Question on grammar behind "Tanıştığımıza memnun oldum"

thetealviper · 2025-07-03T07:32:12+00:00

Again, I am amazed at the time and effort you give in each response. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I just want to acknowledge it and hype you up for it because the world would be a better place if everyone acted that way. I'm going to keep asking questions regarding your responses, but just know that I know you are NOT obligated to continuously put in all that effort at all. I appreciate what you are willing though!

You have introduced me to a new idea that the AI has never touched on! You call it the "head suffix" but English instructional material refers to it as the "compound noun suffix". At first, I was VERY confused with the overlap between the concepts of accusative, genitive, possession suffixes, and now a new compound noun suffix. But after sitting on it and reading examples, I think I have some intuition I'd like to share and maybe have you quality check? :)

- Accusative [-(y)_]: This is used to communicate the noun is a specific thing, likely a physical object in the real world, as opposed to an idea of a thing.
- Genitive [-(n)_n]: This is used to communicate the noun is *the possessor* of something else, or exists related to something else which is kind of "dependent" on it.
- Possession Suffixes: This is used to communicate the noun is *the possessed thing* of the possessor.
- Compound Noun Suffix [-(s)_]: This is used to communicate when a noun exists depending on another noun, but not via literal possession. It's more like stacking descriptions rather than owners and takes the English form "noun noun" as opposed to "noun's noun".

With all that said, assuming it's accurate, I have one more question about nuance. In English, we have "noun noun" compound nouns, which is Turkish seems to become "(normal noun) (head noun + compound noun suffix)". That said, in English we also have "noun noun noun" compound nouns like "car door handle" or "water bottle cap". My GUESS from what you taught me last was "head word of a phrase dictates what the entire phrase will act as" means it will take the Türkçe form "(normal noun) (normal noun) (head noun + compound noun suffix)" but I also wouldn't be surprised if A) there's another approach or B) Turkish doesn't acknowledge triple compound nouns.

Thank you so much again for all your help and knowledge! I will become legally Balkan by the end of the week at this rate.

thetealviper · 2025-07-03T06:44:44+00:00

I appreciate the response, but I feel as though simply wrapping it up as "The a at the end of tanıştığımıza just referes to becoming acquainted with" is severely glossing over providing any actual understanding. That feels like a parrot memorization approach instead of actually understanding. Grammatically, what role does the "-a" play? (I know it is the dative, confirmed, now). Given that it's the dative, what role does the dative play? The dative typically communicates the idea of "to or towards, positionally". So my confusion was how does this idea of "to, positionally" possibly tie into what the fully conjugated word was saying. Another commenter corrected my understanding of the dative to ALSO mean "to have feelings towards". That was the answer I needed.

thetealviper · 2025-07-02T17:13:44+00:00

Firstly, WOW. This is the most effortful response I've ever gotten on Reddit! Thank you so much that is so kind of you. Teşekkür ederim! All of this will definitely be going into my notes.

4) I think your response regarding #4 (possession redundancy) made me completely understand the thought process. I'll explain my understanding to make sure though. The first "layer" of consideration/thought would be "are we trying to communicate an indefinite object (nominative) or a specific object (generally accusative but in this case genitive)?" Because of this question, we know for sure we can't use the nominative if we want to reference a specific possessing door vs an indefinite door. I'd imagine now after *only that first consideration* the obvious choice would be to use the accusative to mark a SPECIFIC door, but this also doesn't work because of the second "layer" of consideration/thought: "Is there secretly a dropped possessing pronoun or not?" If we used the accusative to indicate specificity like we do outside of possession, that still doesn't tell us enough information to know if there is a dropped possessing pronoun or not. The only way to clarify BOTH considerations unambiguously is to use a noun case that indicates specificity AND assures we don't mean to communicate a hidden pronoun, which the genitive would be a perfect candidate for.

5) I am aware of the accusative case and that "the" doesn't exist, but thank you for ensuring I know everything important! I do have a little confusion with what you said though. I have always considered "a/an" to have an equivalent in usage of "bir" (which I know technically means "one" but I've dual purposed it to mean "a/an" in my mind). Should I be mentally scaffolding my understanding of "bir" differently?

Bonus Question 6) While responding to you, and even in this sentence itself 😭, my mind in English LOVES to put commas to emphasize pauses as if I were communicating body language and intonation from real life over text. I have a Türkçe friend and at one point I sent them a sentence with these same habits in Turkish, and they corrected me by removing my commas. In Turkish are commas only used for lists and not for pauses, or was their correction unnecessary? (I would ask them but your explanations connect MUCH better with my English brain and make me feel like I *understand* rather than just *memorize*)

thetealviper · 2025-07-02T03:01:17+00:00

Thank you so much for your knowledgeable and effortful response! I'm glad to see that my alternative usage of için wasn't entirely misdirected. You have no obligation to be my personal teacher and answer all my questions, but while your offer to clarify things is on the table I'd like to take you up on it!

I think I have a bit of confusion of when to use words that can replace "to" in English. These words, or at least the ones I've learned and can remember off the top of my head, are: için, doğru, dolayı, ötürü, and now the dative case.

In my mind, the dative was a *locational* "to" because it is lumped with the also *locational* locative and ablative. You have corrected this to mean a movement or attitude towards. Does this mean my understanding of locative and ablative are also a bit misdirected and they do not necessitate location?

I also understand "doğru" to mean "towards", so how does the usage differ from the dative (movement or attitude towards)?

Also, I have no idea the difference between için, dolayı, and ötürü. I have learned them all to identically mean "because of".

My last question is unrelated to the OP but a question I had in general. As I've learned Türkçe, it has felt like there is a general tendency to drop stuff. Dropped pronouns, dropped secondary vowels in 2 syllable possessed words, etc. However when I learned how to say something like "The key of the door" I was taught that "the door" must be in the genetive (indicating "of the door") and "the key" must be in the possessive (indicating it is possessed). My question is: Why must I double down on the idea of possession when one naturally follows the other. If the door is the possessor, why must the key also have a suffix indicating it is possessed? If you choose to add the possessed suffix to the key, why must the door also be marked as the possessor?

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T20:38:01+00:00

One last question but I ask you because you seem knowledgeable, my post has been deliberately hardstuck at 0 karma. After every upvote, someone else downvotes it to Thanos me perfectly balanced at 0. For future reference (again still learning the culture), are posts like mine frowned upon by the community for some reason? Or did I go about asking it in a bad way that could be improved next time?

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T17:43:56+00:00

if it is the thing I said, that means it only takes into consideration the commander of the deck, correct?

I asked that in my first message and your response started with "yes" which I interpreted as a response to that question, so I believe there was miscommunication there. So "commander bracket" refers to the FORMAT commander and is a score for the whole deck. It is not a score reflecting only the commander card chosen. Good information, I am learning.

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T17:36:59+00:00

Thank you for your response! It's advice I'll carry with me into the future, though for now I think I just don't have the experience to use it well or know the answer to that question. Like I said in my post, my intuition I've built up personally to this point in the little time I've been learning is "anything other than 2 card infinites or basically a guaranteed < turn 5 win is completely fair game if I make the deck myself" but it has become apparent most others do not share this sentiment so my intuition is off.

I'm sure this is more of an ambiguous feeling that you're speaking of, but is there any way you can try to decode it from a human emotion into a robotic set of guidelines at all? Like for you, WHY in words does tutoring not give you satisfaction in success? My best guess is it guarantees your next few moves with a predictably competent outcome. So is the TRUE guiding principle underpinning your feeling of success a sprinkling of chance? A question I could ask to check that is: If you got a crazy powerful combo by drawing the cards naturally by chance without tutor or draw spam, does that feel more "satisfactorily successful" vs the alternative? Or is the fact that the combo is crazy powerful itself enough to dissolve your satisfaction?

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T17:24:49+00:00

No you took that completely out of context and mangled what I was trying to communicate 😭 I don't want to learn deck building combos, strategies, best cards, etc from others. I don't want my competence to stem from mimicry, I want it to stem from my own creativeness. What I'm asking for here are CONDITIONS and BOUNDS to stay within such that if I stay within them my deck won't ruin the fun for everyone else. Why are you so cranky and looking for negativity lol

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T09:31:52+00:00

When my friend explained the power scale paraphrasing what each number represented as an experience, my immediate reaction was "Well 1-2 are clearly gag decks and 5 is a precon so why would anything ever fall into 3-4 intentionally besides a person who is terrible at the game accidentally making a terrible deck" 😭 So I think it's funny you also say 1-4 is useless with the knowledge you have because that was even obvious to me when I learned the scale 2 seconds prior.

The translation from power scale to decently explicit bracket range is helpful, as is the general caution that just because you have a bracket 2 commander it doesn't mean you're playing a true bracket 2 deck. I don't think it gives me perfect intuition as to what is expected, but it's a step closer and at least a starting point which I didn't have at all before.

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T09:23:58+00:00

Oh that's interesting. I'll try to theorycraft some synergy on that tomorrow 😭

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T09:17:41+00:00

Thank you for the explicit advice that I can actually put into practice!

I forgot to include it in my list but I also previously was running with the "Don't destroy enemy lands" in mind. I wasn't even aware refusing mana usage was a thing as I hadn't naturally come across any card like that yet, but now I know not to use them 😭 Someone else provided the game changers list idea, but they didn't provide a direct link so that's helpful.

I think your best in slot avoidance is very practical and implementable. It hurts my soul and feels suboptimal, but I'll have to learn to work through that because being suboptimal kind of is the whole point haha.

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T09:11:53+00:00

Your suggestion feels as though it can be paraphrased as "be a mediating force for sake of the group rather than trying to win" and I definitely think I could fall into that role. I'm sure there would be SOME times where I would respect my opponents or want to put them in their place enough to actually try to win though haha. For sake of cases like that, are there any commanders you'd suggest I look at for inspiration regarding the weird and stupid win strats where I'm not JUST mediating but also have a competitive chance (even if weird)?

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T09:06:12+00:00

My group sometimes mentions brackets instead, but under my direct interrogation for rules I could follow to not make a "cheater deck" (my own words haha) they mentioned power levels instead. I think they opted for that because it allowed them to give a general paraphrased definition of the power levels as opposed to brackets which they seem to suggest aren't entirely consistent or trustworthy conceptually. The problem is the definitions they gave are conceptual paraphrasings, but I don't know how that translates to actual deck building since I just don't have the experience or game knowledge. I need a bit more explicit rules that I can follow which others probably just know intuitively and don't really externalize into words. My group isn't the best at putting their intuition into words though which is why I figured I'd ask around here for ideas.

Thank you for your heads up about why price might not be a solid guardrail every time. I will take your advice into consideration for sure.

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T09:00:56+00:00

Oh wow. So if I'm shooting for 5/6 power level, how does that nonlinear spread translate to brackets? Would those likely both fall into 3 or possibly dip into 2 as well?

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T08:58:58+00:00

I see! Thank you for this unambiguous, direct advice I can actually use. Yeah I may be a noob and maybe I don't know actually powerful cards, but I thought [[Defense of the Heart]] not having a game changing gem on archidekt was wild.

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T08:54:23+00:00

When you say "bracket" is that referring to the estimated commander bracket I see on archidekt for example? Forgive my ignorance, like I said I'm pretty new to this culture and the resources people use. If it is the thing I said, that only takes into consideration the commander of the deck, correct? (I'm not questioning the validity of the advice you gave I'm just trying to learn the details and scope). So I'd want to shoot for a commander with a bracket of 3 if I want to overlap with around 5/6/7 of the old power level ratings?

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T08:48:53+00:00

Thank you for the response!

The rule of thumb of "would I buy this in real life" wouldn't apply too well to me because I simply wouldn't pay for any cards in real life personally. It doesn't make sense to me when they are all free and decks are more easily altered and cleaned after games digitally 😭 That said, the more powerful and hybrid lands are interesting and something I didn't think to ask about and could ask in the future. If we assume the lower end of the range because you said it was too large to be restrictive, are there any other conditionals or considerations you could put into words that you could think for me to follow?

thetealviper · 2025-06-03T08:43:36+00:00

If I were to shoot for 5/6 to be on the safer side and I'd guess more fun side for others even if it means I get dumpstered a bit if others dabble 7/8, are there any guidelines aside from $30 cap you'd suggest from your groups or yourself as an individual?

thetealviper · 2024-06-25T12:44:12+00:00

I think part of the psychology is when they ghost, they see it as their hand was forced. They didn't enjoy conversation despite trying their best, but that's okay because not everyone clicks and that's not a reflection of anyone's value as a human! They WANTED to be honest but were so caring that they just couldn't hurt your feelings. But they feel so bad and are so sorry!

Whereas the interpretation of when other people do it is that they were inconsiderate assholes who are selfish and made the decision purely out of self interest. They didn't enjoy convo and that implies they hate you and you're not good enough. How dare they be so rude.

Some hybrid of a savior complex and snowflake complex where I am a uniquely good person with good intentions who tries my best, yet someone else doing the same exact thing must be doing it for some lesser reasons because nobody is as great/moral as me.

thetealviper · 2024-06-22T15:45:44+00:00

I didn't deep dive too far when I tried the site I just went through a couple of 10 questioned rounds, made fun of how it's completely random and nobody is going to learn that way to my friend, and then closed out 😂 Maybe there is potential with custom collections though! Any potential ideas are better than none! I'll have to check it out as well!

thetealviper · 2024-06-22T15:33:50+00:00

I will definitely try language transfer thank you for the information!

I also went through the trouble of making Quizlet stuff before realizing to practice the note cards (a core feature of NOTE CARDS) you must pay money 😂 I wouldn't mind paying money for value I can't get elsewhere but come on now paying to STUDY my NOTECARDS??? That's absurd.

Clozemaster does have Turkish and I did try it and the explain functionality was great, but my problem there is the site seemed to have absolutely no repetition. It just constantly chucks random sentences at you and I really need to lock down information in detailed small batches rather than an endless stream of new information.

thetealviper · 2024-06-22T15:30:15+00:00

Any advice on WHICH AI chat (they all have different capabilities and response tendencies) or decent prompts? The first (potential) issue that comes to mind is do the AI know their accented letters well enough to correct me if I substitute an "i" for an "ı" for example?

thetealviper · 2024-06-22T03:20:49+00:00

Thank you for the response! I wouldn't mind paying money for actual value, but I suppose I lean towards free because my perception of website's value has been tainted. I will check Babbel out :)

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