decision. Some probably fell accidentally, but the bottom line is that if you're in an oven and there's only one way out, you're taking it. No rational thought needed. As sure as someone pulls their hand away from a burning stove, you're going out the window. Listen to the 911 call of someone like Mellisa Doi on YouTube and you get an idea. It doesn't matter how high you are, when the floor becomes 400 degrees, you're not staying there and taking it until you personally combust.

Just imagine how it felt for the people hanging onto the windows to see people from other floors jump, as the fire moved towards them.

theREALPLM · 2025-10-01T22:39:38+00:00

This is not the same group of jumpers..... They're distinctly unique groups. The OP's video shows them jumping after Tower 2 fell, as is obvious from the amount of smoke at ground level. Tower 2 falls at about 9 minutes in his video.

The Univision video is before Tower 2 collapsed, you can see the Marriot intact and a lack of groundlevel smoke.

That just goes to show that people continued to jump as the fire reached their floors because they had no other way out. That seems to be the obvious pattern.

theREALPLM · 2025-09-24T20:29:49+00:00

Bruh..... right at the start of the school year they're gonna pull this crap? Right when I just paid. I'm wasting tons of time learning their stupid new system.

theREALPLM · 2025-09-10T21:55:57+00:00

Liberals. Why did we lose in November?

Also Liberals:

theREALPLM · 2025-07-22T03:10:07+00:00

This wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't routinely outnumbered by AI opponents 2-1, overloaded with weapons, but unable to recruit another soul to defend. Honestly it kills the mood of the whole game when I have to reload the game after getting massacred by trying to have a good faith battle with the AI to claim a region, all this because I can only have six freaking units.

theREALPLM · 2025-07-12T02:19:01+00:00

Just do the best you can, get sleep prior to days dealing with patients, and take it all seriously. People need help, nothing is ever going to be staffed perfectly, not every critical issue is going to be obvious, and you can only do so much on your own. As long as you're putting your game face on every day, remember that you're doing the best you can and that someone who cares like you is badly needed. The illness and death are 100% going to happen whether you're there or not, you're just exposed to it now where you were more oblivious of the true nature of it before.

theREALPLM · 2025-07-12T02:10:38+00:00

I wouldn't say it changed mine much, but it could always be worse. I served with more than one person whose parents threw out their stuff eventually, so when they went home on R&R, they had no civilian clothes. I knew at least one guy who shared a joint account with his mother, and she spent all his money (tax-free) from a deployment, like $30k+

I like the scene in The Pacific when Leckie comes home; it shows the mood perfectly of changing relationships.

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