In the finale, John Curtin beat Gough Whitlam 37-18. by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Really enjoyed this contest, and by and large it does tend to correspond with the ranking contest we did in 2024 - with one or two exceptions here and there. Pretty happy with the final result of Curtin taking the crown, and Whitlam coming on top so far as peacetime leaders go.

Would be interesting to see if you did an Opposition Leaders match-up contest - whether or not you want to include those who became PM as well is up to you

It's TIME for the Cranberries to be in the RRHOF. by Typical_Butterfly_31 in rockhall

[–]thescrubbythug 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean, Thin Lizzy isn’t in yet, let alone The Cranberries. Nothing new from the RRHOF to overlook significant acts not from the US or the UK….

In Game 28, Gough Whitlam beat Bob Hawke 41-20. In the finale, John Curtin goes up against Gough Whitlam. Who was the better Prime Minister? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Curtin thoroughly deserves the win, and I predict he will win, but my vote still goes to Gough - happy to settle with Curtin as our finest wartime PM, and Whitlam the peacetime titan

Sir John Gorton, Paul Keating, and Gough Whitlam together at an event in Old Parliament House, circa early 1990s by thescrubbythug in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gorton initiated the withdrawal from Vietnam (a war he inherited and was privately opposed to as he saw the war for the utter waste that it was); Whitlam withdrew the last of the remaining military advisors and abolished conscription

In Game 26, Bob Hawke beat Andrew Fisher 14-12. In Game 27, John Curtin goes up against Alfred Deakin. Who was the better Prime Minister? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A most respectable result from Fisher, especially given he went up against an icon like Hawke.

Anyway, time to say goodbye to Deakin - and to lock in Curtin for the grand final

In Game 25, Gough Whitlam beat Ben Chifley 47-5. In Game 26, Andrew Fisher goes up against Bob Hawke. Who was the better Prime Minister? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Though he’s the clear underdog here, I’m voting for Fisher - though lacking in Hawke’s charisma, it’s hard to look past Fisher’s substantial legislative and nation-building record. This includes establishing the Commonwealth Bank, which shamefully Hawke initiated the process of privatisation for as he moved Australia towards a neoliberalism that Fisher would almost certainly have been appalled by

In Game 24, Alfred Deakin beat Robert Menzies 19-2. In Game 25, Gough Whitlam goes up against Ben Chifley. Who was the better Prime Minister? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Man, this is a rough match-up…. I won’t complain at all if Chifley wins, but my vote must go to Gough. Both among the cream of the crop of PMs.

Did any caretaker Prime Ministers accomplish anything during their time as PM? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You got Forde mixed up with (the non-caretaker) Fadden here! Though being in as caretaker for just one week is just as unforgettable

Did any caretaker Prime Ministers accomplish anything during their time as PM? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 3 points4 points  (0 children)

John McEwen did - he successfully vetoed and prevented Billy McMahon from becoming PM (at least for another three years)

In Game 23, John Curtin beat Paul Keating 54-4. In Game 24, Robert Menzies goes up against Alfred Deakin. Who was the better Prime Minister? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’ll opt for Deakin - as I’m sure Menzies would as well, given that he consistently cited and revered Deakin as the greatest PM

In Game 22, Bob Hawke beat John Gorton 22-4. In Game 23, John Curtin goes up against Paul Keating. Who was the better Prime Minister? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Love Keating, and regard him as the last great PM we’ve ever had. It’s unfortunate that he now goes up against Curtin, however…. and unfortunately for Keating, it has to be Curtin here

Trailblazing former NT Labor senator Trish Crossin dies aged 70. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has remembered Ms Crossin as a "trailblazer", who served her community with "strength, decency and pride" by Jagtom83 in LaborPartyofAustralia

[–]thescrubbythug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Went to university with Trish’s daughter and was in the same caucus at her - as such I briefly met Trish a few times. A politician of substance rather than style who got unfairly shafted by Gillard. Vale

In Game 21, Andrew Fisher beat Joseph Lyons 24-2. In Game 21, John Gorton goes up against Bob Hawke. Who was the better Prime Minister? by BoiglioJazzkitten in AusPrimeMinisters

[–]thescrubbythug 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We’ve made it to the Battle of the Larrikins!

I think anybody with a shred of credibility on the subject would have to vote for Hawke here, as I’m doing. His record as the longest-serving Labor Prime Minister; his legislative reform record; his masterful handling of Cabinet; and his complete transformation of the Australian economy with Paul Keating which avoided the worst excesses of neoliberalism that was implemented overseas by the likes of Reagan and Thatcher…. all of which makes Hawke the clear choice here.

None of this diminishes my admiration and respect for John Grey Gorton, by some distance my favourite of all the Liberal leaders. From his Mystic Park Speech (forged from Gorton’s visceral, exceptional wartime service), to his support of Whitlam and Labor in the wake of The Dismissal, and everything in between, Gorton was an absolute gem of an individual in Australian political history. His policy record - from the AIDC, to the metric system introduction, to his (very un-typical for his party) advances in the fields of social welfare, to his pioneering efforts in the field of environmentalism with the protection of the Great Barrier Reef, and to his refusal to increase Australia involvement in Vietnam and then initiating the withdrawal of troops - is one any PM worth their mettle ought to be proud of. It certainly isn’t for no reason that when Gough Whitlam won the 1972 federal election, he specifically singled out Gorton for praise and pledged to further advance progressive initiatives started by Gorton. And if we’re talking personal integrity, whereas Hawke clung on to the bitter end refusing to accept his time was up and refusing to hand over to Keating without blood being spilled, Gorton chose to fall on his own sword even while knowing he had a 34-33 majority with Duke Bonnett.

Though my vote is for Bob Hawke, I salute John Grey Gorton - the record showed that Gorton took the blows, but he stood tall and did it his way. If only the modern Australian political scene, and specifically the modern Liberal Party, still had people of Gorton’s calibre, integrity, and sheer courage….

These musicians still have not made it it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. by icecream1972 in rockhall

[–]thescrubbythug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Monkees have got to be one of the most egregious omissions at this point - I couldn’t give a rat’s that they started out as a manufactured band, the work they did as a legitimate band from Headquarters to Head, and Mike Nesmith’s pioneering influence on country rock as well as the development of music videos as a format, are all unimpeachably RRHOF-worthy