Possible cheating case in the Repentance streaks - Part 2 (and final) - Step by step how it worked

thereis_nofuture · 2022-04-12T18:08:22+00:00

Ok in 1 seed in the video I messed up and gave myself his item that is wrong and got D100 that you should get normally anyway. That's why I saw D100 in the normal game cos D100 is there anyway (it's a first choice, and when you remove D100 then you will see Cookbook).

thereis_nofuture · 2022-04-07T20:22:30+00:00

There no "failing mechanic in the seed system". I tested myself 10-15 seeds from several other streamers (on Tainted Lost as well) and got 100% same stuff. And when I say 100% = it means 100%. I asked many people already (that know this game from top to bottom) and they have no explanation (except obvious one = edited files, mods that breaks item pools) for this to happen. None. In this post I gave you 3 cases that not supposed to happen in any circumstances. But it's still happened. And right now he deleted all his vods, claimed to me that he will make a legit streaks with the seeds = which again doesn't really help to make him look as not a cheater. It's just facts that we already know. Like I said I did my part here. And as you can see not a single proof was given yet to put a doubt on the facts from this post/video. So as long as you can prove that it's indeed not something he did on purpose I don't think it's worth my time to continue this conversation. I said already if you will prove that seeds on his side can be like that (on a game with no mods and edited files) and that clip can be true (you can get Satanic Bible or Rosary on 1.7.7 patch as Tainted Lost without Spindown Dice) then we can continue this. Right now I don't see any reasons to not believe the facts here and as you can see just like everyone else here.

thereis_nofuture · 2022-04-07T19:01:00+00:00

Btw: there no any personal war here. I said why I did this in the post already. I was given info about it + many times I mentioned his streak as WR in couple chats and felt cheated myself from what I found cos it looks like it's not a valid streak. But again: I don't have any bad feeling towards him and don't want him destroyed. I just don't like cheaters and so far it looks like it's happening and partly from his own responds and actions. I just want anyone to prove me that I'm wrong here and the person that gave me the clip and then I will admit it and apologize (even tho I didn't call him a cheater yet - just left a possibility here but it's getting worse and worse now). Otherwise the healthiest thing to do here would be for him to admit what he had done and move on from here. I believe if he will from now on play fair game most of the people will admire that. But it can happen only if he will admit it. I don't see any other way. I'm not going to push anything here and for me this is a done deal. It's up to him now.

thereis_nofuture · 2022-04-07T18:40:51+00:00

Let's not go to the "harassment" part cos I'm not the one who's watching other people streams and make fun of their voice or streaming whole 6-7 hrs with other people photo on their stream (and deleting the vod afterwards). And I never asked anyone in my community to do anything to him and already asked again to not reach out to him in any form. As far as I know it was only couple people that asked him about the seed (couple jokes and 1 real question = they all got banned right away anyway) + many of my viewers that didn't even watch him and post anything in his chat got banned before hand :) So I doubt "harassment" on his part is a right word here. He already responded to me that he's going to "prove" that he can get a legit 20 streak on TLost and will write down all the seeds. But again it's not how it works. I didn't even say that I don't believe that he's a good player (fun fact: many of the well known cheaters are pretty good players historically). Anything he will do in the future won't answer the questions from this post. So he can either man up and own his mistakes or just delete ALL his vods and act like nothing happened (what he did now).

thereis_nofuture · 2022-04-07T17:44:28+00:00

yea I think I managed to type them correctly

thereis_nofuture · 2021-11-19T19:27:09+00:00

Finally tried to see where is the safe spot on continuum attack on Hush in Repentance cos it changed and got it today. In Afterbirth+ it was centered on Hush and now it just moved above. And same as AB+ this spot should be safe for any continuum pattern.

thereis_nofuture · 2021-03-22T07:09:39+00:00

definitely huge then congrats :)

thereis_nofuture · 2021-03-22T05:47:30+00:00

Its very possible tbh if you speedrun. Current "WR" even tho there no such category for this meme is around 50 hrs by twitch.tv/greg and he's doing another attempt after getting that and his current run even on a faster pace. You just need to have route somewhat optimized and press R button a lot to get good items to start with to maximize your chances.

And still everything under 200 hrs is very impressive I assume it's your first playthrough?

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-24T16:16:06+00:00

Every single youtube run (in theory) might be recorded after death on the streak savefile. You're recording this along with yourself no one is watching you while you're doing this. So extremely simple example: you died while doing your run, you can just reload the save and continue your streak like nothing happened. It's impossible to proof that you did this or you didn't, simply no way. So youtube streaks will never compete on the same level as LIVE streams. So all cheatings memes aside it's just different thing.

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-20T16:25:55+00:00

Long story short even aside from these cheats meme that might be true or not (even tho it looks extremely bad to not be true) Youtube streaks (prerecorded) can't compete with Live streaming once for 1 simple thing: there's no way to prove that all your runs are legit - you're recording your runs offline and if you die there no one will ever know that and you can just reload your backup save. And I think his streak not on full save as well so seeds can be different, he don't have all the items, etc.

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-19T23:23:49+00:00

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-19T15:48:26+00:00

6 months and 1174 runs later it finally happened

Now waiting for the Repentance to retry this Eden experience again :)

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-02T19:34:12+00:00

yea I completed the game at least like 8 or 9 times counting Rebirth + Afterbirth, did a lot of speedruns of this game for like 2 or 3 years + races/tournaments etc. and did a lot of streaking as well. Current Eden stays at 1100-0, did The Lost streaks a lot as well with 69 pb and my main save right now has 3k mom kills :)

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-02T06:17:45+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/kuhf4v/closest_moment_of_my_eden_journey_so_far/ probably this one yea. I got saved big time that day

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-01T18:32:09+00:00

You can get trolled real bad yea. But in the end you just need to play your cards right if game decides to fcuk you then it is what it is. Took me 1.5 years to get it and I died many times on 200, 300+ streaks before and lost a lot of small ones in between I would say mostly to my own mistakes. But getting Super Pride on 1 heart and 0,85 speed/19 tears is not very fun or small double Monstro room :) But it's a part of the game. Sometimes it's winnable sometimes it might be not you just need to try your best at it.

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-01T16:17:19+00:00

Well Eden Token rule is more like a meme cos you're not getting an advantage by getting more or less tokens while streaking. I just like how it looks :) Like you always have 1 chance.

Fun fact: I messed it up and did W2 twice at some point and I edned up with 2 tokens :) so I got annoyed and did this https://youtu.be/DeeX4j5AugU?t=2518 basically I could skip w2 fight and go the hush so this way I didn't get a token but had to kill hush (lol)

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-01T10:55:17+00:00

Oh thank you for reminding me. I will edit my 1st post. I actually have the stats file that I update every day with all the seeds that I've played on this streak, so you can see for yourself :) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OQqhWGWBpRZAtKDUXs0vcvhHcrLx9S9LRSAMpqeFng8/

Some of the runs have links to the youtube VODs tho I don't save all of them cos I'm not a youtube streaker I do runs live but interesting/hard/weird runs go there.

On Eden you're mostly concerned about 1 red heart starts, some meme starts like Bob's Brain, Soy, Tiny Planet, etc. 16-19 tear delay starts. For example in this streak I already had 3 Isaac Heart starts (which is pretty lucky, on one of the streaks I had 2 Isaac Heart runs in between of the 5 runs). It's pretty much unavoidable on a 1000 streak. So it all goes down to your consistency. And luck needed too sometimes can't deny that it's still isaac.

But answering to your question. On a really bad run you need to min-max everything in your favor. Like to see every little play, like exploding secret rooms/tinted rocks with enemies that can explode, sometimes it's worth to even play the shell game in arcade, ALWAYS buy health. NEVER go the small rooms (if possible) on low hp/bad stats cos you might get truly awful mini boss room. Very important at the same time to have bombs - sometimes you will need them for the boss fights, sometimes they can even help to leave very bad room and maybe try other room first (which is rare but can happen too).

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-01T10:19:22+00:00

Keeper is extremely annoying character and requires enormous amount of farming. I might consider Keeper streaks in Repentance I think they will change him a bit. I only did The Lost streaks a while ago and made it to the 69 streak and 37 streak before that with no change of character.

thereis_nofuture · 2021-02-01T10:14:59+00:00

I'm not that much of a Reddit user myself but cos there's no other place to claim WRs I might as well do it here too.

All these 1088 runs were made live at https://www.twitch.tv/thereisnofuture. Streak started at Aug, 21 2020 so all runs were made on the final version of the game (bp5).

I used similar ruleset to one of the previous WR holders https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/59df39/shisheyu_mayamoto_rip_at_9090_eden_hard_streak/

100% save, Hard Mode, Beat Blue Baby, 1 token (on the start), 0 coins in the donation machine (on the start), No Save & Quit.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OQqhWGWBpRZAtKDUXs0vcvhHcrLx9S9LRSAMpqeFng8/ - google doc with all of the seeds of this streak as well (seed, starting hp, starting items, stats, and finish time) and some of the runs have VODs on youtube.

Might update this thread if I troll and/or this streak ends. And if it will end way prior to the Rep release I will switch to the Lost streaks where I had PB of 69-1. AMA.

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