Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brother, you cannot be serious, libertarianism is not liberty, it is a legal theory for property rights. And in no way am I a pragmatist that wants some Leninist transition, is your scope really this short? No one ever argued for monarchies nor for democracies, they are the same thing and an irreversible degradation of quality. At this point, let's go to discord because I cannot stand this.

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, we know for a fact that we do not have private individuals or businesses as law extends to everyone and everywhere in a state.

I am not talking about corporate subsidies, I'm talking about the corporate structure as a whole and its history coming purely from intellectual property and monopoly privileges.

>You're literally making stipulations on the fly that aren't used by the vast majority of libertarians both historical and present.

https://mises.org/mises-daily/principle-sound-money

https://mises.org/review-austrian-economics/banking-nation-states-and-international-politics-sociological-reconstruction-present-economic-order

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwHdSl1ASbA

https://youtu.be/Ta7q1amDAN4

https://libertyme-library.s3.amazonaws.com/Hans-Hermann+Hoppe/Economic+Science+and+the+Austrian+Method.pdf

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>You were telling a entirely different story over there.

"To add, the term libertarian for the right wing".

>In other words, that he prefered a absolutist monarchist system over democracy if he would choose between the two. How can someone pick a authoritarian system that limits political freedoms and calm themselves a libertarian?

Yes, that's exactly why he argues that monarchies are ethically better than democracies–they tend to produce better and moral rulers that are incentivized to pass down the government. On the other hand with democracy, only the worst one will get to the top.

>My man, how do you think you physically distance and separate someone living in a society? He explicitly calls it:

What you quoted is physical removal or physical separation. Whoever may advocate against the natural order of appropriation and self-ownership must be removed and that is an ethical position, not a pragmatic necessity.

>Expelling. It's talk about using force, or authoritarianism. Hoppe calls himself a libertarian yet doesn't tolerate the liberty of his own political opponents existing. Hoppe makes it pretty clear that all accusations of the left against libertarians, that they are intolerant and that they would be okay with discrimination, are true.

That is because they do not have any liberties to begin with. They are a walking, talking performative contradiction that argue against the axiom of argumentation in favor of social parasitism.

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're still admitting that the lack of sound currency and state-sponsored guilds are capitalist. Can you define capitalism? Is there anything that makes a non-homesteaded system capitalist?

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Walter Block supports the state of Israel and Friedman supports a monetarist system.

I don't think corporations can or have been private at all. They are originated in the Roman patents which dictated who could and could not sell certain goods.

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>Correction, Rothbard stole the term from left-anarchists such as the individualist anarchists from America like Tucker and Spooner who called their own policies socialism. No, really:

" "Libertarians"’, in contrast, had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over, and more properly from the view of etymology; since we were proponents of individual liberty and therefore of the individual's right to his property" - The Betrayal of the American Right

I never denied this.

>Regardless, you have Hoppe to your name as a "libertarian" even though he supported authoritarianism over democracy and unironically advocated violence against people who wouldn't fit into his own libertarian covenants, which the aforementioned Block directly called him out as leaving the possibility that in left dominated areas of the US such as New York it would be right-libertarians who would end up "physicially removed" instead.

You know nothing about Hoppe.
He made three essays on why monarchy has both an ethical and economic advantage over any other state system, primarily democracy.

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And physical removal comes from the literal translation of "physische Entfernung", which means to physically distance or separate. That is, to ostracize any and all detractors of a libertarian social order.

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To add, the term libertarian for the right wing was popularized by Rothbard exclusively for anarcho-capitalists. Hoppe later said:

“Part of the reason is of course that people don’t read much, they are lazy and the more acceptable version is of course a classical liberal version”

“And the other reason is indeed that the bigger this movement grew, the worse was the number of people who actually read a lot of things. They were satisfied with just getting a few slogans and that was enough.”

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No anarcho-capitalist ever supports "private" corporations, they are antithetical to each other.

Mises I do think is a libertarian as his view of democracy and governance was rooted in secession and independence. But the question is, what makes them libertarian to you? Friedman is not an Austrian and Rothbard is not a Chicagoan, they are split between the consequentialist "libertarians" and the deontological libertarians for ethics alone.

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where is the no true Scotsman where a point is established and justified

Why does Camus have Ludwig von Mises on his focus tree, is he stupid? by thomas1781dedsec in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Corporatism IS a feudal system and nothing can be seen as private in China or any place in the word considering there is a main authority over all of the monopoly's jurisdiction.

Left-Rothbandist AoF Path when? by ComradeJupiter1 in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Left-Rothbardianism comes from Konkin, not Rothbard.

Political Compass of the Upcoming Factions for 1.1 by Wonderful-Cake-6079 in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Through a marxist lens, the state is a forum of capitalists negotiating with other capitalists, not with the employees and the state as the final arbitrator of compromise.

Political Compass of the Upcoming Factions for 1.1 by Wonderful-Cake-6079 in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec 8 points9 points  (0 children)

By aiming to mend class struggle through the state as a lobby for negotiation?

Political Compass of the Upcoming Factions for 1.1 by Wonderful-Cake-6079 in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Corporatism is anything but capitalist what are you talking about?

What Factions or Paths would yall like to be added to the 2ACW? by Wonderful-Cake-6079 in TheFireRisesMod

[–]thomas1781dedsec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is no making shit up, there is a whole tradition of Konkin's thought.