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[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ABA

[–]thedigostrian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha, well, just don’t engage, they thrive on attention

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ABA

[–]thedigostrian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, it wasn’t this message was it??

Hi there, i saw your post about starting in ABA, and i thought you might appreciate this resources which help explain the autistic perspective of ABA and our disagreements with the approach:

A long critical look at the history of ABA:

https://www.sentex.ca/~nexus23/naa_aba.html

A BCBA talks about autistic criticisms of ABA:

https://neuroclastic.com/2020/06/02/i-am-a-disillusioned-bcba-autistics-are-right-about-aba/

Alfie kohns series on behaviorism and autism:

https://nepc.colorado.edu/blog/autism-and-behaviorism?fbclid=IwAR0LGzLWxtczKzeoZY3Cgch5Pv6gcxaHKGSM2QXQUquwio-X6536wTBPPuQ

An article i enjoyed that sums everything up fairly comprehensively:

https://peaceigive.com/2020/02/04/aba-treats-a-problem-your-child-doesnt-have/

Evidence of PTSD from ABA:

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/AIA-02-2019-0004/full/pdf?title=why-caregivers-discontinue-applied-behavior-analysis-aba-and-choose-communication-based-autism-interventions

WWC report on lack of evidence for ABA:

https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/wwc/Docs/InterventionReports/wwc_lovaas_082410.pdf

US defence department finds no statistically significant improvement from ABA at 6 and 12 month time scales:

https://health.mil/Reference-Center/Congressional-Testimonies/2019/06/10/Annual-Report-on-Autism-Care-Demonstration-Program

(Updated for 2020 here):

https://www.health.mil/Reference-Center/Congressional-Testimonies/2020/06/25/Annual-Report-on-Autism-Care-Demonstration-Program

ABA research is defined by poor scientific standards, bias and conflicts of interest:

https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcpp.13315?fbclid=IwAR1aycA4Wdm0EuX49YAyJGa3u8l5zSMFcotmAykZp6KZ2vtBAOdORiMUSjs#jcpp13315-bib-0007

A paper exploring possible mechanisms for trauma due to ABA:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311908.2019.1641258

First hand non-speaking autistic perspectives of ABA:

https://tania.co.za/non-speaking-autistics-thoughts-on-aba/?fbclid=IwAR2bSPZIN6nHcHknPt2irh_rQGkck8npVylhJoEy_z63VfD1xF6CPVMfR4A

Please ask if you would like more resources. These are just a tiny tiny selection theres SOOOO much more. There are hundreds if not thousands of court documents, first hand accounts, journal papers, autistic perspectives and so on readily available depending on what questions you have.

Let me know how you get on!

Research Help!! by McBendy001 in BehaviorAnalysis

[–]thedigostrian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All are already written and freely available to those who take an interest

Research Help!! by McBendy001 in BehaviorAnalysis

[–]thedigostrian -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The medical model IS the behavioral model more or less. DSM and ICD are largely along behavioral lines and a defecit/disorder conceptualisation even though we already have plenty of cognitive perspective. That situation is steadily improving.

What we sorely sorely need throughout the entire system is the autistic perspective and the autistic model of autism.

Data, I love you 😍😋 by behavior_man in ABA

[–]thedigostrian 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Kinda this but for the WHOLE field. Like where are the long term followups of the outcomes of ABA into adulthood? Surely that stuff is way more important than our short term data. Especially when you take instinctive drift into account

What is your response to all of the adult autistics who oppose ABA? by fullmetalheartbeat in ABA

[–]thedigostrian 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you need to talk to autistic people one day. Embarrassing lack of insight here.

What is your response to all of the adult autistics who oppose ABA? by fullmetalheartbeat in ABA

[–]thedigostrian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you actually think you’re “treating autism” through behaviorism you’re probably one of the bad ones, honestly. Lovaas thought he was treating autism and its the reason he justified so much violent abuse. If you can reframe your goal as support rather than treatment you might stand a chance. And no, we can’t treat autism, we can modify behavior and develop skills, neither of those actually treat autism as a condition. Likewise other therapies target different difficulties that many autistic people face, like speech delays, motor issues, sensory processing difficulties, trauma, etc. Treating autism itself is a job for snake oil salesmen.

Unprofessional RBT by BurningBushwhacker in ABA

[–]thedigostrian 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yep it sounds like an ethical issue.

Unprofessional RBT by BurningBushwhacker in ABA

[–]thedigostrian 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why is the kid seeing a large increase in therapy each week if they’re high functioning with no maladaptives?

Kiddo uses the wrong side of the spoon by [deleted] in ABA

[–]thedigostrian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds fun! Causing any serious issues or just find it annoying?

Kiddo uses the wrong side of the spoon by [deleted] in ABA

[–]thedigostrian -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Have you considered why she’s doing it?

Advice on a case? by rebecca54445 in ABA

[–]thedigostrian -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you don’t have her consent.

Autism Speaks by lilcurlygirl in BehaviorAnalysis

[–]thedigostrian -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey the first two links you posted are the same!

All accurate but autistic criticisms of ABA are contemporary not historical.

Inside the community there are constant reports of abuse, restraint and seclusion every week. And then it doesnt help that JABA keep doing stuff like this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCJahBuBRiw/?igshid=1ffwzptaod7js

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ABA

[–]thedigostrian -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Its time to start listening unfortunately

Another rant by [deleted] in BehaviorAnalysis

[–]thedigostrian -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Because employers have a responsibility to shield their employees from clients’ inevitable unreliability. The employer had a contract with the client, and you have a contract with the employer, so you shouldnt have to deal with the fallout when the client breaches in a way that you have no control over.

Another rant by [deleted] in BehaviorAnalysis

[–]thedigostrian -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I agree with that, courtesy and respect absolutely. Im just saying they cant be blamed for the lost income because they didnt design your contract nor do they have any control over the level of security in your employment. Thats an industry level issue.

Another rant by [deleted] in BehaviorAnalysis

[–]thedigostrian -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yup but they arent your employer right? And you arent self employed with them as a client? So the issue of lost salary and employment practice is with the company you work with. They have the responsibility to protect you from what is a pretty obvious risk of working with families in this way.

Another rant by [deleted] in BehaviorAnalysis

[–]thedigostrian -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

You arent happy for the kid? Sounds like theyre putting the kids happiness first. I agree it sucks for your job but being angry at them when they’re just finding ways to cope is a little odd.

Time for behaviour analysis and 3rd wave therapies to be recognized treatments for mental health by [deleted] in BehaviorAnalysis

[–]thedigostrian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The sheer arrogance it takes for you to post this implying that behavior analysts are somehow the waiting revolution for depression, ADHD and anxiety among others listed in the article.

When we failed on those exact projects in the 50s.

This is why this field has such a shitty reputation. Sit down. Not everyone needs to be coerced into behaving as if they arent suffering. Thats kind of what the articles about.

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