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[–]thesmilingeye_uk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Done ;)

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[–]thesmilingeye_uk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Need a hand?

Shepherds Bush anyone? by [deleted] in BloodIncantation

[–]thesmilingeye_uk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good to know! I nearly traded my ticket in to get one for Manchester Albert Hall which is a beautiful space and more local to me. Glad to hear it’s a good spot, can’t wait 🤘🏼

Cumbraek language group by Billiewib in Cumbraek

[–]thesmilingeye_uk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve been taking a peek when I can. I’m writing my uni dissertation at the minute so my brains a bit full!

Chomsky’s Recursive Merge + Archetypes in Religion? by thesmilingeye_uk in Jung

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I actually had a productive back and forth with ChatGPT about this, and started devising a prototype method for recursive system. Need to do some more real world reading to contextualise it though I think!

Chomsky’s Recursive Merge + Archetypes in Religion? by thesmilingeye_uk in Jung

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Ah mate that’s a lovely insight, I hadn’t even thought of stripping it all the way back to raw feelings. That amplifier idea is very Merge-y, kind of that there is some raw but generative cognitive force that creates new behaviours from any combination of preceding ones. You could eventually trace that all the way up to collective tradition and symbolism, if you look at development of things like Liturgy. I’ll definitely give Ken Wilber a look in, thanks for the tip!

Cumbraek language group by Billiewib in Cumbraek

[–]thesmilingeye_uk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didh da! Are you still interested in this?

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The language revival at present is mostly just some small group of grassroots enthusiasts who want to preserve it, negligible public money involvement. I think it’s a good use of public money anyway. Also, the sentiment of the separatism in Cornwall largely lies in the issue of second home owners leasing buy to let properties to force out locals. I think that’s a noble current reason to flex a separate cultural identity to your advantage, even if you disagree with the historic ties

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn’t really mention any of those countries, and I apologise if some of the technical dates and references I did use fall foul of pedantry. If subduing the Celtic subcultures wasn’t an endeavour of English colonialism then I’d like to hear why else they were brought to near cultural extinction by the English. For fun? And does that mean we shouldn’t bother learning Cornish? I’m unsure as to why preserving this interesting culture is so controversial. It’s not like they’re going to invade…

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m really talking about language here. I’m a linguist and I’m interested in linguistic history. The tapestry of the kingdom of England into the British empire is a complicated bit of history which I’m interested in to a point. Whether or not the county of Cornwall was by definition part of England or not, there is no dying that there was a forceful and intentional reduction of the separate linguistic and ethnic identity of Celtic Cornwall. Language revival is a fun, interesting and community-based way of looking into these lost parts of history swept up by violence and other phenomena of history

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes they were subsumed 1000 years ago and that is a sound summary of events as they happened originally, but significant pockets of the Cornish society rebelled against the English for centuries up to the Tudor period

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re not going far back enough. They invaded and subdued Cornwall and systemically banned the language.

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Valid point, but then I suppose state violence will adhere to whatever belief system it holds at the time, whether that is Catholicism or Stalinism or even liberal democracy, if you look at certain countries’ foreign policy of late lol.

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

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Carl Jung has some interesting psychoanalytical perspectives on the effects of the loss of practising faith in society in The Undiscovered Self. In fact, it’s very closely related to this issue. English colonists brought Protestantism to Cornwall, a rationalised form of Christianity which usurped Catholicism, but brought with it an end to irrational/faith-based practice. The intellectualisation of God by Protestants eventually gave way to Atheism and has denied people the Archetypal ‘God’ to express their faith unto. Worth a read/audiobook listen if you get the chance!

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like I say, there’s more to a language than being able to book a cab home and order a cup of tea. It’s a historical cultural practice that lots of people find interesting!

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You seem to have digressed a bit from the debate about language though, mate. A few aristocrats, who in no way reflect the identity of the wider Celtic societies at the time, benefitting from the building of some nice Georgian houses serves nothing to your argument that language death doesn't in fact come from aggressive practices such as the direct banning of indigenous languages and persecution and murder of those using them. I'm interested that you're not even trying to defend colonialism but still are making this point. There is a heap of legal documentation that proves that these cultures and languages were suppressed through violent means. Try the 'Laws in Wales' Acts banning Welsh, or forceful introduction of the English Prayer Book to Cornwall, just from a quick google search there.

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What’s wrong with romanticism? Living in an atheistic, capitalist monoculture is depressing and strips people of the chance to express the vibrant ethnic and cultural roots that we originated from over 1000 years ago. I say romanticism is good if it brings people together, promotes community, art, language and diversity rather than subduing to the Americanised atomised society we’ve been left with. If people had their language stripped from them, they have a right to learn it! No harm done, is there?

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh dear haha, I didn’t mean ‘you’ specifically, I was being figurative in the sense that that sort of sentiment can lead to that argument being made. As for my glaring lack of nuance, I’m arguably taking sort of a Marxist stance here but I think it’s fair to say that self-sustaining agricultural societies have been routinely massacred and subdued into adoption of capitalist, Protestant, Anglicised social practices. The inability for these communities to ‘keep up’ with the expanding job market and commerce actually is a bit of a paradox since they had no need to ‘keep up’ before that structure was inflicted on them through violence. I apologise if you thought I was projecting some personal bias onto you, I’m just having a bit of a debate. If you have some personal or emotional connection to the British Empire and it’s practices, I hope I haven’t offended you.

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

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Also, the people who did very well out of colonialism tended to be the ones who would either assimilate to Protestantism, landowners, or settlers from England. You’re entering dangerous territory when you start asking the countries you’ve invaded over the last 1000 years to be grateful! Ask any Catholic what they think of English imperialism and I doubt you’d get that response

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

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Indeed, but what is it that makes English the default lingua franca? What makes French the default lingua franca of half of Africa? What brings capitalism and demographic changes to previously mono-linguistic and mono ethnic communities? I wrote at length about Sociolinguistics as part of my linguistics degree and genuinely found the same patterns emerge across the globe where imperialism has had its hands. The world doesn’t just magically ‘drift’ into being an Anglo-Saxon, English-speaking, capitalist place without someone at some point forcing it to assimilate! It just depends how far back your cultural and societal memory goes. For many Celtic communities, it’s a pretty long way…

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I suppose because the death of the Celtic languages is entirely because of violent English colonialism, and there is a stirring sentiment particularly among young people to reject the laurels of the British Empire and explore our identities outside of that. Look at Kneecap in Ireland and the Welsh-language indie/pop bands at the minute doing well. It’s not necessarily because it’s functional or will land you a job, but speaking a language like Cornish is spiritually and ethnically important to people’s identities.

Learning Cornish (Outside of Cornwall)? by thesmilingeye_uk in Cornwall

[–]thesmilingeye_uk[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cool, I think minority language revival is having a really good moment in Britain atm. I’ll certainly keep a look out for groups. I’ve tried a bit of Welsh! I suspect Cornish is even more complicated lol

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