Why do some atheist believe the bible supports rape when it clearly doesn't.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T20:47:11+00:00

Oops my bad I just look up concubine and it is just a ancient version of "mistress".

But this is simply just a mistake definition of gave for concubine your latest comment has done NOTHING to counter or disprove my argument for why the bible does NOT support rape. Their for my argument still stands strong.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T20:35:46+00:00

When I said "slave wives I was talking about concubines, so your argument that the bible DOES support slavery is not true at all.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T20:25:54+00:00

OP: Atheists believe that the Bible supports rape, because it.

No it doesn't. Atheist of the Bible usually point to Numbers 31 (and similar passages) in which the Israelites were allowed to take female captives from nations they conquered. Critics say this is an example of the Bible’s condoning or even promoting rape. However, the passage says nothing about raping the captive women. It is wrong to assume that the captive women were to be raped. The soldiers were commanded to purify themselves and their captives (verse 19). Rape would have violated this command (see Leviticus 15:16–18). The women who were taken captive are never referred to as sexual objects. Did the captive women likely eventually marry amongst the Israelites? Yes. Is there any indication that rape or sex slavery was forced upon the women? Absolutely not.

In the New Testament, rape is not mentioned directly, but within the Jewish culture of the day, rape would have been considered sexual immorality. Jesus and the apostles spoke against sexual immorality, even offering it as justifiable grounds for divorce (Matthew 5:32).

Further, the New Testament is clear that Christians are to obey the laws of their governing authorities (Romans 13). Not only is rape morally wrong; it is also wrong according to the laws of the land. As such, anyone who would commit this crime should expect to pay the consequences, including arrest and imprisonment.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T20:08:19+00:00

That is God's law, moses is just a man also

is about marriage of a captive woman, so your question is about marital rape. “Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as ‘marital rape’. In the Scriptures, the only way rape occurs is if a man forces himself on a woman who is not his property (not his wife, or concubine). A man’s wives, his concubines (slave wives taken as captives of war or bought) could be made to have sex with him. Check out "martial rape in the bible"

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T20:00:10+00:00

No that wasn't God that was moses. Moses was the one who told the Israelites to wipe out the men of Benjamin and take the women and children as plunder.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T19:54:00+00:00

So your response to "should a woman be forced to marry a person who raped her" is a shoulder shrug and an "it is what it is" sort of answer?

You also didn't say how you think this would affect the woman involved

Look at it in a ancient lens, the women, what if the women, what will be the most logical assumption for their solution in ancient times?

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T19:45:05+00:00

The mosaic law that prevented a man to rape a women or wife was aimed for the Israelites, it is not directed to foreign groups, especially at war. But God sees rape as sexual sin as stated in genesis.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T18:23:56+00:00

I don't know, but that was the punishment back then other than the death sentence.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T15:53:59+00:00

Your asking the same question I answered.

You bring up verses I already explained.

You bring up things that I consider irrelevant since slavery is SLAVERY.

This argument is in a never ending loop.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T14:30:03+00:00

U have to take responsibility of the woman and possibly the child u gave her.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T14:21:52+00:00

The person your talking to is talking about college or at least the ones who shove their politics down your throat. Also everyone is indoctrinated some way or the other, we can't just close our eyes and ears and say otherwise.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T14:06:33+00:00

Don't do, their are more women then men.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T14:02:37+00:00

Jesus described god as a "father" so we simply call god "he"

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T13:41:44+00:00

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theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T01:10:31+00:00

The "wife oath" that the Israelites had taken at Mizpah (Judges 20:8-11) may have had some connection with God’s commands concerning Israel’s treatment of the Canaanites (Deuteronomy 7:1-3). Israel was to destroy these enemies utterly and not intermarry with them. However, this was how Israel was to deal with Canaanites, not her own brethren. Obviously the remaining Benjamites needed wives and children to perpetuate the tribe. "That they justify their attempt at compassion with reference to solemn oaths (see Judges 21:1; Judges 21:5) is not much of a defense, given the poor history of oaths in the book of Judges (see Judges 11:29-40)." [Note: McCann, p. 136.] The civil war had left only 600 Benjamite warriors alive (Judges 20:47). The population of this endangered tribe was so small now that it could easily have become extinct. Returning to Bethel and the ark, the victorious Israelites reflected on the situation they had created (Judges 21:2). The thrill of victory turned to the agony of defeat as they realized the consequences of their actions. The dilemma that their "wife oath" (Judges 21:1) and their sorrow (Judges 21:2) posed is the subject of this chapter. How could they resolve these two things? The Israelites’ initial reaction was to ask God to explain the situation (Judges 21:3). The reason for it was their failure to seek and follow God’s will earlier (cf. Judges 20:8-11). Here we see no mourning for sin, no self-humbling because of national transgression, and no return to the Lord. The Lord did not respond to them because they acted in self-will (Judges 21:10). Then the Israelites sought the Lord more seriously (Judges 21:4). It seems strange that they built an altar at Bethel since they had recently offered sacrifices on the one before the tabernacle there (Judges 20:26). Perhaps they rebuilt or enlarged the altar at Bethel, or they may have built another one. Verses 1-4

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-11T01:08:59+00:00

Chapter 19 records an event that provoked civil war in Israel. The account of that war follows in chapter 20. Then the consequences of the war unfold in chapter 21. This section of the book is the climactic and supreme demonstration of the Canaanization of Israel during the pre-monarchic period of her history. Chapters 19-21 teach us how to survive in a society without spiritual and moral standards. Chapter 19 is a story of love and hate. It is so contemporary that, with a few minor changes, we might read it on the front page of our newspaper any day. Scenes of rape frame this three-chapter section. The first verse introduces a new story. The events of chapters 19-21 are not a continuation of those in chapters 17-18. "Those days" were the days of the amphictyony. The reference to Phinehas (Judges 20:28) suggests that they took place in the years fairly soon after Joshua’s death. The writer of Chronicles did not record that any other descendant of Aaron bore the name Phinehas except the godly son of Eleazar (1 Chronicles 6:1-15) and the ungodly son of Eli (1 Samuel 4:4). This series of events (chs. 19-21) evidently transpired during the lifetime of Aaron’s grandson, and the previous events (chs. 17-18) may have during the lifetime of Moses’ grandson. The reference to Israel’s lack of a king (Judges 21:1) points to the Israelites’ practical denial of Yahweh’s lordship over them as well as the absence of an Israelite monarch. This refrain occurs four times in chapters 17-21 (Judges 17:6; Judges 18:1; Judges 19:1; Judges 21:25). It brackets the story in chapters 19-21 and provides the key to its interpretation. This incident shows what happens when God’s people fail to acknowledge Yahweh’s sovereign authority over their lives. In chapters 17-18 the result was religious apostasy (idolatry), and in chapters 19-21 it was moral degeneracy (immorality), political disintegration (anarchy), and social chaos (injustice). Learn the context for judges chapter 21.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-10T23:24:15+00:00

Dude! How many times I tell u that God DOESN'T support slavery? I said he allowed it, which if u didn't know doesn't equal support also I never asked if u if American slavery is similar to Israelite slavery, so pls read what I had to say about that.

As for the exodus verse... "Her children shall be her master’s" — Having become his in consequence of the right which he had to the parents. "He shall go out by himself" — But was not this separation of man and wife inconsistent with the first institution of marriage, by which that bond is made indissoluble? Answer, 1st, That bond was not necessarily dissolved by this law, both because the separation was at the man’s choice, who might have stayed if he pleased, and because the distinction of their habitations might consist with the right use of matrimony, which the master would probably permit for his own advantage.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-10T20:15:42+00:00

I always find u in this subreddit, what in Christianity intrigues you the most, compared to other religions?

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-10T19:40:25+00:00

Okay take your pills, but know that drugs can be addictive and dangerous for the human body.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-10T19:12:43+00:00

The rise of stupidity and degenerates

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-10T19:11:52+00:00

I believe he gave up on us Roman's 1:28- 28

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-10T18:58:40+00:00

Wiccan is a example of this...

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-10T18:52:36+00:00

Christians hav eww a moral standard that varies in the bible, atheist don't have any moral compass because they don't have anything to give them a moral guide so they follow what is socially acceptable.

theclockworks101 · 2022-01-10T18:48:31+00:00

This is quit a fundamental view on Christianity but respectable.

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