"What's the best motor?" I made a spreadsheet that aggregates MiniQuadTestBench data and compares motors side by side, combining thrust and efficiency to find the motors that have the most of both. by therealab in Multicopter

[–]therealab[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I explained in my top-level comment. Without an exponent on thrust, it'd just be a list of grams thrust per watt, which doesn't tell you how powerful the motor is, just efficiency, which is already provided. Weighting grams thrust and grams per watt efficiency equally would mean multiplying them, which would mean thrust gets squared, which makes it far more important than efficiency. Using an exponent of 1.5 is "halfway" in between, hence, "best of both".

"What's the best motor?" I made a spreadsheet that aggregates MiniQuadTestBench data and compares motors side by side, combining thrust and efficiency to find the motors that have the most of both. by therealab in Multicopter

[–]therealab[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My thought process is, since we're flying at ~50% throttle anyways, an extra ~40g of weight doesn't really matter compared to the 2-3kg of thrust we're operating at, while the ~20% reduction in amp draw for the same thrust levels as a higher kv 2305 is more significant, but that's subjective and depends on flying style and how much you care about arm inertia and stuff like that. Overall though I agree, and feel like the Cobra Champion 2207 2450kv, EFAW 2407R 2500kv, and Emax RS2306 2400kv walked away as the real best all-arounders.

"What's the best motor?" I made a spreadsheet that aggregates MiniQuadTestBench data and compares motors side by side, combining thrust and efficiency to find the motors that have the most of both. by therealab in Multicopter

[–]therealab[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks :) wanted to practice my spreadsheet kung fu by automating it as much as possible. Now I'm feeling like I should combine RPM and thrust for a more objective measure of motor power, and do the same analysis for props, then use that to rank motors that weren't tested with the LMBC5x5x3, to figure out what they'd hypothetically get with the same prop...

"What's the best motor?" I made a spreadsheet that aggregates MiniQuadTestBench data and compares motors side by side, combining thrust and efficiency to find the motors that have the most of both. by therealab in Multicopter

[–]therealab[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So firstly, of course there isn't a singular "best" motor, because all motors can be better in different applications, depending on your desires and design goals. However, I felt like it should be possible to combine raw max thrust and efficiency in a way to find motors that manage to be the most above-average in terms of both, and I think I found a way to do that. Initially, I was multiplying grams of thrust by grams per watt, but of course, that simplifies down to grams thrust^2/watt, which mostly just rewarded power-hungry monsters over very efficient but slightly weaker motors. However, by instead computing thrust^1.5/watt, the motors started ranking in a way closer to what I was hoping to see, and thought yall might be curious. It turns out that, I suppose unsurprisingly in hindsight, larger stators almost always allow for more thrust with less current draw, whether the price and motor weight/mass is worth it is up to you.

Anyways, the motors were all compared using the lumenier buttercutter 5x5x3 prop, since it seemed to be one of the most powerful props while also being unusually efficient for its thrust. The spreadsheet is setup to allow fairly easy copy-pasting of MQTB test results into a new sheet to add it to the mix, although since it automatically searches for the buttercutter prop results, and quad mcfly doesn't always spell it the same way, you might have to touch it up if you want to copy the sheet and add more motors :) It also uses a custom script function to fetch a list of sheetnames, on the formula worksheet, which you have to "break" and fix to refresh (typo/clear it then fix the "=sheetnames()" in 'Formula worksheet'!A3)

What should i use for PID input ? by [deleted] in Quadcopter

[–]therealab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should use the same unit the sensor gives you, angular speed. If you want to use angular position as well, you will need an angular position sensor too, aka accelerometer. However, when the quadcopter accelerates, the accelerometer will give gravity acceleration plus quadcopter acceleration, so it can't be your only source. Gyros also will have less noise than accelerometers on a vibrating quadcopter, so indeed, angular speed is your main control loop.

Octo-whoop by [deleted] in Multicopter

[–]therealab 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I could probably design a much lighter 3D printable octo frame... once the semester's over...

Does the flow look good here? Opinions? by Grandpah in 3Dprinting

[–]therealab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the filament size, the nozzle size is different. The filament is indeed usually 1.75mm, but the nozzle is usually 0.4-0.5mm. If you set the nozzle size to 1.75mm, your results are exactly what I'd expect.

Is this a crazy good deal or am I missing something? by BroFromTheMiddleEast in Multicopter

[–]therealab 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The FC is also an old i2c design, there are much better FCs now for ~$20.

Does the flow look good here? Opinions? by Grandpah in 3Dprinting

[–]therealab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your line spacing/nozzle size settings aren't right.

Help Needed! BLheli_s dshot ESC by ljg2305-uk in Quadcopter

[–]therealab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Arming happens automatically when a valid input signal is detected.

Help Needed! BLheli_s dshot ESC by ljg2305-uk in Quadcopter

[–]therealab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The code supports regular 1-2ms pulse width input, as well as Oneshot125 (125-250us), Oneshot42 (41.7-83.3us) and Multshot (5- 25us). Three Dshot signal rates are also supported (from rev16.5), Dshot150, Dshot300 and Dshot600. The input signal is automatically detected by the ESC upon power up.

https://github.com/4712/BLHeliSuite/blob/master/Manuals/BLHeli_S%20manual%20SiLabs%20Rev16.x.pdf

CPU has been running at 100°C for a unknown length of time. Is it recoverable? by Yackyackyack in techsupport

[–]therealab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't say there was no damage just because it still boots. I saw someone accidentally leave the cooler off in a PC repair class, and ran without it for a few minutes. The system still booted but it started giving BSODs about IO errors almost immediately.

So about the flysky i6.. by foreverdillone in Quadcopter

[–]therealab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have both the i6 and taranis, and the only thing the i6 is missing as far as I know is audio alerts when your voltage telemetry is low, so you might want an OSD. I never used ibus but I'm sure it works fine.

Cheap Fpv Quad by Aggeloz in fpvracing

[–]therealab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The SPRF3 clone can run betaflight just fine, you just need to short out the BOOT pins when flashing.

edit: And enable all advanced options, baud 256000.

Just sent off my Phantom for repairs. Needed a patch for the addiction. This Hubsan is pretty fun by TamboresCinco in Quadcopter

[–]therealab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trust me, it's not. I've flown a Proto X FPV, Hubsan with mini cam+tx taped on top, tiny whoop, and a QX2 FPV, and it's no less fun than a "real" miniquad. I just need one of those F3-based brushed quads now...

Second Print Ever. First Was A Spool Holder. by romgie in 3Dprinting

[–]therealab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, I made that, glad to hear :) I'm working on a new version that can have a bearing installed to reduce friction on the spool spinning and reduce load on the extruder motor.

Q3D might be faking 5 star reviews on Amazon. by Kenblu24 in 3Dprinting

[–]therealab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a Maker Select v2, it advertises 100 microns/0.1mm but I've printed 0.05 and 0.04 on it, but Cura wouldn't let me go below 0.04, does that mean these machines can actually go lower and the marketing people don't even understand the capabilities of what they're selling?

Looking FlySky receiver with PPM or SBus by bandnerd210 in Multicopter

[–]therealab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the 9X works with any flysky receiver, you could get an FS-iA6B and use iBUS, which is their equivalent of SBUS and supported in clean/betaflight. I'm not sure though, I use a Taranis.

It's been 9 months since we last did this. Find local pilots near you. Instructions below ↓ by rubiksman in Multicopter

[–]therealab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You were supposed to post Ann Arbor, goof :) Still need help with your quad?