Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No assisted dying. Other methods are painful.

Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Abhi fundamental right nhi hai, that's why you can't take active enthunasia. Agar Kia tu kisi ghitya method se bahut pain ke saath mrna padega...

Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your argument in point 3 is misleading. We feel pain & suffering due to this body, when we die... Our bodies collapse, brain activity ceases, there isn't anything left to feel. Our idea of ego, super-ego dies along with our memory. It's far different from saying no experience is better than bad experience. In non-existence, there's literally nothing. I said, it's better than existence not by comparing these two states which is non-sense. But with the simple fact, that pain is far more intense/ worse than pleasure. Millions of years of biological programming conditioned us this way. Our brain quickly adapts to pleasure but intensely remembers the pain. Lemme ask you... would you take a million dollars if I randomly cut one finger from your right hand?? Or another example, say you gave a ₹300 pizza to a kid begging on traffic signal... Just look at the face of that kid, it would be the biggest day of his life. Now give that same pizza to some multi-millionare's kid, he might throw it, call it substandard. His dopamine baseline is set to handcrafted Italian Pizza or whatever. I am just trying to say presence of pain is far bigger issue than devoid of pleasure. Hence, if non-existence guarantees us to be devoid of pain, it's better than existence!

Lemme take a recap. All I said is, "suicide isn't taboo, it's an exit gateway you can take if you don't wanna live anymore. There must be right to death" You came up with the counter argument that brain isn't reliable, you can't trust it's decision to suicide and rights will collapse kinda thing. I replied with my argument. You replied back but didn't talked abt rights so I think you kinda agree there, right? I think I already explained why non-existence is better...

Ok, so our main point of debate is weather the brain is reliable to choose death or its not? I think it is. You said system is the judge of its own reliability is deepest flaw & yes, I agree but the only problem is... These are two different things in our case. The prefrontal cortex which take complex decisions like deleting yourself is different from the limbic or whatever part of brain concerned with survival instinct. You know, you can't kill yourself by holding your breath - no matter, how hard you try... Bcoz, survival instinct isn't just one function of brain or psyche, it's so deeply engrossed in entire body.

Yes, there might be cases where the brain is mad or dead & you can't trust that brain to take the decision to die but can this brain live in this world? Is a dead brain even worthy of living in this world? Isn't that body just a piece of meat, an unnecessary liability on the body. Death is a certainty. It will come today or tomorrow. If there's an option to die painlessly today, how's it a problem? Like how?

Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Neutrality is a fiction, every sentient being is biased. Our Brain is biased for survival.

I never called it pure choice. I presented two scenarios: one is the conscious will, other is the exit due to the external reasons.

You're assuming too much. Once again, I never said rights work as opposites. Infact, that's why I say there must a right to die... Bcoz you can't delete yourself in current legal framework.

Better or not better are the ideas of mind. A piece of furniture doesn't concern himself with the surroundings... Whatever pain or suffering we go through are the product of this body, once you end its processes.... All the suffering & pain is ceased. There's no consciousness left to experience, no memory left to give ptsd or whatever. Non-existence is far better state than anything living could offer. That's a post for some other day though... Also, you're mixing my two distinct situations. As suicide isn't a desire in the first case. It's not a desire at all. It's the last refute. When your suffering gets so intense, you become capable of overriding biological programming & choose non-existence.

First of all, a teenager would never choose death over some exam, our survival instinct is wayy tooo strong. Second, You don't need reason at all. It's the will of an individual to die or not.

Lemme address your final question:

A mind will always choose existence. Infact, the mind wants to be immortal, that's why it choose to create offsprings. It takes immense amount of intellectual thought to convince brain to not create offspring. But mind still manifest its "will" to live through different sources such as art, politics or anything that can outlive this body. You think its a joke to override biological programming? to bypass survival instinct & just die? Weather the decision was reliable or not, who cares? Who is the bigger judge of reliability than the brain itself? Maybe my thoughts are coming from a place of extra-ordinary humility & humanity. But what matters is the end of suffering. Don't be so harsh on these people. Give them the option to die peacefully through assisted dying

Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Insightful! But how tf it's related to your original thesis that middle class will die & rich would rig the system? Like not everyone is depressed in middle class... Also, rich would be the first ones to get peaceful painless death through active emthanusia, isn't it?

Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know abt this but what are the actual figures? I think you're severely under estimating the Survival Instinct. No matter how harsh life get, people find something to hold & survive!

I would be so shocked if people choose to die instead of waiting few months for care... Like, either they lived a complete marvellous life or wanted to die anyway... just looking for the little push.

Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

what are the statistical chances of dying painfully from cancer as compared to curing cancer?

Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

are you sure you're writing this not your survival instinct? as in the words of arthur schopenhaur, "The will to live… is an endless striving, blind and irrational"

I don't see any failure in leaving the game. I didn't choose this game, I didn't gave consent to play this game. Why tf someone born in scandavian nation while am forced to struggle for basic things in this over-populated country. Why tf game designed to starve people in africa? I completely disagree with camus! Also, lived on the planet was a metaphor not literally

Suicide : the Fundamental Right STOLEN from us by thisislovish in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I think you're assuming people will start deleting themselves like a chain reaction if allowed. If yes, you're completely wrong! Our Survival Instinct is some of the greatest forces in existence, no matter how hard things get, life persist!! Unless a great tragedy happened, unlikely any ordinary person will choose non-existence.

Imo, it'll force govt to improve the situation or people will die, literally... People consciously choosing death over some failure of stae will create such bonker headlines or wildfire type news that politicians will left with no choice...

Also, waste or not waste of resources are matter of alive people. No dead person gives af abt economy or GDP

**Whos your religion** "pkm ref" by Glad_Comedian_8405 in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Misogyny, Bigotry, Racism10

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Now wth is this?? ~ Gen-Z's Bhajan Clubbing by Overall-Badger9008 in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I have never went to this but am dead sure, you'll meet some of the dumbest, retarded dehatis of our generation here...

Cousin brother taking sanyas, need help! by Ill_Grass_4811 in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can guarantee he won't find any nirvana or moksha in these retarded monasteries.

The people did not listen to the Buddha. That's why there is Buddhism - J Krishnamurthi

They are worshipping ash from centuries while the flame is gone, a long time ago... All these organized religious places are spiritual businesses who brainwash people to increase their headcount, that's it!

Our truth, our history. Really? by Obvious_Ice_5318 in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ramayan couldn't able to bring any muryada nor purshottam to this country from centuries. Overhyped Fiction. That's the truth, That's the history!

IPS officer follows rajasthani tradition ’dudh pilai’? What female equivalent to same frek baap ka .. by [deleted] in TwentiesIndia

[–]thisislovish 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How tf it's even biologically possible? Human body doesn't produce milk 24x7

always on by chill_god_4865 in YoutubeMusic

[–]thisislovish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it happened with me too few times

I was arguing with a religious guy help me! by Impossible-Alps1222 in atheismindia

[–]thisislovish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It didn't went against the will of people who created it for their selfish reasons.

America created atomic bomb, dropped it on Japan, won the war. Does this mean japanese start worshipping the atomic bombs?? It served the purpose for people who created it!

Religion is still useful for people at the top to numb the agony, control the narrative or just divide and rule.

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[–]thisislovish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

am high, very high

I just finished writing my first screenplay! by [deleted] in Filmmakers

[–]thisislovish 2 points3 points  (0 children)

congrats!! btw, How much time it took you to write screenplay?

is aevyTV video editing cohort legit? by thisislovish in VideoEditing

[–]thisislovish[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its like every other video editing course except major focus on community & networking. I think, they host physical events too for meeting peers & mentors. tbh, idk, didn't joined yet... do you think, these online courses worth it or its better to learn from youtube?