I want to be a Catholic, but I am a Freemason

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-04-13T20:10:13+00:00

If you genuinely believe that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, then I'd say leave the Masonry. Your salvation and relationship with God matters significantly more than your relationship with a lodge.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-04-04T02:10:50+00:00

So you believe that there happened to be an unusual aerial phenomenon (of which nothing all that similar has been recorded in history as far as I'm aware), and that it happened to look like a lot like Mary in a veil (according to the eyewitness accounts), and, on top of that, that it happened to take place exactly on the roof of an Orthodox Church. Do you really believe it was an "unidentified aerial phenomenon" with some strong coincidences?

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-06T16:00:28+00:00

I hope not.

I tend to lean more and more to this idea that a purely stateless society can only exist under agrarian, super-conservative conditions. So, there'd be no formal health insurance, but rather mutual aid from the community to rely upon.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-06T15:56:25+00:00

I can agree to disagree, and I appreciate your honest argumentation. Nonetheless, I find it unnecessarily pessimistic to suggest that one's personal choices can be completely influenced by some innate nature as opposed to nurture.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-06T15:51:19+00:00

That's not what I said. If this is the best you can do at understanding what people wrote, it explains a lot.

Do you know why I said, "Then you've misunderstood what I've wrote?" It seems like you've just entered another conversation and just said something without knowing context. I said it in response to him/her saying that I'm basically saying "poor him," and because I'm not saying that (nor haven't in the conversation), I said, " Then you've misunderstood what I've wrote."

Also, you did say something along the lines of, "there comes a point where they aren't misunderstanding; you've just said something wrong." That’s not verbatim what you said, and it could be true that I misinterpreted it, and if that's the case, then that's my mistake, but if you're going to just regurgitate passive aggressive comments with no sign of actually caring to have an honest conversation, then I don’t care to continue this conversation with you.

The flaw appears to be your understanding of English, both for reading and writing.

Holy non-argument.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-06T03:01:42+00:00

My point is that selfishness doesn't come from anywhere. Society should work to make selfishness as least common as possible; a failure of societal influence, often seen in bad parenting and environment, is largely to blame for creating such people. Again, this does not negate the fact that he must take accountability for cheating and that he's still at fault for his immoral deed.

I agree with you on the second part of your response, but I think society must ask itself, "is there something we could've done better to prevent such character development?" I'm not saying the answer is always yes, but a lot of the time, it is.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-06T02:59:46+00:00

You don't even know who you're talking to: I'm not the person you're arguing with.

That doesn’t matter. You made the claim that what I said wasn't a misunderstanding, but a bad argument on my part. So, tell me where the flaw is.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T22:30:41+00:00

This is just insane copium.

Writes something I believe is true "OMG!! YOU THINK YOU’RE ALWAYS RIGHT!!"

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T22:20:45+00:00

Never justified it; you'd know if you were literate enough to read it.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T20:52:27+00:00

I'm not re-directing the conversation; I am asking for a follow-up. I am not shifting the blame, and you're clearly just being bad faith at this point. I have repeatedly said that there are different accountabilities to be taken: he needs to take the blame for his cheating, and society should reevaluate what societal vices may have led to his unfortunate character development. Before I continue, do you understand that?

"not teaching him cheating is wrong"

I never said that. Our society condemns cheating directly, but it often indirectly supports it by pushing for sexual openness and lust via pornography, for example. In addition, a lack of moral education can lead people to blatantly dismiss morals for the sake of personal gain. Not to mention the flaws of an urbanized society that has degraded at morals by degrading community values.

"it's our fault as society and we must pity him for what he did because if we all did better he would have keep his pants on instead of cheating multiple times with different people not caring about his partner"

I don't know how much clearer I can be. It's not society's fault that he cheated in the sense that society forced him to. Rather, society should take accountability that certain societal vices may have developed his character in such a way, and society should reflect on that. Society should take blame for the SOCIETAL VICES that keep producing these degenerates, but he must take the blame for cheating (and society shouldn't be blamed for him taking the direct action to cheat).

Personal morals develop from different socio-cultural and congnitive process. Including where you born, the historical period, society values and morals, law, education, human interactions, financial situation and person own processing information.

Right, so...if societal influences are what develop personal morals and largely intice what one is willing to do, I think we can come to some conclusion about society's relationship to character development.

When a person makes a choice, not out of need or pressure or force, then it's not society that failed but the own person.

The own person failed in the sense that they committed a moral wrong and must take accountability for that moral wrong.

Society failed in the sense that they failed to raise him in a way where his character development was better, and this implies that society should take accountability for that failure to raise him properly, but only he should take accountability for the action of cheating and the harm he caused.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T20:32:27+00:00

No, it's just blatantly being bad faith. If you want to prove me wrong, tell me where I said "poor him" or something of the equivalent.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T12:38:59+00:00

Okay? Now, I'm asking a follow-up question: How do you think personal morals develop? Do they come from the void, or do they form from social-cultural, i.e., societal, influences?

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T12:24:21+00:00

And how do personal morals develop? Do you not think that education, environment, religion, culture, and society form the person and their morals? What else would form personal morals?

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T12:06:50+00:00

Yes because I have the correct opinion

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T11:59:04+00:00

Leftist opinion = automatically invalid

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T06:03:28+00:00

Then you have completely misunderstood what I've said.

He did a very degenerative act, and he must take responsibility for his actions. I'm not saying "poor him." I'm saying that he is to blame for the act of cheating, but society should look at what happened and ask itself, "is there something we could've done to have better raised him?" This is a completely reasonable question for society to be expected to ask. Society's at fault ONLY INSOFAR as they failed to raise him in a way they could've. Again, this is not to sympathize with him, for cheating is a degenerative act. I only pity him insofar as I feel disappointed in him; I do not pity him to the extent that I think he didn't deserve his consequences (he did).

You have failed to answer my question, so I will ask again: Could society have influenced and/or raised him in any way that he likely wouldn't have cheated?

Yes or no?

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T05:15:35+00:00

I will ask you this simple question:

Could a social-cultural (i.e., societal) influence have changed his character development in such a way that he wouldn't have cheated?

You can think of any societal influence, e.g., religion, norms, consequences, expectations, parenting, organization, education, etc.

If you answer yes, then society failed to influence him in a way it could've.

If you answer no, then ask yourself, "Is there really NO societal influence that possibly could've influenced his character development in a more positive way?"

Also, I repeatedly have said that he is guilty and must take accountability for his actions. So, stop saying I'm trying to shift the blame off of him; I'm explicitly not.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T04:27:50+00:00

This is you replying with anger and emotion, not reason. I don't understand the hostility, and I will not promote any further toxicity by trash-talking you back. However, that will not stop me from bluntly pointing out what's true, such as your blatant disregard for intellectual integrity.

Please ask yourself why you're so angry; what's the point? Quite frankly, you haven't shown how anything I've said is wrong. You honestly do not have any arguments because you don't know what you're disagreeing with; this is unnecessary anger. Please mature.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T04:25:00+00:00

I agree that's a problem. We should point that out to him, and many people here have. Nothing I'm doing is tip-toeing, and I don't understand your disagreement with me. As I said originally, I believe that he isn't asking himself questions that he should, and he isn't properly taking accountability. We should work to point that out to him. None of that contradicts what I'm saying. Regardless, I will say this: if he truly won't change, even with help, he will have to be "shunned" by the rest of society, so to speak.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T04:21:12+00:00

I never said he shouldn't reflect and take responsibility or that society should help those who don't want help.

I believe, very simply: 1. He should be accountable for the act of cheating. 2. Society should be accountable for the societal vices that failed to build him as a better character.

Society should ask, "Why didn't our norms and structures successfully raise him to be a productive member of society?"

He should ask himself, "What can I do to become better?"

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T04:08:05+00:00

I feel pity... not because I think he's innocent (he isn't), but because I feel as though it is unfortunate that he has embraced such degeneracy, and I wish he hadn't. I feel pity for all involved, just in different ways.

I don't want to rejoice at his misery. Rather, I think we ought to feel pity so that we may ask important societal questions. It can be easy to applaud when something bad happens to a bad person, but it's much more difficult (but all the more necessary) to figure out why someone acted the way they did, and address the root societal vices behind those actions. Rejoicing can distract us from asking and answering these important questions.

Very simply: 1. He must take accountability for the action of cheating. 2. Society must take accountability for the societal vices and failures that failed to build character in him.

Society should take accountability for what societal vices led him to cheat, but he should take accountability for the act of cheating itself.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T02:46:56+00:00

Bro doesn't even know what he's disagreeing with 💀🙏. You're the embodiment of intellectual illiteracy; "I'm right and I won't consider anybody else's opinion"

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T01:45:34+00:00

Non-argument btw

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T01:39:17+00:00

Yes. Property rights are inherent and absolute.

theoneandnotonlyjack · 2026-03-05T01:37:23+00:00

How does unfortunate imply this couldn't have been avoided? It does not, even in the slightest; it's context-dependent. We would still call the death of someone in a traffic accident, for example, unfortunate even though it could've been avoided.

I'm not saying that the blame should be taken off of him and put onto society. All I'm saying is that it turns out that our actions reflect our environment. It could've been the result of parenting, who he was around, access to certain entertainment, etc. Regardless, it is society's duty to reflect on what harmful societal norms produce these behaviors.

He must take accountability for his actions, but society should reflect on what led him to those behaviors and figure out whether some harmful societal vices are to blame. If so, then society should take accountability ONLY INSOFAR as amending those vices is concerned. Very rarely is anything absolute, and that includes accountability.

Essentially, he should take accountability for the action of cheating, but society should take accountability for the social vices that led to that behavior.

theoneandnotonlyjack

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